I just signed up for the starter course and purchased the Sept 2017 test. I am still navigating everything so I was hoping someone can direct to where I can find the test I just purchased so I can print it out. Thank you!

I’ve have taken Kaplan’s online course and Testmasters. I honestly need human interaction with someone who gets logic reasoning and the reading comprehension. I’m on OSU main campus and want to know if there is a study group?

So, I'm currently completing the sufficient assumption section of the CC, and I have a question about diagramming. When I'm currently doing the practice problems and problem sets, I find that I am most successful (95% and (1min) with these questions when I simply focus on the passage and be clear in my mind where the gap is in the argument, without drawing any diagrams, and then move onto the choices.(/p)

From those who have completed a strong number of PTs, is this setting myself up for failure when I encounter more difficult or more "unusual" questions of this type on tests? I did spend quite chunk of time working through the logic sections of the CC, so I know I am working through some of proper process in my head...but, should I be concerned about my head failing me for some of the more taxing/complex questions?

As always, any thoughts are appreciated!

Hi everyone,

looking for advice on whether or not to write an addendum. I cancelled in Oct. 2015, got a 159 in Dec 2015, cancelled in Sept. 2017 and finally got a 167 in Dec. 2017. Should I address my score increase, cancellations, both or neither? I don't have a good reason for the cancellations besides extreme anxiety during the exams, and I don't want to make myself seem like I wouldn't be able to handle law school exams or the bar exam. But on the other hand, I feel like I can't not address the cancellations.

Anyone have any suggestions??

Thank you!

I'm planning on visiting Georgetown next week. There is no tour/info session so I can only take a self-guided tour. Has anyone ever done a self-guided tour? Is it still a valuable way to learn about a school?

Alright guys, it's crunch time for me and HYS. I've been furiously reworking, editing, and tuning my PS for the big boys, and I think it's ready! The only thing preventing me from submitting my apps is whether or not to submit a GPA/LSAT addendum, and ewhich will help my cause more.

Background: 3.56 GPA from a highly-rated private college in Mechanical engineering, a very tough program where I was in the top 10 percent, but unfortunately my school does not keep records of class rankings, so I can't prove that :( I also had a very rough first semester (2.7) and very steady improvement for the next three years

I took the LSAT 3 times as some of you know, June '17: 170; Sept '17: 170; Dec '17: 176. I know Yale for sure is going to discredit my 176 slightly because of it being my third attempt, probably S and H slightly or not at all. I didn't have a meltdown or issues on first two takes, just improved gradually over months of study and my 10000 hours came thru in Dec, but I did score regularly in 175-178 range since June, so it was by no means a fluke.

Softs: nothing that will help my case. 2 years of WE in an unrelated field, a little volunteering

My question is if it could possibly do any harm to submit an addenda if it is well-founded and well-written, which I feel both are (I have written a separate addendum for each situation). I am worried that my GPA is prohibitively low, especially for Yale if they give any weight to my multiple LSATs. If I went to UofM and majored in anything other than astrophysics I'd have a 3.9 minimum, but can I convince admins?

I'm thinking the GPA addendum would be stronger and probably addresses a more apparent red-flag in my apps. Validation? Opinions? Advice? A Time machine??

Hey guys,

I'm wondering if I should write a GPA addendum for UT. They're kinda a long shot (below 25th LSAT). Their application says to explain if your academic performance for one or more semesters was markedly different from that of other semesters.

The thing is I don't have a valid excuse other than it was my first year of college and I took all my hard sciences and maths that year.

I ended up with a 2.81 that year but graduated with a 3.79. I don't know how it would look if I don't have a good reason.

Would it hurt to write one?

Hi! Know it's already a little late in the game but hoping I could get some opinions on my PS & DS, any comments/suggestions at all would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!!

Lately, I have been considering writing an addendum showing an explicit history of standardized test results accompanying a strong academic performance but I need help in deciding if this applies to me.

I grew up in Nicaragua and thus, I was not exposed to standardized testing until I was 11 years old. It's not part of my education foundation. In High School, I took the SAT a total of three times.

The maximum score for each section is 800 points:

Using the 2011 scale, I first scored 500 writing, 610 math, 560 critical reading meaning I scored in the 55th, 78th and 71st percentile respectively.

Next, I scored 530 writing, 550 math, 610 critical reading meaning I scored in the 64th, 62nd and 83rd percentiles respectively.

Lastly, I scored 490 writing, 550 math, 610 critical reading meaning I scored in the 51st, 62nd and 82nd percentile respectively.

