Am I the only one that feels like reading about conditional reasoning messes up my head .. feel like just skipping this chapter ? feel like I'm more able to solve a question without diagramming as the conditional reasoning showed me how to

I was diagnosed with LSAT-itis.

After being poked, prodded, and measured... I was diagnosed with LSAT-itis by my college's doctor. On and off fevers, sore throat, serious drainage, sneezing, coughing, wheezing, and general exhaustion is the just beginning of the grossness. I've never been more confused in my life. I had come in for a routine check up on Monday and had briefly mentioned to the PA that I had just taken the exam that pass weekend. So when I came in Friday after being gross for days, the doctor saw in my record I had just taken the exam. She tested me for a whole bunch of stuff that all came back negative. After a moment, she sat me down and was like, "You have LSAT-itis."

Apparently i've was her 5th LSAT kid that week! My orders were a whole weekend of bed rest, DayQuil/NyQuil, fluids and Netflix. I complied happily lol!

So, this is a PSA: You can and will get sick after you sit for this exam if you aren't careful. Make sure you are getting enough sleep, eating right and working out. Be better then me.

Love from your favorite LSAT-itis victim,

Victoria

For when you know you need a break but just...can't...let...go.

Your favorite LSAT mantras and mnemonics? (for long commutes to and from work) (Do not say "ViewSTAMP". I am so done with PowerScore)

Law and Order?

Movies. I'm on a list and some look better than others. Next on my list is My Cousin Vinny.

Any app recommendations for logic practice or word puzzles? (to boost your confidence in the morning, over breakfast...or replace compulsive checking of the news)

Songs? (I fought the Law - The Clash, The Law of the Land - The Temptations)

Hey 7sagers,

I'm wondering from what sample of experimental sections you guys select to simulate a real LSAT exam.

Do you choose them from earlier PT's (1~40's) or do you break them up from recent ones (e.g. Full PT 71+ PT 65 Section 3 as an experimental section)?

I was thinking the latter has the advantage of being exposed to a more realistic LSAT since all the sections will be from a similar time period. But I'm also concerned that breaking up a recent PT into experimental sections would be a loss of a full recent PT.

What do you guys think!? thank you, as always!

Hey everyone!

I'm having trouble with this particular question. It is an MBT question, and while I was BR, I read it without translating and was able to pick the right answer correctly, mainly by the elimination method. I tried translating it nonetheless, and it actually confused me even more. I don't know if I translated it incorrectly, but it just seemed to me that the right answer (B) was kind of a subjective statement when it says "It fits more closely than". Could we actually reach that valid conclusion through translation? If so, how did would you translate it? Isn't that statement too wide? Has anyone faced the same problem regarding translation, in the sense that sometimes it is easier to find the answer without translating?

Any help is very appreciated!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-51-section-1-question-11/

So I'm signing up for 7sage today. It seems like this program is great for LR and LG, but I am really struggling with RC for some reason. I took the Sept. 2017 test and really seemed to have a tough time (to be fair, that judges passage was impossible!).

I self studied with a book (cant remember what brand) that covered all three sections- it was one of the highest rated on Amazon (definitely not a Kaplan one), and then I also purchased the Powerscore LR and LG bibles. I also purchased the newest collection of LSAT exams. I took my first PT shortly after I began studying, and did pretty well on the RC section (I think it was -5). Unfortunately, my RC score has continued to decrease each time I take a PT.

I know that the RC sections have become increasingly difficult over the past few years, but I can't justify that to be the sole factor for my decrease. (My last PT before the LSAT was around -13, but I was exhausted and burnt out so that definitely did not help.) I noticed that I did not make any marks/notes in my first RC PT, and now I cannot stop myself from taking notes in the RC section...

Anyway to stop a long post from getting even longer, I was wondering if anyone could tell me about 7Sage's approach to RC. I feel pretty comfortable with LG and know I am decent at LR (but there's definitely room to improve). I have never had issues with RC in school, so I am feeling pretty discouraged. I scored a 157 on my first PT, and went down to a 151 right before the LSAT last week (I took 7 PTs in total). My LG has increased substantially, and my LR has slightly increased, so this huge decrease has come solely from RC.

I am hoping to score in the 160s in December. I would be thrilled with anything160 or above. Thank you in advanced for your responses!

Hey guys, I know we only finished with the test a week ago, and even some are finishing up in Florida today (Congrats btw!). And I haven't even really given much thought to a re-take, but if I do it's because I would have scored in the high 160's or low 170's and I want to punch that up higher since I'm a splitter.

