I gotta remember to read the entire AC before eliminating it. I already knew that "recent proposals are ill-advised" was the conclusion, so when D) began with "It is a conclusion...", I immediately crossed it out in lieu of C) since the latter framed it as support. If I'd read the entire AC, I would've seen that it wasn't suggesting the statement as being the main conclusion.
The word "because" is my weapon for determining support relationships. If I'm not sure what is a conclusion and what is support, I'll take the two statements and put "because" between them. If I get a sentence that makes sense, the first statement is the conclusion and the second statement is the premise. If the sentence I get doesn't quite make sense, I switch the two statements around and leave the word "because" between them. One way or the other should make sense as a complete sentence. You should be able to sense the support relationship this way because we use "because" all the time in natural English. This trick works with determining the major conclusion and subconclusion as well. That's how I avoided reading this stimulus all wrong.
You are not an idiot, the LSAT writers bank on us missing this. It's been a long time since we last reviewed these lessons so I need to go back to review them. It was both sub premise and sub conclusion but I leaned on the side of premise smh.
this question is a good practice for distinguishing sub conclusions and main conclusions; and to know the fact that a sub conclusion will have sub premises
SAME. It's mostly been because of reading too fast in hopes to get through this quickly, or confusion on definitions (looking at you, "qualifies"). It's a relief to get a level 4 right.
Even though this took me 7:02, I'm glad I reread AC D, and chose it. I was stuck between C & D, but after slowing down and realizing that the premise was not indirectly supporting the conclusion as stated in C, I went with D.
This question is a reason I read through all the answers and use process of elimination - even when I'm confident in the answer. Answer paranoia is useful in situations like this when you might not catch the reason why it's right by just skimming. It's a conclusion - more than that, it's a sub-conclusion!
I got it right but it took me like 3 mins cuz I was stuck on C, they both sounded good in my head and would talk myself into making ti correct, any help on how I can speed up the process?
@erarabiameyer C and D are literally the definitions of "minor premise" and "major premise" respectively.
if you can clearly understand what minor and major premises are, you should be able to quickly identify them as soon as you've read the stimulus. then go hunting. not POE. this of course, depends on whether you can first identify main point and any premise apart.
I am really struggling with these, I have even pulled up the old notes on how to know what is a premise or a conclusion. From using those I knew this was a conclusion but D's wordiness is what confused me, I really dont know what else to do with these questions I have gotten maybe 2 right this whole unit
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I gotta remember to read the entire AC before eliminating it. I already knew that "recent proposals are ill-advised" was the conclusion, so when D) began with "It is a conclusion...", I immediately crossed it out in lieu of C) since the latter framed it as support. If I'd read the entire AC, I would've seen that it wasn't suggesting the statement as being the main conclusion.
Exactly the same thing happened to me. 'A conclusion... supporting the MAIN conclusion'. Damn!
absolutely did the same thing
SAMEEEE
I hope I never meet an LSAT writer.
For if I do, then I will go to jail.
C: I hope I never meet an LSAT writer.
P: For if I do, then I will go to jail.
That is a conditional premise. Have we learned how to handle an argument in such instances? /s
ON SIGHT FHAM WALLAHI
Me seconds before getting it right: I dont know, this is a weird one.
Me seconds after getting it right: Just like I thought. Elementary really.
lmao
LOOOL
oh my gosh it's Confused_potato1!! I've missed you in the comments section
Immediately identified it as a sub-conclusion!! So happy that I am understanding the flow of these questions.
smh I forgot sub conclusions exist
I was sacrificing confidence for speed... I should have read more... you got me lsac.. HA......
That's been me on so many of these questions.
The word "because" is my weapon for determining support relationships. If I'm not sure what is a conclusion and what is support, I'll take the two statements and put "because" between them. If I get a sentence that makes sense, the first statement is the conclusion and the second statement is the premise. If the sentence I get doesn't quite make sense, I switch the two statements around and leave the word "because" between them. One way or the other should make sense as a complete sentence. You should be able to sense the support relationship this way because we use "because" all the time in natural English. This trick works with determining the major conclusion and subconclusion as well. That's how I avoided reading this stimulus all wrong.
This is so helpful!
I love these so much. I legit had nightmares about NA and SA.
i stopped reading at conclusion and decided that it's wrong because I automatically associated conclusion with main conclusion. smh
didn't even bother to properly read it in BR
100000% same
i am an idiot and i did the same thing. completely forgot abt sub-conclusions. whoops.
You are not an idiot, the LSAT writers bank on us missing this. It's been a long time since we last reviewed these lessons so I need to go back to review them. It was both sub premise and sub conclusion but I leaned on the side of premise smh.
We are so back after that ridiculously hard NA section.
@Arthurxx i feel this so much. the NA section broke my soul
@NylaWhite fr I gave up and skipped it. I will be going back to it after this sections -.-
aint no way
this question is a good practice for distinguishing sub conclusions and main conclusions; and to know the fact that a sub conclusion will have sub premises
I got overconfident...
Not going to lie, I was so confident I didn't really read the other answer choices. Lesson learned!
holy shit i suck at these
LETS GO WE ARE SOOOOOOOO BACK
I'm getting so upset :(
frick as I was going through the stimulus, I marked it as the sub-conclusion/ major premise. I didn't fully read D and eliminated it prematurely :(
Sameee
about damn time i got one right
SAME. It's mostly been because of reading too fast in hopes to get through this quickly, or confusion on definitions (looking at you, "qualifies"). It's a relief to get a level 4 right.
I had it but then doubted myself!! Darn it.
Even though this took me 7:02, I'm glad I reread AC D, and chose it. I was stuck between C & D, but after slowing down and realizing that the premise was not indirectly supporting the conclusion as stated in C, I went with D.
D went the long way in defining a sub-conclusion.
I got it right buttt, I was 54 seconds over the time.
@NhubriaChikaka Same, got it right but 48s over the time, we got this!
UGH I misread the first sentence not once but twice.
This question is a reason I read through all the answers and use process of elimination - even when I'm confident in the answer. Answer paranoia is useful in situations like this when you might not catch the reason why it's right by just skimming. It's a conclusion - more than that, it's a sub-conclusion!
@catintheLSAT yep!
I got it right but it took me like 3 mins cuz I was stuck on C, they both sounded good in my head and would talk myself into making ti correct, any help on how I can speed up the process?
@erarabiameyer C and D are literally the definitions of "minor premise" and "major premise" respectively.
if you can clearly understand what minor and major premises are, you should be able to quickly identify them as soon as you've read the stimulus. then go hunting. not POE. this of course, depends on whether you can first identify main point and any premise apart.
I am really struggling with these, I have even pulled up the old notes on how to know what is a premise or a conclusion. From using those I knew this was a conclusion but D's wordiness is what confused me, I really dont know what else to do with these questions I have gotten maybe 2 right this whole unit