Hi everyone,

I have finished the CC and have taken 3 PTs (36,37 and 39) scoring 149, 149 and 152 respectively with blind review scores of low 170s for all three. As reflected in my blind review score, the content is not the main issue for me but rather timing is. I have missed 1 game and 1 one RC passage for the past three timed exams and constantly miss around 6-7 questions per LR section. I am currently in the process of fool proofing games from PT 1-35 so I hope by September I am able to finish all the games in 35 minutes, but I am wondering what do you recommend for timing especially for LR sections? Do you think the jump from 149 to 166+ is reasonable with two months of full-time studying (45hr/week) focusing on timed practice? Also, since my BR is higher than my actual score currently, do you think its okay to start taking 2 PTs/week?

Thank you all in advance!

Hi everyone,

Today I just did my first timed test

My weakest section was definitely RC (I feel like i spent too much time on the third passage and rushed through the last one, I dont really know what happened) and best was the LG (completely messed up the first game though). I am about to do my first BR.

I did the "learning" and the drills in our course. I have been studying constantly for nearly 2 months now.

I was feeling really down about this and feel terrible about myselif, in general. I wanted to know how you all saw the most improvement in your scores. I want to bring mine up, ideally, another 15 points. I wanted to know what your suggestions to improve were. Should I keep doing timed tests and BRs or should I get a prepbook or a tutor? I know it is only my first PT, and I intend to do the most recent (as of 50).

Any advice would be really appreciated. :(

People who take the LSAT tend to be driven, which is a good thing. But many of us try to get things done by cutting down on sleep. It may seem counterintuitive, but you’ll get more done in less time if you’ve got a full night of sleep, rather than cut down on your precious snooze time.

I speak from experience. I used to be someone who lived by all nighters. Sure, I got things done. I would’ve gotten a lot more done in less time if I had a full night’s sleep. Sleep deprivation seriously slowed my processing speed, affected my mood, and studies show that it can actually lead you to over eat. When I discovered the book Power Sleep, by James Maas. It literally changed my life. My SAT score went up 150 points to the 99th percentile, not from additional study - I just got a good night’s sleep before my retake!

Here are some key points:

First let’s define a proper night’s sleep. I’m not talking about “getting by” on 5-6 hours. Your ability to process information is impaired with those limited hours. Especially if you’re taking something as intense as the LSAT.

To get adequate sleep you need anywhere from 8 to 10 hours. LeBron James is reported to get 12. Yes —That’s half the day. A good rule of thumb is that you’ll have enough sleep so that although you set your alarm clock, you’ll get up a bit before it – in essence, you won’t need your alarm clock. If that’s eight for me or ten for someone else, the point is that’s your number and you’ll function so much better with that amount of sleep.

The analogy I often use with my students is that it’s like having a laptop that is super slow at opening applications. That’s what my brain feels like when I don’t get enough sleep. Everything seem to take longer – almost painfully.

And trust me, I can tell when my students aren’t getting enough sleep. If we hadn’t had the conversation yet, that’s usually when we talk about sleep. And I feel for them, because I was that student and it looks so painful on the other end :)

Here are some key tips to proper sleep:

Set a regular sleep schedule. Despite misconceptions, it’s not like you really can make up sleep that you missed during the week or weekend (read about it in Power Sleep). So try to get that 8 to 10 hours consistently each night - and at the same times.

If you know that you’ve got your LSAT exam at a certain time, make sure that your sleep time is habituated for it well in advance.

Having trouble sleeping?

make sure that all lights and devices are off. If you live in a sunny climate like me, consider getting black out curtains if necessary.

Speaking of devices, you can use features like the sleep clock on iPhone to prompt you when it’s time to go to bed and keep you on a proper sleep cycle.

Limit caffeine intake before bed.

Perhaps my favorite — read an actual book before bed. Not a device, an actual paper format book. It’s old-school but if there’s no glare, and if it bores you to sleep even better!

Feel free to contact me with any questions on this or anything LSAT related.