The total score for each test put me around the 70th percentile. Meanwhile, I was performing very well academically. I never failed any of the 10 AP exams I took, which to me felt different from tests like the SAT because they were graded on what we directly learned in the classroom. I scored a 5 on the AP Calculus exam and yet I could not score anything higher than a 610 on the math section of the SAT. I received a 4 in AP English Language and Comp but could not score higher than a 530 on the SAT writing section. I had As in almost all of my classes.

When I got to college my SAT scores did not accurately predict my success. I graduated in 4 years with 2 different bachelor's degree. 150 credit hours instead of the normal 120. I had two majors and two minors. My final GPA was 3.967 on a 4.0 scale. I also conducted independent research, which I presented at a research conference at Harvard. BUT, I scored a 160 on the LSAT. I took it once because the other two times I had planned to take it, I had to cancel my registration ahead of time because of the Hurricane in Florida and for being sick.

Thus, I am asking for help in deciding if I should write an Addendum. I really do not want to make an excuse for my LSAT score so I only want to write it if doing so is acceptable for my situation.

I know most thoughts are to use the most recent tests for PT's. But why is this? I know they got rid of the question type where you read a passage and answer two questions (LR), added a comparative RC passage, and have more if a rule changed/is added at the end of LG games, but this seems like a 5% difference. Is there any other compelling reason? I almost feel like since most people (including myself) will focus on the most recent tests, LSAC might use older tests to "recycle" for newer tests. Any thoughts?

Hello, I have been studying for about 3 weeks now, and in both the reading comp and the LG I average in the 20s correct. My problem is the Logical Reasoning, which is literally half the test i average 16-18 correct when I take it. My goal is to get at least a 168 on this test, so my LR needs to be in the 20's per section. I am half way through the LR bible from powerscore and also doing the 7 sage course. Any suggestions how i can increase my LR to getting it into the 20s? Please help!! Thank you very much! I have been studying more than 9 hours a day!!!

Hi everyone,

I have a quick question: does if A then B otherwise not B translate into a biconditional? Thanks!

Hello all!

Just joined 7Sage and I'm happy to see that everyone is so positive and supportive! I'm graduating this June from UC Irvine and planning to test this September or November. I'm aiming to apply next cycle. Looking forward to studying and learning from y'all! Happy New Year and congrats to everyone who got into law school this cycle!

I am generally getting PT scores of 171~173. I really want to get a 175+ but I have no idea how I can get another 4~5 more questions right. Looking at what other people say, it seems like it might be up to sheer luck or being a super genius from the start. Should I just stop getting so stressed out and hope for good luck? Or does anyone have any suggestions on how to improve my score?

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Hi there!

I recently attended the group interview for Georgetown in Miami and wanted to share my experience to help others know what to expect.

It was not a conventional group interview with the usual questions, and there is little you can do to prepare. The format take an hour and is like this: you will be split up into groups of three or four and you will role play as an admissions committee for GULC. He will give you a handout with descriptions of different application scenarios (all of which have ambiguous and difficult to resolve conflicts) and he will ask you to either talk as a group or will ask direct questions about a certain interpretation of the facts, and then he gives his actual interpretation and how he decided on the application.

I would recommend that during the group conversation portions that you be more vocal and make sure that you make your voice heard, but not annoying, because it is easy to be lost in the conversation.

There were four scenarios but we only got to three: one was about a student who got put on academic probation for plagarism but slightly misrepresented the situation (he considered this a huge character issue), someone else who didn't fully disclose information after being accused of plagiarism and withdrawing from a graduate program (also a huge issue), and someone who made typos and mention to another school in their personal statement (also huge issue).

The purpose of the interview is to see how well you can articulate your position and support it with evidence. Apparently Dean Cornblatt favors applicants who can get to the point of their argument quickly.

Make sure to prepare one fun fact about yourself, as he'll ask everyone in the room to share something at the beginning.

Best of luck!

I was curious if any of you high scorers out there usually do a quick LR/RC/LG warm-up before taking a PT.

I think warm-ups are a good idea if you're still a little shaky on some of your fundamentals, but after a certain point of expertise I feel like warm-ups can do more harm than good in the form of psyching yourself out the morning of (in case you get answers wrong) and draining mental energy. Thoughts?

Question -

If I am consistently getting stuck on two questions in a game, do I just keep re-doing the game? I’m really struggling with in/out games... I get the rules and logic, but it’s the inferences that I’m struggling with. I know the response is to fool proof and go back to fundamentals if I need to....but I’ve done this question 10+ times, and ALWAYS get stuck on the last two questions. For whatever reason, these inferences wont stick. It’s game 3 from PT 11...a 2 star question, but question 18 and 19 get me every time.

