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In the lesson Valid Argument Forms 4 - 9 of 9, a corollary to valid form 6 is introduced that reads—

A –> C

B –> C

∴ /A some /B

I understand how this form follows logically and how it relates to valid form 6, but it seems as though the /A some /B conclusion would NOT hold under the following scenario despite adhering to both initial premises.

Imagine you have A's.

A

A

A

All A's are C's.

AC

AC

AC

Imagine you have B's.

AC

AC

AC

B

B

B

All B's are C's (in this case, A and B do not intersect, without loss of generality).

AC

AC

AC

BC

BC

BC

Now, the inference should be "some non-A's are non-B's," however from the above scenario, all non A's ARE B's. Can somebody reconcile the above scenario with the valid argument form?

I've seen this example brought up in the lesson's comments section, however I have not seen it addressed directly.

Thanks!

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that judges passage tripped up my flow at the end of the test and i fucked up the last passage as well because of it and i just might end up scoring somewhere in mid 150s.i know that i can do much better and will for sure be taking the test again. however i'm in a dilemma if i should cancel the september score or not. i'm thinking of cancelling because its not a great score to have on record but i'm not sure so any suggestions are welcome.

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What is everyone's plan for the Dec LSAT?

I am looking to go back to studying and don't even know where to start. Need to work on LG, harder RC and target LR weaknesses.

Should I drill and PT? review curriculum? Curious what others are doing. I am in the high 150's to low 160's. Looking to get a168.

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Hey guys! Here's the official Feb. LSAT Discussion Thread. Please keep all discussions of the Feb. 2017 LSAT here!

Here's some ground rules, taken from my usual sticky:

We know that everyone will be excited to discuss what was on the Sept. '17 LSAT, but mentioning specifics about the test (e.g., "I got B for question 6" or "the 3rd LG was sequencing") can get both us and you in a lot of trouble with LSAC. Saying that the test was hard/easy without going into detail is okay, but anything more specific is not okay. LSAC monitors this forum.

If you're unsure what may be too specific, feel free to PM me with what you'd like to post.

The only exception is you can say which sections were real or experimental. For example, the LG with "flowers" was experimental. That's okay.

TL;DR: PLEASE don't talk specifics about September's LSAT!

Here's where you can see the current Real/Experimental Sections:

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/12783/september-2017-lsat-real-experimental-sections-keywords

Have fun discussing!

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Hi friends,

Congrats to everyone who took the LSAT on Saturday. Potential RC crises notwithstanding, making it through an administration is an accomplishment in and of itself, I think!

I'm shifting my focus towards applications to try and take my mind off the waiting time for scores to be released, and as I'm getting more specific with school lists, I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions for getting a feel for the "culture" of the schools. Part of my motivation comes from wanting write a kickass "Why X?" essay, but the majority of my curiosity stems from a hesitance to shell out tons of cash if a school isn't going to be a fit for me. I've obviously read all of the website and application materials, but I haven't done the whole "apply to college" type routine for some years now, and my uncovering skills may be a lil rusty. I remember for undergrad, sites like collegeconfidential felt pretty helpful at the time, but I don't know what my resources are in that vein for law school.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks y'all!

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So my original intent was to take the June and Sept retake, but I procrastinated too much to be adequately prepared for June. Having just taken the Sept test, my concern now is that, for the Dec score to make a meaningful impact, I would have to score at least 4 or so points higher. My concern is based on some data I came across previously on one of those sites (lawschoolnumbers?) that let you play around with LSAT scores and GPA ranges from thousands of former applicants, from years 2011-16ish, throughout different stages of the app cycle. Basically, you can input a particular GPA and LSAT score range along with the month the application was sent, and based on all former applicants whose ranges match those selected, it shows the percentage of those applicants who were admitted/waitlisted/rejected to the various schools they applied (you can even exclude URM). I found that, assuming equal GPA/LSAT ranges, those who applied from roughly Sept - mid/late Nov had a significant boost in their chances of admission over those who applied late Dec - March. Specifically, it appeared that one would need an increase in LSAT of at least 2 or 3 pts to make up for applying later in the cycle. So for those of us considering retesting in Dec, I'm wondering how exactly we should weigh the above info. More importantly, is anyone else familiar with this phenomenon? Would it put us in a different category, in terms of the effectiveness of our 2nd test in improving our admissions chances, if we applied in late October/early November and updated our apps with the improved LSAT scores in January, instead of submitting the application altogether in january?

