No clue why this one felt easy for me. I guess some questions click for certain people, considering I just got one that 85% of people get correct wrong. My logic on this was that the stim says the trad class is not effective because it lacks social process, and without that, the students can't develop insights. How does that relate? well it is explaining why it is ineffective, but the gap, what is left out, is stopping us from making this argument air-tight. If we place that in between, we can see.
Education is not effective unless it leads to the development of insight
Education in a trad class environment is not a social process
Only social processes can develop students' insights.
@TylerMadani021 literally...I found this one easy and got it under 45 seconds, but literally just got a level 1 question wrong that 97% of people got right lol.
@KeziaH19 This test can be infuriating, lmao. We just need to lock down the level 1-3s, then even if we get half of the 4 and 5s wrong, we are still sitting with a 165 ish score. It sucks to give up points to easier questions.
Rewrite - reorganizing the info can emphasize the missing piece in a more obvious way.
Traditional classroom education is ineffective. In the traditional classroom, the teacher acts from outside the group and interaction between teachers and students is rigid and artificial. Education in such an environment is not truly a social process. Only social processes can develop students' insights.
But what does student insights have to do with anything?
Prediction: If education is to be considered effective, it must develop student insights.
Education Effective -> Development of Insight
If education does NOT develop student insights, it is not effective.
/Development of Insight -> /Education Effective
D) Education is not effective unless it leads to the development of insight.
Negate sufficient.
Education Effective -> Development of Insight
Just as predicted.
So when I went into the ACs, I looked for something that said Education Effective and Development of Insight. Only D does that and the conditional relationship is correct.
Yesss finished with 45 seconds to spare. Build the confidence in your answer choice by assuming the Assumption before you read the answers. In these questions there is something missing, there is an assumption that is being made, predict what it is!
@Arthurxx look at the word choices they use. it is either C or D. social processes is not a main point of the conclusion. it is more about insight than being social. that's how I reason it. I don't use diagramming or contrapositives because it is not always needed. all the tricks they teach you are not necessary to get the correct answer. I asked someone who got a 172 on the test and he said all he did was look at the words they use and didn't diagram anything.
Got the last two of these right after getting some easier ones wrong. Definitely helps slowing down and highlighting the conclusion so I can see which answers actually support the conclusion.
I went headhunting for an answer choice that says "interactions that are rigid and artificial are not social processes" and went with the only answer that looked like it smh.
i do not understand this one.... at all. The written description says that (D) is a variant of the first bridge, being "if traditional classroom education cannot develop students' insights, then it is ineffective." but (D) says "Education is not effective unless it leads to the development of insight." Can someone explain how these are variants? If they were variants wouldnt (D) say something like "Education is effective if it can develop students insights?" #plzzz #help
So, i got the answer right after a solid amount of time and extensive use of the negation test. But i stumbled upon a realization in figuring it out.
the question states "The educator's conclusion follows logically if which one of the following is assumed?". but there are TWO gaps that need to be filled for it to follow logically. We fill one with the ACs - but just because we assume that efficacy requires developing insights, does that mean that the conclusion follows?
No, because the conclusion says that traditional classrooms are ineffective, so we still need to show that they are not a social process for it to follow. So because it still doesnt follow, is the question stem definitionaly misleading or at least completley innacurate when it says that conclusion follows logically if D is assumed?
I am wondering how misleading the question stem is allowed to be on the LSAT? the stem here implies that the conclusion will follow logically once the assumption is made - but it doesnt, even with the correct answer assumed.
@Charles_ nvm, we are supposed to assume everything is true in the stim. it explicity states that traditional classrooms are not social processes, and even though that connection leaves much to be desired, we just assume its true. but the gap between the requirment of developing insight for efficacy is NOT explicily stated and absolutely requires an assumption for it to follow.
I understand why D is correct and I got it on the BR. But I don’t understand how we can rule out C. I chose C initially because the stim never defines a “social process” and C gives us a definition for that.
@Katehuber13 You are correct that it provides a definition, but the definition does nothing for the argument. From AC (C) we can infer that traditional classrooms are not social processes because the definition, as provided by AC (C), says that social processes are not rigid or artificial. The stimulus says the opposite about traditional classrooms. But this information is already stated in the second sentence of the stimulus, so AC (C) does nothing beside reiterate what is already stated in the stimulus, just in a different way. That's also a common trap in ACs for this question type.
New info (e.g. definitions) doesn't always do something to the stimulus! Hopefully that helps :-)
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+2.52 on timing but I got this level 4 question right!!
Yay I got this one right! It did take me 5 minutes to break it down...
I dont know why I keep getting these wrong the first time but correct in the BR.
is it bad that I solved this without writing out the lawgic oop
No clue why this one felt easy for me. I guess some questions click for certain people, considering I just got one that 85% of people get correct wrong. My logic on this was that the stim says the trad class is not effective because it lacks social process, and without that, the students can't develop insights. How does that relate? well it is explaining why it is ineffective, but the gap, what is left out, is stopping us from making this argument air-tight. If we place that in between, we can see.
Education is not effective unless it leads to the development of insight
Education in a trad class environment is not a social process
Only social processes can develop students' insights.
therefore class is ineffective
@TylerMadani021 literally...I found this one easy and got it under 45 seconds, but literally just got a level 1 question wrong that 97% of people got right lol.
