The reason I knew it was E was because it said in the stimulus that the "only obstacle" is that Az refusing to sell. If this obstacle is eliminated then... that changes everything. And E said bankruptcy will force them to sell, hence removing that obstacle. So the "only" is what hinted at the right answer for me. Not sure if that is entirely correct though.
I see I think I was confused and picked B because I didn't like that E assumed they would sell to her and not someone else if they were forced to sell at all. But I see now that the "only" in reference to their refusal forecloses the possibility that they would not sell to her just cause they don't like her or for whatever reason
What a perfect example of an answer choice which seems so obviously correct that you're hesitant to choose it solely because of this reason and end up wasting valuable time on double and triple confirming whether other answer choices are incorrect. LSAT test makers are some sneaky mfs
I am ashamed to admit this, but out of all the questions I've done in this lesson, this is the only one I have gotten correct .... little progress is better than no progress I guess.
@LindaLopez We all have questions types that are more difficult than others for ourselves! Just means you have a clear idea of what to focus on in your studying. You got this!
I didn't choose E because I thought it undermined the premise in the stimulus, just as I thought (B) was undermining Azedcorp's steadfast refusal to sell. :/
(D) felt like the right choice because I assumed Morris could buy more shares off others other than Azedcorp but I guess that was too much of a stretch
When I did the BR though, I reminded myself that the ACs had to be TRUE. If it's true that Azedcorp "will probably soon FORCE the sale of its newspaper holdings," I guess the (E) is correct...
Honestly though, if it wasn't for the "suggest for BR" sign, I would have still chosen (D). With (E), I thought it was a bit unclear because of the word "probably," and "newspaper holdings," (the lack of "all" holdings? idk) and the idea that they might sell to another person/company not Morris.
B still feels like the better answer. In E, just because they most likely will be forced to sell doesn't mean those shares are going to Morris. If a company is going bankrupt, then it should be fair to assume it will sell to anyone who wants the shares because they are going under. You know, "whatever just take them I'm done."
But B is saying Morris is directly offering Azedcorp more money than what they paid. A corporation is a corporation, it wants to make a profit no matter how small, and here they get more than what they paid. So if they accept the deal, those shares go directly to Morris, which in turn makes her majority owner. Why is B not correct????
B is too vague tho, if Azedcorp bought shares 20 years ago, of course Morris would be offering more money than they paid for the shares, so It kind of makes no sense that if they didn't sell to Morris at a profit, they then aren't selling it either way.
I would disagree. The stimulus already told you that Azedcorp does not want to sell. If she offered them more money than before, what assumption is required for that answer choice to even be close to strengthening the analysis that the industry experts made? That they will change their minds about not selling. If you take Azedcorp out like E does, then guess what the only obstacle is gone and she's able to take the majority of the shares.
I agree, E forces us to assume that just because they going bankrupt that Morris also has the money to purchase the shares and will be the new majority. It requires way too many further assumptions of the industry prediction that "Morris will be the majority owner of the Daily"
B is less correct because it does not strongly overcome the premise that states "Amazon I mean Azedcorp is steadfastly not selling." It is almost precluded by the stim. E is more correct because if they are FORCED to sell by an outside factor that means that the the main obstacle for Moris is removed, allowing for the planned takeover.
"The only obstacle" safeguards all assumptions in regard to finance, ability to buy, etc. So when E rolls around and kills the only obstacle in Morris becoming majority owner, it supports the conclusion.
I was between B. and E. but I could not being myself to choose E. because I thought E. was baiting me to make an assumption. E says, "Azedcorp is financially so weak that bankruptcy will probably soon force the sale of its newspaper holdings."
I was trying to be aware of sets/the size of sets, so I thought E. was baiting me to assume that if Azedcorps were to sell its newspaper holdings due to bankrupcy, it would necessarily sell its The Daily holdings. I was trying to be aware that Azedcorp could have many other newspaper holdings, and the sale of its newspaper holdings =/= the sale of all of its newspaper holdings =/= the sale of The Daily. So I thought E. was trying to bait me into making some unreasonable assumptions, but I guess I overthought and ended up being unreasonable about what is unreasonable?