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So i recently refreshed my fundementals on these 2 question types and im running into and issue that,i think, LSAC is playing on.

According to JY NA ACs make a bridge or a block.

Wouldnt blocking a potential argument strengthen it? And similarily for bridging?

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Hey fighters of LSAT-evil,

During the actual exam, that 15 minute break can seriously be tempting to a lot of people to relax too much and this can be detrimental to a few of us out there, including myself. When I took the exam yesterday (sept 2017) I couldn't resist going outside, grabbing some sunshine, eat my traditional trail-mix (with extra m&m's), play with my somewhat 33 pencils (give or take) and completely stop thinking about the LSAT that was coming back to bite me in the *** 14 minutes later.

I read @LSATcantwin 's strategy during the 15 minute break regarding a personal 1-1 pep-talk with, well, yourself. That seemed really useful to me personally and am very curious to see what other people do.

What exactly goes through your mind during the actual exam during the 15 minute break? What do you do to stay level-headed and frequent in the "eyes on the prize" mode?

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Hey all,

This morning was rough..like really rough..as some of you may know I've been shooting for a mid-170s score and my PTs were on par with that grade.

This morning though, I just felt like I got hit by a brick wall. I don't feel confident in my score at all.

I wanted to know, what are the potential advantages of canceling? Do law schools only look at your top score, or do they average them? Does it depend on the school? And if so, which average and which take the top ones?

Thanks,

Paul

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I took the LSAT yesterday. This was my second time. On my PT's I was scoring in the mid to high 160's. My ideal score is 167 or above.

I just don't know how I did yesterday. I don't know how to assess my performance in any of the sections on the test besides LG. I was able to figure out every game except the second one in which I had to guess on 3-4 questions. In my PTs, I was getting 2-3 wrong on LG.

I can't risk another bad score. I did terrible on my first LSAT in which I totally bombed the LG section (got -15). I worked the heck out of LG games this time so I don't think I bombed LG again unless I screwed up everything. I thought LR and RC on yesterday's test was normal, besides the passage about the judges.

I don't know what to do. I really don't want to cancel because I have some applications that require the September score. I would be fine with a score in the mid-to-high 160's. I just can't get the same score as last time or do worse because that would just destroy me. Is it possible to do worst than your first LSAT??? I put in two full months of studying in this.

I'm just curious how others who are relying on the September score are thinking about what to do next, especially those who didn't take the test for the first time yesterday.

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So I took the exam today and I was super bummed because I absolutely blanked on logic games. They were standard and I had done similar games dozens of times before usually only going -1 to -2 but I just blanked.

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I plan on drilling games and filming myself but feel kind of discouraged especially after doing so many games and feeling like i'm pretty good to blanking out and ruining my score with this easy section.

any advice would be appreciated. thx

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Hello fellow fighters against LSAT-evil,

I've been curious to see what your opinions are when it comes to switching up sections with different sections to create a sort-of "new" PT. For example, using PT 60 as a base and taking out 2 (randomly selected) sections and replacing them with sections from, say, PT 62 or PT 56.

Clearly, this sort of practice is for people who have done all PT's in the LSAT world and have nothing left to do. I have to ask, what are your thoughts on this particular practice?

For me, I think it would create more anonymity with that PT for those who have done it already and don't want to be mislead by past choices, whether or not that past choice was the correct or incorrect answer. From my experience, when I retake a particular PT I tend to remember the PT sections ordering among other things. If one were to mix up PT sections with a different PT section then I feel that would throw the test taker off by just enough to prevent information recall and rely more on your skills learned.

I don't know, what do you guys think? I ask this because I'm beginning to run out of PT's (been studying for almost a year) and would need at least a few more PT's before I write in December. Also, because I can't seem to find an opinion on 7sage forums about this type of practice nor have I come across a question like this on TLS or elsewhere. Maybe my Google search skills need some sharpening...

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So I already saw a string a few test center complaints from this morning's test but what I experienced today wasn't at all from other students' disruptions but all fell solely on the proctor.