However for us high scorers that are looking to retake, we probably already know the material pretty well. The benefit we can obtain from doing the easier sections administered over the years is likely minimal. Through 7Sage I scored every test, even ones I didn't do so that I would have access to their difficulty rating for each section within every PT. I figured this could be a great tool for everyone whenever they decide to start studying again to have a list of not just the hardest questions, or hardest games/passages, but to have the most difficult sections. This way when we're just doing timed sections instead of full PT's we can target our studying on the more difficult material. I'm also slightly out of my mind and have likely lost a sense of purpose without the LSAT in my life, but therapy will come later.

Anyways the sections are ranked from 1-5 with obviously five being the most difficult and one being the easiest. For the sake of this list I only will put up those sections that are ranked at either 4 or 5 difficulty. From my own research it seems that 7Sage largely ranks these sections by how hard or easy the questions are, so even though June's LSAT RC passages were considerably dense and difficult, because the questions themselves were very straight-forward and easy the section itself was only given a two-star ranking.

Reading Comprehension:

5 Star- PT 50 Yep, only one RC was ever given a five start difficulty ranking for some reason and that was PT 50. It makes sense since nearly half the questions in the section are given a four or five star difficulty rating!

4 Star- PT 19, PT 38, PT 43, PT 45, PT 51, PT 53, PT 54, PT 55, PT 65, PT 67, PT 74 (was -9 on this one during the summer, never went below -6 any other time), PT C2, PT 79. I'm sure PT 82 will be joining these ranks soon as well.

Logical Games:

5 Star- PT A, PT B, PT C, PT 18, PT 27, PT 31, PT 34, PT 36, PT 62

4 Star- PT 9, PT 13, PT 23, PT 30, PT 32, PT 35, PT 37, PT June 2007 (Free LSAT offered through LSAC), PT 57, PT 61, PT 66, PT 68

Logical Reasoning:

5 Star- PT 14 s4, PT 24 s2, PT 28 s1, PT 45 s1, PT 70 s4

4 Star- PT Feb 97 s1&3, PT 14 s2, PT 17 s2, PT 21 s3, PT 22 s2&4, PT 23 s3, PT 25 s2, PT 36 s1, PT 39 s2, PT 40 s3, PT 43 s3, PT 44 s4, PT 47 s3, PT 48 s4, PT 49 s2, PT 51 s3, PT 56 s2, PT 58 s1, PT 59 s2, PT 63 s3, PT 71 s3, PT 76 s2

Note: I left out the first eleven PT's as they're so old and LR so different I didn't think they'd be too useful.

Takeaways: Genuinely shocked at the results in the sense that I've always felt like the newer tests were much more difficult than the older one. I felt that the RC in the 70's was way more difficult than usual, but it looks like even though the passages tend to likely be more dense, the questions themselves aren't that hard. If you really want to challenge yourself in RC it looks like using PT's in the 50's are the way to go, especially since they still have comparative reading passages.

In regards to Logic Games, though we have seen some weirder and more difficult games the past few years, they have balanced that with easier games to begin with in those sections. I can attest that some of the earlier PT's especially PT A, B, and C which are included in SuperPrep are difficult the entire way, if you really want to test your LG than this is the way to go.

The difficulty in Logical Reasoning seems to be pretty consistent over the years though this list helped me realize using some of those PT's in the 20's may end up being useful.

Overall it makes sense why the PT's over the last few years have relatively tighter curves than those from way back as the test's difficulty actually seem to be easier on balance. I hope everyone who unfortunately has to re-take or is taking for the first time can find this list useful!

Hi All! Hope you are all studying or awaiting your scores!!

I am planning to write in December 2017 but if my scores are not within the range I wish I will be writing in February 2018. I wanted to know everyones opinion regarding the February LSAT.

Has anyone on this forum ever taken the LSAT and encountered a difference from the other PTs or other exams they have taken? I am aware this is an undisclosed exam therefore many of us would not be able to answer this question unless you have taken the February exam. Please let me know what everyones opinions are! I appreciate everyones point of view!!

Has anyone had this happen? It says that I have 4 pending charges from 7sage for some reason (usually takes a day to clear anything but I still get the product) but my 7sage account still says I'm on the "free trial" mode and I don't have access to the materials....

Hi! I need advice on drilling materials for LG and LR. I have heard good things about Cambridge and lsat trainer. I also don't want to blow too much money.

