Hey everyone,

I recently completed the June LSAT and scored a 169. I know it's a good score, but it was under my target of 170, so I've decided to take it again in September before applying in October.

So far I've only studied on my own (that is, without a formal class), using LSAT PrepTest books and the logic games tutorials provided on this website. I've gotten pretty good at logic games, consistently scoring between 0-2. However, I'm less consistent at logical reasoning and reading comprehension. On average, I miss 3 per section, but it can vary between 0-6. I was regularly scoring 170-173 in the timed preptests I took leading up to the June LSAT, but I performed poorly on the reading comprehension section, which led to me scoring below my practice scores.

I'm now considering buying the LSAT Ultimate + course in order to guide my study over the next two months. I can spend 15 hours per week studying for the LSAT. So I'm wondering: is buying the LSAT Ultimate + worth it in terms of nailing down consistency in scoring in the low 170s in LR and RC? And if so, what what you recommend I focus on given the time available to me to study?

my question is : why don't more ppl quit their jobs to study for the LSAT -- if they are financially able to do so?

i understand that for many ppl, they need to work to pay off loans, living expenses, etc (which are all reasons to do have a job). But I'm more asking for those who have enough savings, family support, etc (where finances would not be a problem).

I'm in favor of part-time work and volunteering when full-time studying for the LSAT (much needed mental breaks is important). But what I'm really confused is why people with demanding 60-hour a week jobs who can't get enough LSAT studying in don't just quit their jobs to study for the LSAT?

the LSAT is the most important part of your application. It's like weighted 4-5 times more than your GPA.

If someone has military experience, tons of prestigious extracurricular activities and awards, and other additional amazing work experiences, but has a 150 LSAT score, it's going to be really tough to get into a t14 law school.

Contrast that to a K-JD candidate who has no work experience but a 175 LSAT score -- who will most likely get into many if not most of the T14.

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A 170+ LSAT score can literally change your life -- and save you hundreds of thousands of dollars. It will allow you attend a T14 law school and open up many many doors to you --BigLaw, federal clerkships, etc. Many T-20 law schools will also give you full scholarships worth up to $200,000 for a 170+ LSAT score.

Given how important the LSAT is, why don't more people devote themselves to it? The expected rate of return for a 170+ LSAT score and its impact it'll have on saving you money (potentially 200k) and opening up doors for you is MUCH MORE than working as paralegal making 30k a year and not having enough time to adequately prep for the LSAT.

We all know how much work the LSAT takes. Many ppl do upwards of 60 PT's before they take the real test.

Why do people settle for less and allow a 50-hour a week paralegal job (for example) prevent them from reaching their goals?

Financially, those 50 hours are much more valuable when used studying for the LSAT (considering how many hundreds of thousands of dollars you'll potentially save with a 170+ Lsat score)

I’ve already taken it and was wondering if I should take a diagnostic before starting to study again or if I could rely on my last official LSAT score as my diagnostic. It was last month’s administration so very recent. Thank you!

This is a somewhat off topic post, but I recently decided to check out Stanford's free online philosophy encyclopedia (plato.stanford.edu) and found it to be a tremendous resource. It contains a staggering amount of posts on theories/thinkers ranging from antiquity to now (there's a ton of material for any nerds of legal theory) and, considering some of the subject matter, is written in a clear and understandable way. If you ever have some spare time and are even remotely interested I'd recommend checking it out at some point

Hello, I just finished my CC, took 36, 37, and improved 10 points from the last PT of another company (Smh on my poor bank account...). I am still aiming to improve much more until September...

Anyways, I've improved greatly on LG and RC, but not too much on LR. I am continually doing BR right after the timed PTs.

My study schedule says I should be taking 3-4 PTs a week... I don't think this is very realistic and effective.

I'm taking time off from literally everything, but with BR, I may be able to squeeze in 3 PTs, but for sure, 2 solid PTs.

My ultimate goal is to take the September exam, but I'll also be taking the one in July.

I believe these two are my available options:

If so, how many, and which ones to skip over?

or

If so, also, how many per week?

Also, if you have any suggestions in terms of improving LR, I would greatly appreciate it. I'm thinking that I should just go back to the CC and look for drills for those sections...