For 2 sections (section 2 and 3) the proctor called timed early. She legitimately shaved off 5 whole minutes from Section 2 and while some of us verbally complained, as you know there's not much time in between each section and we shuffled in Section 3 w/o immediately addressing it. She tried to call time TEN whole minutes before Section 3 ended and so the majority of the room complained, had our watches in the air like 'wtff??!'. She apologized and let us finish. She even said 'this is just not my day...' Because of that, a girl complained that ALL of our test scores should be cancelled at this point because of the multiple disruptions. I was torn because although they were disruptions, I wasn't willing to give up all the work. The proctor compromised slightly and gave us 5 minutes to GO BACK to Section2 (yes, this was already after Section 3).. while I feel like i was to re-confirm some questions I circled in those 5 mins. I'm not sure if it did that much for me. ON TOP OF THAT, the proctor's cellphone rang TWICE!! So the girl from earlier plus about 4-5 other students, at least from what I saw, cancelled immediately during the break. Me and other people around me were shocked 'I can't believe that just happened.' 'All the studying for THIS to happen!?' etc. I know a lot of people will be e-mailing LSAC with a complaint about this and are debating cancelling within the 6 days.

Im really torn .. I've been studying for awhile/have extended twice and this was supposed to the one for me. Overall, while I do feel like I did okay and sufficient enough to apply to schools, when I get the score in Oct. I can't help to think that I was possibly robbed some points b/c of these disruptions. IF enough people send a complaint, do you think LSAC will cancel everyone's score even if we don't apply for a cancellation?

Sorry.... went on a major rant.. thank you for reading through all of this - if you've experienced something similar in the past or know of anyone, any thoughts of how LSAC might handle? Any advice?

Thanks!

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Hey everyone,

Sorry if this has been posted previously but I wasn't able to find any threads relating to actual video recordings of people taking timed LSATs. I do know they exist, as I've seen people referring to those in the past on the 7sage discussion board. I'm at the point in my studying where it would be super beneficial to watch a top scorer go through the test and see their timing strategy.

Thanks in advance!

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So...today I took the September LSAT and had to cancel my score, which is devastating because I have now prepped with various methods for 1.5 years. Last September, I took the exam and bombed it because I was working over 80 hrs a week and did not dedicate enough time to honestly taking timed tests and BRing. Since February of this year, I have been on 7Sage going over core curriculum on all of my weak areas that other test prep companies could not help me with. I have read the LSAT Trainer 3 times, done the PS bibles too many times to count, PS bible workbooks, Manhattan strategy guides, Blueprint LG book, and burned through pretty much every single LSAT all the way up to 81(mistake numero uno, I know).

I feel like I know what I am doing when I do timed exams at home, but that said, my scores are inconsistent. LG is my weakness, and my problems in LR are not specific to question type, but rather spread out. I range anywhere from 158-168 timed and my BR is usually about 10 points or so over whatever score I get timed. I thoroughly review each test, and seemed to be improving. My biggest issue is my severe...and I am talking SEVERE test anxiety. I have tried meditating, release methods, affirmations, etc. I don't know what to do. Today, I walked into that test confident that I would kick this test in the butt. When the test began, I could not absorb any of the information I was reading and I panicked. I tried breathing deeply and tried to calm myself down, but nothing helped. I completely froze and became paralyzed for the rest of the test and had a panic attack during the break. After studying for 1.5 years and doing nothing but LSAT prep, I am completely devastated. I have sacrificed so much (time, financial security, mental health, emotional health,etc.). I just don't know what to do at this point. I don't want to give up on my dreams, but I don't know what to do.

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Abit of background: i have a degree from a crappy online college (upside is a gtaduated with a cumulative GPA of 3.96)

I spent 3 years studying ancient text abroad.

My whole schooling would be considered rigorous by most standards (i.e. start at 7:45am - 8:45 pm sunday - thursday.) From 9th grade till now 4yrs out of highschool.

Unfortunately, due to getting my degree online, i dont have any really strong LORs, but they are solid.

I have done tons of charity work and the like.

Realistically, i am expecting a 169-172 on my december take.

I have started looking at different schools, and NYU, columbia are looking mighty fine.

Do you guys think these should be considered my 'reach" schools?

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