Any tips on remembering tricky inferences?

For all of you mortified at the thought of delaying a cycle because you're nearing your social security collection, go out and ask a friend what the business school average age is. You're welcome.

Hey gang.

I'm trying to set a baseline for myself and there seems to be A LOT of knowledge here so I feel like I can get some good feedback.

I'm attempting the LSAT for the third time at 29 (the last two times I took it was straight out of undergrad at 22 and then again 2 years ago). Both times, I went in completely unprepared and paid the price for it, scoring the in the mid to high 140's both times. As has been the case since I was young, I'm an excellent student and average standardized test taker. I know I'll have to put in a lot of hard work but I feel confident I can get into the 160's.

My undergrad GPA was a 3.76, which seems fairly competitive for some of the schools stats I've looked at. My main question...what is a realistic score to start seeing scholarship money. I have literally no interest in going to law school by taking out more loans. I went to a private undergrad in Nashville that I'm still paying for. I expect I will have to take out loans to live off of, but I would absolutely base my decision of where to go based on how much scholarship money I'm offered.

So what scores does that start happening at? I know T-14 are different, and that's another thing I'm confused on. How big of a difference is it to go to a T-14 vs. a lesser ranked school. I'm from the southeast (Currently in Nashville) and I would actually like to stay in the area but I guess I don't even know where and what programs I should be looking into.

Basically, I'm just trying to find a target to aim for.

I'm also not on a time crunch. Maybe at my age I SHOULD be, but right now my goal is to take the June test. If I'm not PT'ing high enough consistently, I will wait until October since I've missed this cycle anyway.

Anything you guys have or know would be much appreciated!

Hi everyone,

I came across this sample "most strongly supported" question online. I found no record of it as an official LSAT question, so I suspect it's created by the website. I am having a hard time understanding the reasoning behind the credited answer (C) and would like some outsider advice on my own reasoning.

Here is the question:

When pregnant lab rats are given caffeine equivalent to the amount a human would consume by drinking six cups of coffee per day, an increase in the incidence of birth defects results. When asked if the government would require warning labels on products containing caffeine, a spokesperson stated that it would not because the government would lose credibility if the finding of these studies were to be refuted in the future.

(A) A warning that applies to a small population is inappropriate.

(B) Very few people drink as many as six cups of coffee a day.

(C) There are doubts about the conclusive nature of studies on animals.

(D) Studies on rats provide little data about human birth defects.

(E) The seriousness of birth defects involving caffeine is not clear.

I eliminated all but C and D, and my reasoning for weighing D over C is as follows:

I took C to mean "animals" as "all animals", in which case the statement can be negated and still be consistent with the government statement (if there aren't doubts about the conc nature of all animal studies, it simply means some are not... we don't know if this addresses rats in particular at all)

D did not seem great either but I figured it was better than C

However, if C said "some animals" then I would be completely in agreement.

Any input would be much appreciated, as well as whether you think the question is poorly devised or allows too much ambiguity (I have yet to come across an LSAT question like this).

Hi! Is there anyone in the Ottawa area that wants to take a test together? I suck at PTing alone, and would love to have a few mock-LSAT writes before the Feb exam.

I've taken the LSAT three times and have one cancel. I scored in the 94th percentile on my highest take.

So I'm pretty confused on this. I had to check the "yes" for academic probation because when I attended community college in 2008 I was put on probation for bad grades. Some schools seem to require Dean cert letters, but I'm not sure which do? I know Cornell and Duke do, Stanford was mentioned as needing one, but I can't find that anywhere.

I'm now really worried. I also called my community college and they said I wont need one. I applied to like 15 schools so now it is a huge mess. Does anyone have any clarity on this?

So this is the list I have so far;

Columbia: Yes

Stanford: No

USC: No

Duke: Yes

UVA: No

Cornell: Yes

Hi all,

My true diagnostic score was a 149, I just finished the CC and took PT36. Unfortunately I scored a 154, which seems to suggest scarcely any improvement (aside from LG) despite 4 months of prep.

For June 2007: Total LR: -17, RC -13, LG -13

For 36: Total LR -18, RC -10, LG -9

I am wondering, is this normal? I know a lot of people have seen massive improvement after the CC alone, so it makes me feel like I did something wrong while going through it.

For now do I try to push my BR score to +5 above my goal score? Do I just follow Sage Josh's Post CC strategy word-for-word? Any advice on how to interpret this helps.

Thanks