To make E. work, you have to assume that bankruptcy will force Azedcorp to sell The Daily. To make B. work, you have to assume that Morris paying more will make Azedcorp sell. However, we don't know what other holdings Azedcorp has (and therefore what else it can sell to get out of bankruptcy without selling The Daily) and we also don't know why Azedcorps refuses to sell to Morris (i.e. we don't know if it is because Morris' previous offers were too low).
How do you pick between which of these two assumptions is more reasonable?
Had a similar thought process, but then saw the direction the choices were pointing towards and what is our task for this question type. Our task is to make it more LIKELY that Morris could become a majority shareholder, not guarantee it. E indicated that Azedcorp will sell newspaper holdings. Any indication of selling makes it more likely that The Daily shares fall into this group. In contrast I felt that B gave no indication at all as to what is likely/ the direction this transaction will go. Azedcorp could or could not sell the shares for more money. And even if they were tempted to sell, the stimulus indicates that Morris would acquire the shares soon, we do not know how fast this transaction can take and that is another assumption we have to make. Furthermore, maybe they were steadfast not to share because of some other reason besides money, maybe they don't like Morris. If they are forced to sell like E says, it is more reasonable to believe any other reservations would have to be put aside. Thus, it is more reasonable to think that the Daily is included in the shares and that because of this Morris will LIKELY become majority shareholder. E just removes one of the obstacles to her obtaining a majority.
All of this to say, some choices can and will require assumption but you should pick the one with the least amount. Let me know if that helps/need further clarification.
Could be wrong but for me it was "the only obstacle." So I reasonably assumed that if they HAVE TO ("forced to") sell, then it's going to him by default. The only difference is that my assumption came from the stimulus and not my own logic, cuz then i'd agree with you 100%. Hope this helped!
I hate that I can guess the difficulty of the question now before I see it. If I get one right I'm like oh that must have been a 3 or 2 star. The 4 and 5 stars kick my ass. Ugh.
The reason I eliminate E is that even if Az has to sell his shares, we can't assume he is definateky selling it to Morris. Still confused about why E is the most supportive.
That was my first thought, but rereading the stimulus, it states that the "only" obstacle is that they refuse to sell. That eliminates the possibility of any other possible obstacles including other buyers. We know that isn't an obstacle, there's only one obstacle. E tells us that the only obstacle will soon be eliminated.
Remember, we aren't looking for an answer that 100% confirms the conclusion, only something that at least mildly strengthens it. We don't know that bankruptcy will result in Morris being able to acquire the shares, but it's certainly a step in that direction, isn't it?
This is why I was unsure about E too. E does nothing to connect Morris with the sale. It just establishes that Az has to sell. However, the only other contender for me was B and I knew B was wrong because the stimulus already established that Az is adamantly against selling. So, only something such as bankruptcy could probably force Az to sell.
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E seemed too obvious that I was scared to pick it because I thought it was a bait and I'm tired of being a dumb, smelly fish.
@cwferrari same i said it was too easy of an answer so i was like upset cause the answer is plausable
This is my first question I've gotten right in these drills. I suck at these lol
you and I both lol :(
One is better than none! I'm sure you'll excel soon enough (if not already right now :))!
The reason I knew it was E was because it said in the stimulus that the "only obstacle" is that Az refusing to sell. If this obstacle is eliminated then... that changes everything. And E said bankruptcy will force them to sell, hence removing that obstacle. So the "only" is what hinted at the right answer for me. Not sure if that is entirely correct though.
I see I think I was confused and picked B because I didn't like that E assumed they would sell to her and not someone else if they were forced to sell at all. But I see now that the "only" in reference to their refusal forecloses the possibility that they would not sell to her just cause they don't like her or for whatever reason
I spent 5 mins on this question & was so proud to get it right and then I saw it was difficulty level 2...