Thank you!!

Hi!

I've started my 7Sage course this week and I've just finished up until learning how to BR. I guess the serious business only starts after that.

I'm registered for the October LSAT in Abu Dhabi (hence the odd date) and aiming for a 170+. I did a diagnostic from Khan Academy and got a 150.

With barely 3 months to study, do you have tips on how to best optimize my studying? Initially I thought of spending 2 months on the CC and then PT-ing in the month to follow.

Also I'll add, I realise that I am studying at an extremely slow pace, slower than the time stamps next to each topic :(

I don't know...please help!

I took the September 2017 LSATs after almost a year's worth of studying with the Kaplan LSAT prep. I was devastated after scoring a 155, because I felt that the score did not reflect the amount of energy and dedication I poured into studying for the LSATs. I had to stop studying for a couple months because of the sheer disappointment and lack of confidence I felt. I decided to try 7sage after my friend recommended it. I didn't have much hope for it because I would only have 4 months of studying for the June LSATs (started studying with 7sage on Jan). During and even after the exam I didn't feel so hot but I ended up with a 166. I know many people here have scored much higher but I was so elated and happy with my score. I credit it to 7sage and the 7sage community, hope everyone who took their June LSATs are happy with their scores as well. I just wanted to say if I improved, anyone has the potential to.

I just finished the causation and phenomenon portion of the course. For the most part I understand the concepts, but I was only averaging 4/5 correct on the problem sets. Should I take the time now to review these types of questions or is it best to just continue through the course?

I was lazily scrolling through NBA instagram while procrastinating my BR and what with all of the free agency rumors and team changes going on, I noticed MANY conditional statements throughout as well as some slightly convoluted arguments/hypotheses.

Here are a few of the best ones I found that I wanted to share with you all, as proof that the LSAT invades every aspect of our lives!! Feel free to work out the logic translations if you want to. Hopefully some NBA fans (and maybe even non-fans) can find some enjoyment from this.

Starting off simple:

https://imgur.com/lV6xKH6

Regarding trading Kawhi Leonard to the Lakers:

https://imgur.com/BWkzld6

same post comments, continued

https://imgur.com/clB4D0I

Argument regarding what the Celtics should do to compete with GSW:

https://imgur.com/2uEUEzx

My favorite:

https://imgur.com/XqbkOqO

People are upset:

https://imgur.com/B1zCwvK

I'm also happy to explain/give more context to anyone who is curious about what in the world is going on.

I’m curious as to how long i.e. how many months you are studying for prior to taking the LSAT.

I've been studying since April. just took the June test, I wanted to use it as a benchmark to see how the test was/how I would do. I signed up for the July test, but after some studying I realized it might be better to wait until September to take it again. I missed the cutoff date for the refund though. Should I just take July and September or take the loss and cancel July?

With regards to Canadian Law schools should you let the schools know you are also taking the nov lsat if the deadline to apply is November 1st. Or will they be able to see that you are registered to take it . Thank you

Hi all,

Would love to hear anyone's thoughts on this. I have been studying for the last 6 months and am set to take the July test in a couple weeks. Depending on the score I get, I had planned on taking the September test as well. However, I just found out a dear friend is getting married on September 8th, the exact same day..

What are everyone's thoughts on taking the November test for this coming cycle? Is it too late? I will have already taken the July test, and will have already applied to most/all of my schools by then. Really curious if people think it is worth it to take the November test for the coming cycle with a July test already on the books.

Thanks!

I was originally scheduled to take the LSAT at Montclair State but got notified about a month out that I was rescheduled to a hotel in Newark (the Hilton I think) and that didn't sound appealing to me at all. I'd read too many LSAT hotel horror stories. I wrote to LSAC and they agreed to my request to change to Seton Hall (which is actually closer to my home) without issue or fee.

Proctors: My proctors were fine - a little whispery once or twice but nothing major. Felt very rote and by the book, no real issues.

Facilities: The test was held in Stafford Hall which is a new, clean building full of classrooms. There were probably about 20 people assigned to each room and everyone was pretty spaced out by a desk or two, not at all crowded. Desks were standard size, comfortable enough for booklet and answer sheet.