@KeziaH19 This test can be infuriating, lmao. We just need to lock down the level 1-3s, then even if we get half of the 4 and 5s wrong, we are still sitting with a 165 ish score. It sucks to give up points to easier questions.
this does not make any sense
@HarveySpectator i am genuinely at a loss with these
I don't know how any of this makes sense to anyone. I am going back to the foundations.
Rewrite - reorganizing the info can emphasize the missing piece in a more obvious way.
Traditional classroom education is ineffective. In the traditional classroom, the teacher acts from outside the group and interaction between teachers and students is rigid and artificial. Education in such an environment is not truly a social process. Only social processes can develop students' insights.
But what does student insights have to do with anything?
Prediction: If education is to be considered effective, it must develop student insights.
Education Effective -> Development of Insight
If education does NOT develop student insights, it is not effective.
/Development of Insight -> /Education Effective
D) Education is not effective unless it leads to the development of insight.
Negate sufficient.
Education Effective -> Development of Insight
Just as predicted.
So when I went into the ACs, I looked for something that said Education Effective and Development of Insight. Only D does that and the conditional relationship is correct.
I'm actually so surprised I got this right considering it was more difficult than the previous SA questions, but I did go 1 minute over time lol
Yesss finished with 45 seconds to spare. Build the confidence in your answer choice by assuming the Assumption before you read the answers. In these questions there is something missing, there is an assumption that is being made, predict what it is!
Ive been getting them wrong at first but getting them right in the blind review... Its taking me about 2min.
I am getting these right... but it's taking me at least 10 minutes to answer these questions.
If one takes over 10 minutes to answer a question, one may be the definition of slow.
Damn choosing C confidently made me feel so smart at that moment lol.
@R.tired right???😭😭
Is there another way instead of mapping and contrapostivies? Its so hard and time consuming I don't know even if I can use it on test day.
@Arthurxx look at the word choices they use. it is either C or D. social processes is not a main point of the conclusion. it is more about insight than being social. that's how I reason it. I don't use diagramming or contrapositives because it is not always needed. all the tricks they teach you are not necessary to get the correct answer. I asked someone who got a 172 on the test and he said all he did was look at the words they use and didn't diagram anything.
Got the last two of these right after getting some easier ones wrong. Definitely helps slowing down and highlighting the conclusion so I can see which answers actually support the conclusion.
les go!!
#help I keep confusing P and C. What is the best lesson to refresh on this? Any tips?
@esimone98 P is premise, is conclusion. I don't exactly remember the lesson name, sorry. Causal relationships might be it?
@esimone98 Arguments!
right on first try and wrong on blind review lol. Still happy with myself.
I went headhunting for an answer choice that says "interactions that are rigid and artificial are not social processes" and went with the only answer that looked like it smh.
i do not understand this one.... at all. The written description says that (D) is a variant of the first bridge, being "if traditional classroom education cannot develop students' insights, then it is ineffective." but (D) says "Education is not effective unless it leads to the development of insight." Can someone explain how these are variants? If they were variants wouldnt (D) say something like "Education is effective if it can develop students insights?" #plzzz #help
I got this one right, but C was tempting. I think what helped was honing in on the argument.
So, i got the answer right after a solid amount of time and extensive use of the negation test. But i stumbled upon a realization in figuring it out.
the question states "The educator's conclusion follows logically if which one of the following is assumed?". but there are TWO gaps that need to be filled for it to follow logically. We fill one with the ACs - but just because we assume that efficacy requires developing insights, does that mean that the conclusion follows?
No, because the conclusion says that traditional classrooms are ineffective, so we still need to show that they are not a social process for it to follow. So because it still doesnt follow, is the question stem definitionaly misleading or at least completley innacurate when it says that conclusion follows logically if D is assumed?
I am wondering how misleading the question stem is allowed to be on the LSAT? the stem here implies that the conclusion will follow logically once the assumption is made - but it doesnt, even with the correct answer assumed.
@Charles_ nvm, we are supposed to assume everything is true in the stim. it explicity states that traditional classrooms are not social processes, and even though that connection leaves much to be desired, we just assume its true. but the gap between the requirment of developing insight for efficacy is NOT explicily stated and absolutely requires an assumption for it to follow.
Ok for the logic of the minor argument could you do:
Develop Insight(DI)---> Social Process(SP)
Traditional Classroom(TC) -->/SP
Take the contrapositive
SP--> /TC
then chain the conditionals
DI--> SP---> /TC
DI--/TC
I didn't kick TC into the domain. Is this correct and how could I continue the argument without kicking it up into the domain?
I understand why D is correct and I got it on the BR. But I don’t understand how we can rule out C. I chose C initially because the stim never defines a “social process” and C gives us a definition for that.
@Katehuber13 You are correct that it provides a definition, but the definition does nothing for the argument. From AC (C) we can infer that traditional classrooms are not social processes because the definition, as provided by AC (C), says that social processes are not rigid or artificial. The stimulus says the opposite about traditional classrooms. But this information is already stated in the second sentence of the stimulus, so AC (C) does nothing beside reiterate what is already stated in the stimulus, just in a different way. That's also a common trap in ACs for this question type.
New info (e.g. definitions) doesn't always do something to the stimulus! Hopefully that helps :-)
got it right but took forever with mapping anything out