This felt so intuitive to me. It was just clear that the answer would be that the new department has at least 50 people to hire. Is it necessary to diagram when you intuitively know the answer? Or is it a best practice to diagram only when you're not so sure?
I'm confused about the "and" between both necessary conditions. I thought if it was AND instead of OR that means both apply? As in, if both occur then the department would not be funded
I found this video explanation to be concise. Though it is long , I still paused and wrote down all the breakdowns from sentence 1 to 3. It is a lot of note taking but, if the questions are this detailed, I would rather do that now than NOT during the test.
I feel like the video explanations for questions in the lessons are way to long and include so much unnecessary info. It makes it hard to pay attention and distinguish between useful and fluff information.
proposal not funded if <50 people for hire and >25% duplication
Area Studies proposal will be funded
>25% duplication? yes
<50 people for hire? no --> why? because if there were <50 people for hire, the proposal would not have been funded
A) must be true. if there were fewer than 50 people for hire, the proposal would not have been funded
B) doesn't matter if the proposed department duplicates material in more than one existing department. we already know it duplicates more than 25% of the material in anthropology and that is enough to know that one of the conditions for not receiving funding has been met.
C) it could still be funded with less than 25% duplication. we know only that funding will be witheld if there is more than 25% duplication and less than 50 people for hire. So less than 25% duplication could lead to funding (regardless of hiring avaialbility)
D) We don't know the amount of material in each department so we cannot determine whether or not this is true. Let's say that 'material' = books. anthropology department = 100 books and area studies department = 500 books. 50 of the books overlap (are in both departments). This means that area studies duplicates 50% of the material covered in anthropology, but anthropology duplicates only 10% of the material covered in area studies.
E) cannot be true. if there were fewer than 50 people for hire, the proposal would not have been funded
[No funding if less than 50 people and more than 25% duplication; X has more than 25% duplication so we will fund]
Then another commenter mentioned that conjunctions like this REQUIRE both conditions to occur, if only one occurs then the conclusion still follows. Contrapositive and make OR
Is it correct to say "I wont play basketball with my bro if he is wearing a red shirt and pants. He's not wearing pants, so I'll play basketball with my bro".
Can you explain in greater detail why answer choice C is incorrect. I am trying to write out the reasoning for each incorrect answer choice. The explanation in the video did not really pinpoint why C was incorrect other than, "I don't know if that is true"
Correct me if I'm wrong but since "25% and 50< and proposal → /funded," the contrapositive would be "funded→ /25% or /50< or /proposal" and we know "25%" and "proposal" is true, so that would make "/50<" true, right?
I negated the "and" to "or" when translating to the contrapositive. This made it simpler for me to understand, if my logic is incorrect let me know. The stimulus says that it is funded as well so the contrapositive would not be hypothetical anymore but be proven.
This entire question is contradictory... If two requirements must be met for ANY proposal to be funded, then shouldn't the "and" in that sentence be changed to "or?" It's almost as if the whole first sentence means absolutely nothing lmao
Not gunna lie, theres no need for the breakdown and I feel it makes it over complicated for people to underdstand, I got this question right with like 30 seconds.. super easy. My logic to this was it concluded it would fund the new program even though it was going to doup 25% more material, so the only other variable was it needs to have more then 50 people. I went to the answer choices, completely ignored everything that didnt talk about 50 people. There was only two choices, one saying less then 50 and one saying at least 50. If it needs 50 then the lesser is wrong right off the rip which leaves you with A... at least 50.
I always attempt to solve the problem myself before watching and while I definitely understood what should logically follow I was confused about the use of the word however. Usually when you say however its because you are disagreeing or making an exception, was that confusing/weird to anyone else?
So I wrote out the logic for the question, but I guess in my logic I assumed already that the proposal would be met so I never added the third conjunction of the proposal. Would that be logically incorrect to assume that in general because of course here that assumption proved harmless.
I am struggling to understand the correct answer. The stimulus says the new department will not be funded if the proposed department duplicates more than 25 percent of the materials covered in another department. It then says it duplicates more than 25 percent of the materials covered in the Anthropology department. Thus, the proposal would not be funded, but the stimulus says it will be funded. Can someone explain how the department can be funded if it doesn't follow the conditions?
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This felt so intuitive to me. It was just clear that the answer would be that the new department has at least 50 people to hire. Is it necessary to diagram when you intuitively know the answer? Or is it a best practice to diagram only when you're not so sure?
I'm confused about the "and" between both necessary conditions. I thought if it was AND instead of OR that means both apply? As in, if both occur then the department would not be funded
overexplanation
I found this video explanation to be concise. Though it is long , I still paused and wrote down all the breakdowns from sentence 1 to 3. It is a lot of note taking but, if the questions are this detailed, I would rather do that now than NOT during the test.