What kind of room: see above

How many in the room: see above

Desks: see above

Left-handed accommodation: n/a

Noise levels: My individual classroom was very quiet and the students were respectful and orderly

Parking: There was copious free parking in a parking deck very close to the test building

Time elapsed from arrival to test: This was the worst! My only major complaint was a ridiculous wait in a long line that went outside the building and wound down and around another building. I arrived at noon and waited in the already long formed line for a full 40 minutes before any one was let in the building. This sucked! It was hot and everyone was pretty edgy - it's a crappy way to lead up to the test, waiting forever outside standing in line with no updates or idea what was going on. Once inside - we quickly found our names and room assignments. Check in was smooth from that point forward.

Irregularities or mishaps: Nothing after long wait to get in.

Other comments:

Would you take the test here again? Sure - since the accommodations were good other than the ridiculous wait.

Date[s] of Exam[s]: Monday, June 11, 2018 1:00

7Sagers,

On Thursday, July 12, at 9 p.m. ET, I’ll walk you through the factors that affect your chances of admission. Afterwards, members of the 7Sage admissions team will field your questions.

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→ Please register for the webinar (July 12, 2018 @ 9:00 p.m. ET) here: https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_xvshq1iqQ-G15KK1Wy8Hmg

After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the webinar.

Zoom might prompt you to download something before you can join the webinar, so I’d advise you to show up a bit early on Thursday.

I have been PTing for several weeks after completing the Ultimate CC. However, I felt the need to upgrade to Ultimate + due to the lack of improvement. How should I proceed to study for the September LSAT? Should I redo the CC or simply finish the new Problem sets before PTing again?

Thanks!

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Seriously, just brag about your progress-- big or small. Don't humblebrag; own it. Talk to me about your score increases, timing improvements, confidence boosts, etc. (Feel free to add in any tips!)

I quit my job to study LSAT(commuting was a burden so I thought this would be time-efficient). Which will give me a min.6months to max 1year blank on my resume. Will this be alright when I apply to law school? I am not young and it's been quite a while since I graduated so I'm concerned about this..even my previous career has nothing related to law. what do you guys think?

So I took PT 38 on Monday after taking a break for a week and getting back into the groove... I know it's not a huge improvement but I'm trying to celebrate small victories to help myself stay positive.

I had an 8 point jump from my diagnostic! I still have a lot of work to do before I hit my target score and BR goal but celebrating small victories has really improved my attitude. If I'm honest, the day before I took the PT, I was feeling so stressed and began losing my confidence in my abilities. I cried for a good hour then I told myself that I need to get myself together and do what I need to do. I'm happy with myself to see the strategies I've adopted for my second try is paying off and I hope everyone sees improvements as they progress in their studies (3(/p)

Do you look at all the answer choices if you know you are 100% certain on an answer choice before getting to E? There are many LR questions that I know are 100% right at choices A, B, or C (if I get to answer D I will go to E regardless, even if it goes against what this question is asking). I was thinking of just circling these questions and going back to them if I have time. Any thoughts would be much appreciated it.

I can’t decide, though I’m leaning towards Ultimate or Ultimate plus. I’m in the middle of the free trial and while it’s been helpful in a very general sort of way, I really need hands-on practice with a lot of structure... similar to “now do problems x, y, and z.” I know you must be thinking what is she a five year old... but I think this would work best for me. Are the courses structured along these lines (roughly)?

Hi All,

I am very close to being 50% done with the Core Curriculum. Is it a good idea to take a PT just to start getting into the habit of applying what I've learned thus far and check to see if there's been any progress?

I've only taken one PT (the 7sage diagnostic).

Thanks!

Title is pretty self explanatory. Should you apply only to schools that you could see yourself working / staying there or should you apply to schools outside of your state / province . Some context I live in Ontario and plan on applying for Ontario based schools . That being said they are pretty competitive. Applying up north might give you more chances, but I would probably like to practice in Ontario and that could hinder my chances of networking as well as a feel for the laws of that area. Would love to hear feedback on this topic.

Hi! I am just getting back into studying after taking a month off. I was studying for the June test, but decided to push it back to September. I feel a bit rusty. Should I get right back into taking preptests and doing drills? Any suggestions? Would really appreciate any feedback!!

Thank you