What a perfect example of an answer choice which seems so obviously correct that you're hesitant to choose it solely because of this reason and end up wasting valuable time on double and triple confirming whether other answer choices are incorrect. LSAT test makers are some sneaky mfs
I am ashamed to admit this, but out of all the questions I've done in this lesson, this is the only one I have gotten correct .... little progress is better than no progress I guess.
@LindaLopez its alright Linda keep pushing.
@LindaLopez We all have questions types that are more difficult than others for ourselves! Just means you have a clear idea of what to focus on in your studying. You got this!
wth are these questions, like i'll get two or three wrong, then one or two right, then it repeats over and over again, drives me insane ngl.
Ever since we switched to the assumption framework, this has been the most frustrating module.
I've only gotten one of these questions correct. Feeling stuck.
You got this! Just go over the questions again like 2-3 days later and I promise it comes back to you in ways you could not imagine.
I was so confident about B...
real.
I got this one right! I love my life! :) <3
real
I literally sat on the right answer for so long cause I was like...mmm this makes too much sense to me rn.
@julienneabing588 same, seemed too straightforward.
I overthinked this one..
lol
HOWD I GET THIS WRONG BROOOOOO. I thought E would be too easy of an answer 😭 fml
I didn't choose E because I thought it undermined the premise in the stimulus, just as I thought (B) was undermining Azedcorp's steadfast refusal to sell. :/
(D) felt like the right choice because I assumed Morris could buy more shares off others other than Azedcorp but I guess that was too much of a stretch
When I did the BR though, I reminded myself that the ACs had to be TRUE. If it's true that Azedcorp "will probably soon FORCE the sale of its newspaper holdings," I guess the (E) is correct...
Honestly though, if it wasn't for the "suggest for BR" sign, I would have still chosen (D). With (E), I thought it was a bit unclear because of the word "probably," and "newspaper holdings," (the lack of "all" holdings? idk) and the idea that they might sell to another person/company not Morris.
Ok the premise does state that Azedcorp's ownership is "the only obstacle". eye roll
B still feels like the better answer. In E, just because they most likely will be forced to sell doesn't mean those shares are going to Morris. If a company is going bankrupt, then it should be fair to assume it will sell to anyone who wants the shares because they are going under. You know, "whatever just take them I'm done."
But B is saying Morris is directly offering Azedcorp more money than what they paid. A corporation is a corporation, it wants to make a profit no matter how small, and here they get more than what they paid. So if they accept the deal, those shares go directly to Morris, which in turn makes her majority owner. Why is B not correct????
B is too vague tho, if Azedcorp bought shares 20 years ago, of course Morris would be offering more money than they paid for the shares, so It kind of makes no sense that if they didn't sell to Morris at a profit, they then aren't selling it either way.
I would disagree. The stimulus already told you that Azedcorp does not want to sell. If she offered them more money than before, what assumption is required for that answer choice to even be close to strengthening the analysis that the industry experts made? That they will change their minds about not selling. If you take Azedcorp out like E does, then guess what the only obstacle is gone and she's able to take the majority of the shares.
I agree, E forces us to assume that just because they going bankrupt that Morris also has the money to purchase the shares and will be the new majority. It requires way too many further assumptions of the industry prediction that "Morris will be the majority owner of the Daily"
B is less correct because it does not strongly overcome the premise that states "
AmazonI mean Azedcorp is steadfastly not selling." It is almost precluded by the stim. E is more correct because if they are FORCED to sell by an outside factor that means that the the main obstacle for Moris is removed, allowing for the planned takeover."The only obstacle" safeguards all assumptions in regard to finance, ability to buy, etc. So when E rolls around and kills the only obstacle in Morris becoming majority owner, it supports the conclusion.
This one is very frustrating. How is E correct if it says "probably"? That doesn't mean they are guaranteed to sell or even sell to Carol.
I was between B. and E. but I could not being myself to choose E. because I thought E. was baiting me to make an assumption. E says, "Azedcorp is financially so weak that bankruptcy will probably soon force the sale of its newspaper holdings."