I took September lsat with a cancellation mindset. I've studied 2 months and realized it wasn't enough few weeks before the test. Since I've already paid for the test, I decided to take it and see what my soft sports on the real deal are. I am so happy I did. The experience made me realize that I need to be stricter on timing myself.

I can do 93-96q correctly without a stopwatch, but during the real deal I got very nervous and the need to perfectly answer every question killed my pace.

Esp games :(

Any advice for December study? And drilling materials?

Hey guys,

I have two questions!

I'd really appreciate your input regarding whether I should print out a fresh copy for RC blind review. Is it as helpful to do so as it is for LR blind review?

RC Drilling

Do you guys drill RC from earlier PT's (1~30). If so, do you drill by passage (8min45s) or do a full RC section then BR?

Thank you so much!

So I haven't gone grey yet. just keeping ya'll updated :)

I am new to 7Sage and am just getting started with this program and am loving it so far. However, I am concerned with the best approach to take on practice tests. I've already taken tests 64, 72-73, and 75-76 as full length proctored exams while going through Kaplan's syllabus. I've also been taking their lessons for quite a while and have fairly thoroughly covered their plan which uses tests 45-61. I was planning on using all other tests as full length proctored exams as I push towards the December 2nd LSAT.

Looking over the plan here at 7Sage- I am worried about using all of the earlier tests 1-35 to go through all of the material.

That would only leave me 36-44 and 61-81 minus the 5 sections I have already taken.

Is 24 more full length proctored exams enough?

It's been awhile since I have done one of these, mostly because I took the REAL FREAKING LSAT last Saturday. Today I've decided to go with a theme I've seen pop up a bit on these forums recently.

Every single person on this planet is unique. We have all been forged in the crucible of life by different experiences, situations, opportunities and struggles. One person might face strife one day and endearment the next; while another faces love and then disappointment. What we cannot do is lose perspective of life and ourselves. Each person has a unique life story that is so personalized, so individualized, that it creates who they are. To compare ones life to another is futile because they are so disproportionately different from each other. What is hard for one person may come naturally to another, not because that person is inherently better, but simply because their life circumstances were better suited for that particular challenge. It's not fair to belittle the person who has a harder time, because I promise you they are better equipped to handle something that you are not. It's also not fair for the person who struggled to belittle themselves; just because it came easy to someone else does not mean you are incapable of achieving the same results.

Once we are able to stop comparing ourselves to others then things become more clear. Your personal challenges become evident. It is then up to you to focus on what you need to do to achieve your goals. I believe you will find the challenge much more manageable once you stop trying to be like everyone else. You can see your own weaknesses, you can personalize a path to your goal, and you can kill self-doubt because you are no longer worried you are "behind" or "unskilled" or "incapable". Then this is where people can begin to rely on each other. Once we know ourselves and our own strengths and weaknesses we can begin to offer help to others, and to take advice. We need to be able to admit that we are not amazing in every aspect of our lives and be willing to listen to others, while simultaneously offering our own wisdom and advice to those that need it.

John is 22 years old, fresh out of undergrad, a single Dad who works full time and is great at Logic Games.

Susan is a 42 year old mother of 3 who was once an accountant but wants to switch to the legal field and is a master at Reading Comp.

Both of these two want a 180....

Why wouldn't they help each other? These two people stand to gain everything by working together and stand to lose nothing. Stop getting lost in the competitive game of trying to be better than others and start helping each other.

Each and every one of you who took the time to read this is an amazing individual. You have the potential to be whatever, and whomever you want to be. It might not come easy, it might be a challenge, but you can still accomplish it. Look into other peoples lives only to help them and lift them up, never look down on them. The LSAT is one challenge we all have in common and we all struggle in our own way. Let's use this as a way to bond and to grow as individuals and not as a way to prove we are "better" than someone else.

I give you this seal....to do whatever you want to do.

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Has anyone ever gone -0 on the entire LSAT on a test day? Just curious... Thanks!

So I am a weird bundle of splitter mess, I really want to start getting applications ready but I'm just not sure where I stand and where I can apply. While predictor websites are a good start they also don't take into account my story. I don't want to short change myself but I also don't want to reach so high as to be disappointed. So I'm here to ask for advice.

Notwithstanding my LSAT score this is what I look like so far...

2.7 cumulative GPA/4.0 Degree GPA - about a 4 year gap of time between the poor grades and the 4.0.