I'm trying to figure out how to get my proper BR score. While I PT I flag the questions I missed and the questions I didn't do because I ran out of time (generally marked with the same AC if they are all consecutive and towards the end). Should I :

A) Do flagged questions and then score the timed PT and the BRd PT

B) Do flagged questions, check to see if I missed any questions I didn’t flag (without checking/remembering what the correct AC was) do those, keep ACs I chose for flagged questions and then score the timed PT and BRd PT?

C) Score the Bad PT twice: once after doing flagged questions and then once after doing the questions that were wrong but I did not circle them (I will just keep note of the first BR score after doing just flagged questions)

I do not intend to score the flagged question attempt if I still got it wrong or chose the wrong AC after BRing--I will just go review it, watch the video explanation and come back to it another time.

This is mainly for LR. I plan on just doing the LG section untimed, drilling it until I am under target time for each game and at 100% accuracy and then I will add the correct AC to that section in the BR score. I also plan on doing the RC section untimed to make and scoring that section into BR score.

I am also working with a blank copy (writing in July so just in case) but would like to know how any of this may be possible with digital because I plan to write in September as well.

I took international test and got my first official score today.

I have 13 weeks to study, and want to ask what would be the best course of action.

It was non-disclosed, so I don't really know how I did on each section. but I've been PTing at 164 for like 10 tests in a row.

For RC, I skipped the last passage totally and didn't even read the passage, skipping 5Q.

For LR, I skipped parallel questions and logic heavy questions(I think 5~6Q total from both LR sections) initially and came back afterwards to check if D is indeed the right answer.

I've done 22 PTs from PT 50+ so far, and have 17 fresh ones from PT 50+.

I've came up with three plans, but can't decide which one would be better.

Plan 1)

wk 1~3: CC + Manhattan prep LR book, 4 games, 2 passages every day

wk 4~13: 2 PTs / wk (1 used PT, 1 fresh PT)

Plan 2)

wk 1~13: 2 PTs / wk (1 used PT, 1 fresh PT)

Plan 3)

wk 1~3: 1LR timed section, 4 games, 2 passages every day.

I can't decide on what to do next. I've been getting the same score for last two months of PTs, so there might be something wrong with my current studying method... is 3 months enough to get 170+?

Hi all,

On the paper LSAT, we had (aspirational) strategies for pacing like first five/fifteen questions in the first five/fifteen mins. Is there something similar you use for the digital LSAT? How do you handle pacing in LR in particular on the digital test?

On the paper LSAT, I try to get the first 4 pages done in ~15-18 minutes so that I had the remaining time for the last two pages. It's hard to translate this to the digital LSAT.

I suppose, I could try to get the first 13-15 questions done in ~15-18 minutes.

From looking at 3 random tests, the LR question breakdown is:

page 2- question 6-8

page 4-question 13-15

page 6- question 18-21

page 8- question 25-26

In terms of RC and LG--my timing strategies have stayed the same.

Does anyone know what kind of scholarship I can get to Cardozo and or Fordham with a 165?

My GPA was around a 3.9.

I'm applying this year and I'm looking to go to reputable school without taking on much debt, if at all.

Thanks a lot.

It’s amazing to me how many factors go into how well you ultimately perform on test day beyond studying for months. For me, I noticed that simple things, like incorporating (light) exercise into my life, eating more protein, and doing a light jog before the test helped. As far as strategy, last time I focused on skipping to questions I can more easily answer first helped me get through section quicker.

What has improved results for you? Thought it’d be a nice topic for last minute tips and tidbits before July!

I usually wake up early around 5:30am to study LSAT before work. I am wondering if there's anyone also like to study in the morning? What do you start with your morning study? I usually do some PT questions the night before and start with reviewing the question in the morning (first thing to do) or I will start with some lectures classes(gives my brain some time to wake up while listening to explanation LOL). how do you start with your morning study routine?

Hi, all,

I've taken about a 4 month break from the LSAT do to personal reasons and just simply giving up. However, I am proud to announce that I am back and aiming to take the October 2019 LSAT.