I feel like the video explanations for questions in the lessons are way to long and include so much unnecessary info. It makes it hard to pay attention and distinguish between useful and fluff information.
This writing is so messy, I can barely read it.
proposal not funded if <50 people for hire and >25% duplication
Area Studies proposal will be funded
>25% duplication? yes
<50 people for hire? no --> why? because if there were <50 people for hire, the proposal would not have been funded
A) must be true. if there were fewer than 50 people for hire, the proposal would not have been funded
B) doesn't matter if the proposed department duplicates material in more than one existing department. we already know it duplicates more than 25% of the material in anthropology and that is enough to know that one of the conditions for not receiving funding has been met.
C) it could still be funded with less than 25% duplication. we know only that funding will be witheld if there is more than 25% duplication and less than 50 people for hire. So less than 25% duplication could lead to funding (regardless of hiring avaialbility)
D) We don't know the amount of material in each department so we cannot determine whether or not this is true. Let's say that 'material' = books. anthropology department = 100 books and area studies department = 500 books. 50 of the books overlap (are in both departments). This means that area studies duplicates 50% of the material covered in anthropology, but anthropology duplicates only 10% of the material covered in area studies.
E) cannot be true. if there were fewer than 50 people for hire, the proposal would not have been funded
The stimulus broke my brain at first:
[No funding if less than 50 people and more than 25% duplication; X has more than 25% duplication so we will fund]
Then another commenter mentioned that conjunctions like this REQUIRE both conditions to occur, if only one occurs then the conclusion still follows. Contrapositive and make OR
Is it correct to say "I wont play basketball with my bro if he is wearing a red shirt and pants. He's not wearing pants, so I'll play basketball with my bro".
Can you explain in greater detail why answer choice C is incorrect. I am trying to write out the reasoning for each incorrect answer choice. The explanation in the video did not really pinpoint why C was incorrect other than, "I don't know if that is true"
hi a bit confused I missed why we would make this a conjunctive ? You did not explain why box and proposal should be conjunct.
I find this explanation video unnecessarily detailed and too confusing. It is much simpler to break it down as follows:
less than 50... and duplicate 25%... → /funding.
The stimulus says there will be funding. So take the contrapositive.
funding →/less than 50... OR /duplicate 25%.....
Since the stimulus says there is a duplicate 25%..., then there must not be less than 50 people available for hire.
pov: you're at the end of the road
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Shouldn't "proposal" be kicked up to the domain? So it would be >25% and 25% or /<50).
I understand but how do we do this under timed situations? because I can answer the questions just fine but I cannot do this so fast
Correct me if I'm wrong but since "25% and 50< and proposal → /funded," the contrapositive would be "funded→ /25% or /50< or /proposal" and we know "25%" and "proposal" is true, so that would make "/50<" true, right?
I negated the "and" to "or" when translating to the contrapositive. This made it simpler for me to understand, if my logic is incorrect let me know. The stimulus says that it is funded as well so the contrapositive would not be hypothetical anymore but be proven.
Is it bad that I’m not doing any of this writing out logic stuff, seems less complicated without
This entire question is contradictory... If two requirements must be met for ANY proposal to be funded, then shouldn't the "and" in that sentence be changed to "or?" It's almost as if the whole first sentence means absolutely nothing lmao
Not gunna lie, theres no need for the breakdown and I feel it makes it over complicated for people to underdstand, I got this question right with like 30 seconds.. super easy. My logic to this was it concluded it would fund the new program even though it was going to doup 25% more material, so the only other variable was it needs to have more then 50 people. I went to the answer choices, completely ignored everything that didnt talk about 50 people. There was only two choices, one saying less then 50 and one saying at least 50. If it needs 50 then the lesser is wrong right off the rip which leaves you with A... at least 50.
0:44 "we've increased the burden of proof, so to speak"
I think you meant "the standard of proof" and not "the burden of proof".
#feedback
I wonder. Are there some answers where we should diagram for MBT questions?
I always attempt to solve the problem myself before watching and while I definitely understood what should logically follow I was confused about the use of the word however. Usually when you say however its because you are disagreeing or making an exception, was that confusing/weird to anyone else?
So I wrote out the logic for the question, but I guess in my logic I assumed already that the proposal would be met so I never added the third conjunction of the proposal. Would that be logically incorrect to assume that in general because of course here that assumption proved harmless.
your handwriting is impossible to follow, I also feel like you are making it 20x more complicated than it needs to be
I feel like all the Lawgic on this question made me more confused, once I just ready the stimulus it made way more sense.
I am struggling to understand the correct answer. The stimulus says the new department will not be funded if the proposed department duplicates more than 25 percent of the materials covered in another department. It then says it duplicates more than 25 percent of the materials covered in the Anthropology department. Thus, the proposal would not be funded, but the stimulus says it will be funded. Can someone explain how the department can be funded if it doesn't follow the conditions?