Non-traditional applicant - Work experience between undergraduate and starting law school.

Military service for 4 years (USMC) with 3 years of my post 9/11 GI bill left (Don't really need scholarship money).

One year internship at a law firm.

One year job with the federal courts.

Letters of recommendation from one undergrad professor and the clerk of the federal court.

Resume includes legal professionals as well as military members.

How would you even go about deciding on what schools will look favorably on this weird track record? I feel like it's almost 100% dependent on my LSAT score...so should I just wait tight for that?

Check out the Official June 18' Study Group Thread Here:

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/12461/june18-study-group-blind-review-pt-36-tuesday-dec-5th-7-30-pm-est/p1

Probably because it's my strongest section/has the least amount of reading. I enjoy doing them. LR on the other hand is another story

I am beginning to wonder what kind of impact my extracurricular activities might have on my law school applications next year. (Definitely hoping to apply to HYS, Columbia, NYU and UChicago, plus University of Toronto and Osgoode Hall in Canada).

So far, here's what my profile looks like (for context):

Would the following help in compensating for the lack of a prestigious undergrad degree? (I am at one of the lower ranked universities in Canada because I couldn't afford to go anywhere else):

Would really appreciate advice and guidance from former applicants and people in the process of applying to law schools! :)

Thanks!

Hey guys

I've been grinding through the curriculum for the past two months and am on track to finish by the end of September. I was wondering if someone has in their possession a study plan for me to use that they personally STRICTLY abided by in order to maximize their learning. I will be sitting for the December LSAT and I would like to take as many practice tests as I can and drill as much as I can. I have all of the tests on record and the cambridge packets (for drilling my weak spots) in my possession. I just want to study as efficiently as possible.

Thanks guys!

Hi all!

I have a silly question that I couldn't answer on my own, and I feel it's worth the risk of looking foolish on here just to ensure I end up submitting this application correctly. I'm applying to Colorado Law and they have a somewhat specific prompt with a part 1 and an optional part 2. Here are the instructions from their website:

The personal statement requirement provides you an opportunity to present yourself to the Admissions Committee. It is to be submitted with your electronic LSAC application. The personal statement for fall 2018 is below. Your essay must be in your own words, double-spaced, and should not exceed 1,000 words. Supported file formats include: doc, htm, html, txt, PDF, wp, wpd, rtf, wps, wpt and docx.

Personal Statement Prompt for 2018

At Colorado Law, we seek students who advance our core values of character, diversity, leadership, and commitment to service.

Part 1: Explain how you can contribute to these goals. You may also discuss any other factors that you think may assist the Admission Committee's evaluation of your application, such as: background information; experiences, talents or special interests; adversities you have overcome; and your reasons for applying to law school.

Part 2: (Optional): In considering applicants for scholarship awards, Colorado Law considers not only academic merit, but also economic need and obstacles, personal background, and a wide variety of individual qualities, so you may submit a statement of up to 500 words on any one or more of the following: (a) aspects of your upbringing, life experiences, work or service experiences, or education that you believe set you apart from most law school applicants; (b) economic disadvantage or other obstacles you have overcome in pursuing your education or career thus far and in applying to law school; (c) how you think you will contribute to society with your law degree; and/or (d) your financial need for increased money to fund your legal education.

So, it seems that one could interpret this in one of two ways:

Additionally, if I decided to forego the optional part 2 portion, that would mean I could use the 1,000 words all on part 1.... right?

What are your thoughts? The main reason I'm putting so much weight on this being correct is because of this Q&A with Colorado admissions and USN which just got me all worked up:

The most common mistake applicants made is failing to follow instructions, which differ from school to school. Some applicants ignore deadlines and fail to pay attention to details, such as addressing our specific essay topics in their personal statements or not submitting our two required recommendation letters.

So yes, any words of wisdom you guys have on the matter would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance :)

Hi Fellow Sagers!

I'm enrolled in the Admissions Course and I didn't see a section about law school in-person interviews - unless I'm missing something?

Have one coming up soon..does anyone have intel on what materials is appropriate to bring to one besides resume? Does bringing a copy of my personal statement make sense? Any tips if you've been on one?

Appreciate any insight! :)

Did anyone who took the Sept 2017 LSAT with accommodations take the same test as the normal one, even after the normal test date?

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Im trying to find out how hard Section 1 of PT 58 was. For me it wasn't really hard, but I missed a couple more than I would like.