Considering the LSAT is now digital, how should I resume? I was floating around the 155 range when I stopped and my break down was as follows:

Games: -2 to -6 on games (I've had perfect sections once or twice)

LR: -11 on the easier LR and -12-13 on the harder LR (My BR isn't much higher, i really need to work on my LR foundation)

RC: -15 on RC - Never really practiced this, I plan to go through the CC portion or the LSAT trainer on this section.

I'm aiming for 160, but please let me know what a reasonable jump is in about 15-16 weeks.

Any advice is MUCH appreciated, I am also open to PM's. THANKS!

By this I mean: how do you tackle each section, under time constraints?

For example, in LR I will skip a question that will take up half the page because it will just suck my time.

For RC, I will tackle the subjects I am more familiar with or have an easier time understanding (econ, science).

For LG, I will sometimes skip the last quesiton in the section, depending on how much time I think it will take. I also bounce around in each game, depending on the game and what I see.

Does anyone else have anything to help with the time constraints? I am just beginning to time myself now that I have finished "learning".

:)

Hi, I’ve been studying for the LSAT for 1.5 months now. I finished all three PowerScore Bibles and just started going through Fox’s LR Encyclopedia that drills LR in PTs 40-60 (haven’t even gone through half of this book yet, his explanations are bad). I’ve also been trying to foolproof LG, but I’ve only done about 10 so far and have noticed some improvement; I believe more improvement will come with time as I go through more foolproofing.

I have PTs 19-72. My diagnostic score was 143 on PT 19. After 1.5 months of doing the above, my score on PT 63 was 148 with a BR score of 158.

I initially wanted to take the LSAT in September and October to apply for this upcoming cycle, but I feel that postponing it would benefit me more. I’m willing to take a gap year and work full time as I will be graduating from undergrad in December. I’m aiming for a 170+ and will probably take the LSAT sometime in early 2020.

My question is, which 7Sage package should I get?

I plan to study 4-5 hours per day almost every day of the week and more on weekends as I’m working full time now.

What PTs would be left over/fresh to use after completing the course?

Also, how long would it take to go through the course curriculum? I plan to spend the time after the course for PTs.

One concern I have is that if I get a certain package, what if the video explanations or drills are useless to me because I’ve already been exposed to those materials from my previous study in PowerScore and Fox’s Encyclopedia (PTs 40-60, but again I have barely gone through this).

Hey,

I started my prep with 7sage ultimate + around May 15th. I was initially planning on taking my first attempt in September but now after finishing CC and 2 weeks of drilling I've taken 2 PTs scoring 157 in one (171 BR) and 156 in the other (164 BR). My goal is to get a 170. I don't know if its normal to start the first few PTs with such a low score and then jump up. Looking for any advice as to how many PTs I should be taking each week (was thinking of doing 2) and any other advice would be appreciated!

Hi guys, wondering if anyone with really good time management strats can reach out to me. I am consistently PTing in the mid to low 160s but I go over the time limit on at least one or two sections and I need to really cut this down. I am writing July but will most likely have to write October unless the lsat gods themselves bless me on the 15th and I walk out with a 160+ under time constraints.

Any help is amazing!

Hi, I just recently purchased the 7sage ultimate. I have been studying for about a month now, with somewhere around 25 hours a week. I took my first Practice Test with the June 2007 diagnostic and got -28, which is a 156. Granted, this isnt a cold diagnostic as I finished most of the CC, just not all of the Problem Sets.

I got -6 on the LG, only doing 2 questions on the last game.

-17 in total on the two LR sections and -5 on the RC.

Being brutally honest, is it possible to get to a 170 by the October test date? 25 hours a week was pretty low commitment and I can do somewhere between 5-6 hours a day 7 days a week no problem.

What is a good study plan? I was planning to just do practice tests and blind review, while clearly focusing on LR and LG whenever Im not doing PT.

