Quick Question. So when the premises are not really connected by anything(like in this question), then we don't have to use all of them to draw the conclusion? But if the premises are all connected, does that mean that they all have to be used to draw the conclusion? Just a little confused.
Strangely, I'm understanding this. I think what really made me take out certain answer choices is when i know the pattern of how it flows is off. Obviously, I'm still checking for context, but if i see something that is out of order on how it was presented in the stimulus, then i'll cross it out. Also if whatever new info is introduced in the conclusion, I try to see which answer choices are mentioning it because then there would be no solid bridge between the premises to conclusion.
5 min over but I got it ! The thing that killed me on this one for some reason I couldn't stick the conclusion out. I thought it was buried somewhere int he middle. Goes to show that if you can't point out the conclusion its useless to reread the answer choices
No clue why this one felt easy for me. I guess some questions click for certain people, considering I just got one that 85% of people get correct wrong. My logic on this was that the stim says the trad class is not effective because it lacks social process, and without that, the students can't develop insights. How does that relate? well it is explaining why it is ineffective, but the gap, what is left out, is stopping us from making this argument air-tight. If we place that in between, we can see.
Education is not effective unless it leads to the development of insight
Education in a trad class environment is not a social process
Only social processes can develop students' insights.
@TylerMadani021 literally...I found this one easy and got it under 45 seconds, but literally just got a level 1 question wrong that 97% of people got right lol.
@KeziaH19 This test can be infuriating, lmao. We just need to lock down the level 1-3s, then even if we get half of the 4 and 5s wrong, we are still sitting with a 165 ish score. It sucks to give up points to easier questions.
Rewrite - reorganizing the info can emphasize the missing piece in a more obvious way.
Traditional classroom education is ineffective. In the traditional classroom, the teacher acts from outside the group and interaction between teachers and students is rigid and artificial. Education in such an environment is not truly a social process. Only social processes can develop students' insights.
But what does student insights have to do with anything?
Prediction: If education is to be considered effective, it must develop student insights.
Education Effective -> Development of Insight
If education does NOT develop student insights, it is not effective.
/Development of Insight -> /Education Effective
D) Education is not effective unless it leads to the development of insight.
Negate sufficient.
Education Effective -> Development of Insight
Just as predicted.
So when I went into the ACs, I looked for something that said Education Effective and Development of Insight. Only D does that and the conditional relationship is correct.
Yesss finished with 45 seconds to spare. Build the confidence in your answer choice by assuming the Assumption before you read the answers. In these questions there is something missing, there is an assumption that is being made, predict what it is!
@Arthurxx look at the word choices they use. it is either C or D. social processes is not a main point of the conclusion. it is more about insight than being social. that's how I reason it. I don't use diagramming or contrapositives because it is not always needed. all the tricks they teach you are not necessary to get the correct answer. I asked someone who got a 172 on the test and he said all he did was look at the words they use and didn't diagram anything.
Got the last two of these right after getting some easier ones wrong. Definitely helps slowing down and highlighting the conclusion so I can see which answers actually support the conclusion.
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Quick Question. So when the premises are not really connected by anything(like in this question), then we don't have to use all of them to draw the conclusion? But if the premises are all connected, does that mean that they all have to be used to draw the conclusion? Just a little confused.
I think I get this question type for the most part, perhaps because I do well at finding the conclusion in an argument.
@deji Agreed. Finding the conclusion tends to be a easier skill for me, and it feels like it's 90% of the task in this question type!
So I got this one wrong the first time because I did not properly identify the conclusion.
Strangely, I'm understanding this. I think what really made me take out certain answer choices is when i know the pattern of how it flows is off. Obviously, I'm still checking for context, but if i see something that is out of order on how it was presented in the stimulus, then i'll cross it out. Also if whatever new info is introduced in the conclusion, I try to see which answer choices are mentioning it because then there would be no solid bridge between the premises to conclusion.
how am i getting all the harder ones right but the easier ones wrong. i am loosing my mind
@KeiraSinger SAMEEE BROUGHHH. PERFECT TIMING ON THESE TOO.
@KeiraSinger literally me tho
5 min over but I got it ! The thing that killed me on this one for some reason I couldn't stick the conclusion out. I thought it was buried somewhere int he middle. Goes to show that if you can't point out the conclusion its useless to reread the answer choices
picked B but got it right in BR
getting better with instincts on these!!
F&$*W these questions!!!
+2.52 on timing but I got this level 4 question right!!
Yay I got this one right! It did take me 5 minutes to break it down...
I dont know why I keep getting these wrong the first time but correct in the BR.
is it bad that I solved this without writing out the lawgic oop
erica how could that possibly be bad
@EricaFuentes Erica that's great
No clue why this one felt easy for me. I guess some questions click for certain people, considering I just got one that 85% of people get correct wrong. My logic on this was that the stim says the trad class is not effective because it lacks social process, and without that, the students can't develop insights. How does that relate? well it is explaining why it is ineffective, but the gap, what is left out, is stopping us from making this argument air-tight. If we place that in between, we can see.
Education is not effective unless it leads to the development of insight
Education in a trad class environment is not a social process
Only social processes can develop students' insights.
therefore class is ineffective
@TylerMadani021 literally...I found this one easy and got it under 45 seconds, but literally just got a level 1 question wrong that 97% of people got right lol.
@KeziaH19 This test can be infuriating, lmao. We just need to lock down the level 1-3s, then even if we get half of the 4 and 5s wrong, we are still sitting with a 165 ish score. It sucks to give up points to easier questions.
this does not make any sense
@HarveySpectator i am genuinely at a loss with these
I don't know how any of this makes sense to anyone. I am going back to the foundations.
Rewrite - reorganizing the info can emphasize the missing piece in a more obvious way.
Traditional classroom education is ineffective. In the traditional classroom, the teacher acts from outside the group and interaction between teachers and students is rigid and artificial. Education in such an environment is not truly a social process. Only social processes can develop students' insights.
But what does student insights have to do with anything?
Prediction: If education is to be considered effective, it must develop student insights.
Education Effective -> Development of Insight
If education does NOT develop student insights, it is not effective.
/Development of Insight -> /Education Effective
D) Education is not effective unless it leads to the development of insight.
Negate sufficient.
Education Effective -> Development of Insight
Just as predicted.
So when I went into the ACs, I looked for something that said Education Effective and Development of Insight. Only D does that and the conditional relationship is correct.
I'm actually so surprised I got this right considering it was more difficult than the previous SA questions, but I did go 1 minute over time lol
Yesss finished with 45 seconds to spare. Build the confidence in your answer choice by assuming the Assumption before you read the answers. In these questions there is something missing, there is an assumption that is being made, predict what it is!
Ive been getting them wrong at first but getting them right in the blind review... Its taking me about 2min.
I am getting these right... but it's taking me at least 10 minutes to answer these questions.
If one takes over 10 minutes to answer a question, one may be the definition of slow.
Damn choosing C confidently made me feel so smart at that moment lol.
@R.tired right???😭😭
Is there another way instead of mapping and contrapostivies? Its so hard and time consuming I don't know even if I can use it on test day.
@Arthurxx look at the word choices they use. it is either C or D. social processes is not a main point of the conclusion. it is more about insight than being social. that's how I reason it. I don't use diagramming or contrapositives because it is not always needed. all the tricks they teach you are not necessary to get the correct answer. I asked someone who got a 172 on the test and he said all he did was look at the words they use and didn't diagram anything.
Got the last two of these right after getting some easier ones wrong. Definitely helps slowing down and highlighting the conclusion so I can see which answers actually support the conclusion.
les go!!