I was trying to be aware of sets/the size of sets, so I thought E. was baiting me to assume that if Azedcorps were to sell its newspaper holdings due to bankrupcy, it would necessarily sell its The Daily holdings. I was trying to be aware that Azedcorp could have many other newspaper holdings, and the sale of its newspaper holdings =/= the sale of all of its newspaper holdings =/= the sale of The Daily. So I thought E. was trying to bait me into making some unreasonable assumptions, but I guess I overthought and ended up being unreasonable about what is unreasonable?
To make E. work, you have to assume that bankruptcy will force Azedcorp to sell The Daily. To make B. work, you have to assume that Morris paying more will make Azedcorp sell. However, we don't know what other holdings Azedcorp has (and therefore what else it can sell to get out of bankruptcy without selling The Daily) and we also don't know why Azedcorps refuses to sell to Morris (i.e. we don't know if it is because Morris' previous offers were too low).
How do you pick between which of these two assumptions is more reasonable?
#help
Had a similar thought process, but then saw the direction the choices were pointing towards and what is our task for this question type. Our task is to make it more LIKELY that Morris could become a majority shareholder, not guarantee it. E indicated that Azedcorp will sell newspaper holdings. Any indication of selling makes it more likely that The Daily shares fall into this group. In contrast I felt that B gave no indication at all as to what is likely/ the direction this transaction will go. Azedcorp could or could not sell the shares for more money. And even if they were tempted to sell, the stimulus indicates that Morris would acquire the shares soon, we do not know how fast this transaction can take and that is another assumption we have to make. Furthermore, maybe they were steadfast not to share because of some other reason besides money, maybe they don't like Morris. If they are forced to sell like E says, it is more reasonable to believe any other reservations would have to be put aside. Thus, it is more reasonable to think that the Daily is included in the shares and that because of this Morris will LIKELY become majority shareholder. E just removes one of the obstacles to her obtaining a majority.
All of this to say, some choices can and will require assumption but you should pick the one with the least amount. Let me know if that helps/need further clarification.
I had the exact same thought process ://
I still think that just because the company is selling its shares doesn't mean that Morris will get them.
the standard is Most supports. The right answer need not guarantee the conclusion but strengthen it
Could be wrong but for me it was "the only obstacle." So I reasonably assumed that if they HAVE TO ("forced to") sell, then it's going to him by default. The only difference is that my assumption came from the stimulus and not my own logic, cuz then i'd agree with you 100%. Hope this helped!
Overthinking is my enemy
I hate that I can guess the difficulty of the question now before I see it. If I get one right I'm like oh that must have been a 3 or 2 star. The 4 and 5 stars kick my ass. Ugh.
@Njbrunette I'm the opposite. I find the hardest questions the easiest, and the easiest questions the hardest. :(
@ratman23 It'll be like "98% of students get this right" okay then I'll just go cry ig
This is a W, team
this felt like a 1. 2 feels generous
yayaya! got it right :)
The reason I eliminate E is that even if Az has to sell his shares, we can't assume he is definateky selling it to Morris. Still confused about why E is the most supportive.
That was my first thought, but rereading the stimulus, it states that the "only" obstacle is that they refuse to sell. That eliminates the possibility of any other possible obstacles including other buyers. We know that isn't an obstacle, there's only one obstacle. E tells us that the only obstacle will soon be eliminated.
Remember, we aren't looking for an answer that 100% confirms the conclusion, only something that at least mildly strengthens it. We don't know that bankruptcy will result in Morris being able to acquire the shares, but it's certainly a step in that direction, isn't it?
This is why I was unsure about E too. E does nothing to connect Morris with the sale. It just establishes that Az has to sell. However, the only other contender for me was B and I knew B was wrong because the stimulus already established that Az is adamantly against selling. So, only something such as bankruptcy could probably force Az to sell.
I seem to be doing fine with levels 1-3 difficulty, but once we get to 4 and 5 I am missing them!