How do you do blind review with the problem sets when checking your answers? All I see are the correct answers when I go to check my first rounds answers

I just did my first PT which included 2 question types I have never encountered before: Substitution Equivalence LG questions and a Comparative RC Passage. It was pretty stunning to first see them since I have done the entire CC and they were never mentioned. I found the hidden SE lesson in the upper PTs and I dug around a little bit and found JYs strat for Comparative RC but now I'm wondering:

Are there any other new question types from recent PTs that are not part of the CC?

If so, where can I find resources to tackle them?

Can someone tell me what watches are permitted for the paper exam? Thank you. Best of luck studying.

I wanted to know if its possible to use the same LOR and get additional (2) letters?

Or should I just use new LOR for this upcoming cycle?

hey guys im freaking out because i just looked at my admission ticket for July 15th test and it says my first name but then Toronto as my last name. I read that i will have to submit written request to have it changed and it would take 3-5 business days. Am i screwed for July???? Can it still be processed in time???

#help

Hi all and thanks in advance. Is my method of approach optimal?

My target goal is 170+ by Nov and I began studying in Feb. I did not do a baseline BR / PT. I finished Mike Kim's LSAT Trainer, I've done about 4-5 timed PT's and BR's.

I am working through the Lawschooli LR curriculum and will focus on 7sage's LG videos afterwards. My weak points are...everything. In BR I do well on LG but struggle in LR and RC. Is my approach apt if I want to get 170+ in Nov?

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This is a bit old and doesn't add a whole lot to this discussion that folks here won't already know, but I really like the simplicity of this part and I share this specifically to echo this sentiment:

If you know you have to be a lawyer, you should probably go to law school. . . If you aren't sure whether you want to be a lawyer or not, do not go to law school. Full stop. End of discussion. That's it.

My high school band director had a policy to do everything he could to dissuade any student considering majoring in music. I was a hardcore band nerd and knew I was going to major in music. I had already earned quite a large scholarship and was pretty much set. So, he pulled me out of rehearsal one day and we talked and he told me all the reasons I shouldn't major in music. He explained to me that if I could be talked out of it, if he could even plant a seed of doubt in my mind, that music was absolutely not for me. Music is a hard profession and most people that go into it are never able to make a living. I majored in English, and I'm forever grateful to Mr. Goff for that conversation.

I think Rainer Maria Rilke--the greatest poet most people have never heard of--put it best (as usual) in Letters to a Young Poet.

This above all--ask yourself in the stillest hour of your night: must I [be a lawyer]? Delve into yourself for a deep answer. And if this should be affirmative, if you may meet this earnest question with a strong and simple "I must," then build your life according to this necessity; your life even into its most indifferent and slightest hour must be a sign of this urge and a testimony to it.

Hi Everyone. I'm reaching out for advice. I've taken about 6 practice tests and my practice test score has consistently stayed at 148 while my BR is between 161-167. I'm really excited about the BR score since my practice test goal score is the 160's, but I'm trying to figure out why my practice test score has stayed the same. Does anyone have any advice on bridging the gap between the practice and BR score and/or understanding why the practice test score is staying stagnant?

Hey guys,

In the last two months I've been getting really good results on my practice tests. I've been getting anywhere from 169 to 174, but those were PT35-50s.

On Wdnesday I took PT 84 and got a 166 and then I got a 165 today on PT 87, which was administered last month.

Are the recent tests really this much harder? I'm trying to calm myself because I was really confident to take the July exam, and now I'm back to square one (I got a 164 last year and resumed studying May of this year).

I'm extremely disappointed because I had thought the 7Sage CC has really helped me understand the essence of arguments and how to approach the exam in general. I really wanted a higher score so that I can lessen the burden that my wife has to carry as the sole provider while I go to law school. I had sacrificed all of my shifts at my job as an investment to get a higher score, and I feel like all of that has been wasted.

Any advice? I thought on Wednesday I wasn't in a very good condition but today I was totally fine. Still a lower score. I'm about to lose it.

Thanks for listening though.