Hello 7Sagers! I've finally finished the core curriculum. I'm torn as to what I should do next. Should I A.) start taking full length PTs and BR them, B.) Work through some drilling materials to refresh materials like LR I haven't touched in a few months, then start taking timed PTs and BR, C.) a combo of both establishing a baseline with a post core curriculum PT score and working with drilling materials in weak areas, or D.) full proof for the next month on games before beginning full length PTs? Thoughts and advice on this would be much appreciated.

I'm familiar with the format and question types on the test, but I'm basically new. I studied for a bit last summer on the LSAT trainer but that didn't go well. Anyways, I have the summer to prepare for it this time and am planning to write the Sept test. How do I start? I'm not sure which plan to purchase on 7Sage, and considering how new I am I'm also thinking of getting the PS Bibles. Also getting the practice test books. Any advice helps!

What order of sections do you guys like the best? I always like to have an LR first for some reason

Does anyone know if there is an option to freeze your account? My account expires next month and I will extend in the event that I don't get into any schools for this fall but I won't know for sure until late June/ early July.

7Sage Consultant Dan Castro has an amazing article in this month's Harper's. It's about a man who negotiated a historic truce between El Salvador's biggest gangs—and how local politics, pressure from the US, and the man's own ambiguous motives helped undo it.

Check it out!

https://harpers.org/archive/2019/05/gang-truce-san-salvador-raul-mijango/

I took the first PT after finishing the CC and while my timed score hasn't changed that much my BR score has sky-rocketed.

Timed: 161 (diagnostic 159)

BR: 170 (diagnostic 164, thanks 7Sage!)

Honestly, this PT felt very disorganized and I felt extremely clumsy through the whole thing. I just felt awkward and not smooth since I haven't taken PT's in over 4 months (this is my second time taking the LSAT). So I was extremely happy with my score of 161 and even more happy/surprised with my BR of 170.

I was wondering where I should go from here? I watched the post CC webinar and was wondering if I should continue to drill, etc. with phase 1 for awhile just to see where my BR score goes and to feel more comfortable or if I should move onto phase 2 with trying to get my timed score to match my BR score? Any tips would be appreciated!

I should note that I honestly don't really have a target score at this point. I would love the very least a 166/167 because I never thought it'd be possible for be to get a 170 but that might change now!

Thanks!

Hey guys! I've finished redoing the CC for the second time because I got the Ultimate+ package, am foolproofing the games for the second time, and working through drilling still. I just took PT 59 and am feeling a bit discouraged. I know this is just my first one after such a long time, but I still wanted to see some huge jump.

Today I took PT 59 and got a 159 with a BR of 173.

I'm really glad to see the jump in the BR for sure and I feel like I did get stressed out during time, so hopefully I can still improve.

Breakdowns:

LG Actual -4; BR -0

LR Actual -11; BR -4

LR Actual -7, BR -5

RC Actual -8, BR -1

*Usually my LR actual is -4 to -7 in timed LR sections, so I'm a bit upset about this...hopefully, the next one is better

7 months ago, I took PrepTest 39 and scored 161 with a BR of 169

5 months ago, I took PrepTest 40 and scored 159 with a BR of a170

I appreciate any advise you guys have. I am trying to take the test this summer by July and score a 170+. My goal is to get into the Top14! I am going to keep working on LR drilling, along with timing strategies. I will be taking atleast one or two preptests each week as well because I do have full time to dedicate to the LSAT. Please do share your best tips.

Hi,

I live in NYC and was wondering if anyone was aware of mock-LSATs being held before the June 3rd, 2019 LSAT. I have heard of these before, where you go to a venue and basically take a PT under as realistic as possible conditions. Any one know of any in the next couple months?

Thanks.

Hi everyone,

I am trying to backwards plan for when I will tentatively take the LSAT. I started with 7Sage in December 2018, but they had to go to Eastern Europe for my job for a few months and wasn't able to get on the website due to country restrictions and lack of internet access in a rural area. I returned to the US at the end of March and have been trying to devote about 15-20 hours to the LSAT. I work 60 hours a week Monday through Friday, so I am able to maybe spend about 2 hours after work and then get in about 10 hours over the weekend. Right now I am a third of the way through the curriculum. I would like to finish all the lessons and content on Ultimate by June and do a practice test each week for a year.

I was wondering if anyone else has had a job where they are working 60 hours and juggling kids and how long it took them to get battle-ready for the LSAT. Is getting through the other 70% of the lessons by June realistic?

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My login page layout on my laptop looks like the app version in that it displays everything in one continuous column instead of the split screen where top forum discussions, preptest data, etc. appear on the right and course type on the left. Tried to reset on settings to no luck.

Is this now default?

i can provide screenshots if not clear. Thanks!

I'm not sure if anyone is in the same boat as me, but my rough plan has always been to get a US JD and then move to maybe Asia, Australia or London to practise law (I'm Australian by nationality). Does anyone have any insight into this process and the considerations or challenges that are associated with it?

I just finished the Core Curriculum (starter package version). Apparently it's supposed to take 95 hours to complete, but it took me just about 285 hours over 7 months of studying! Yep, that's pretty nuts or sad or whatever, but hey I finished :)

My only saving grace/excuse for taking such a freaking long time is that I did foolproof every game in the CC).

So I'm excited (and a bit nervous) to get started with PTing. Not sure why I posted this lol, but hey, it's a free country :)

Hi all,

I'm not sure this is super important in the grand scheme of things, but I'm wondering if I should be inputting all my BR answers when completing a practice test. I've just been adding the BR questions that are different than my original answer, but would it be more accurate in my "BR Score" to list all my BR answers even if they match my original answer? Does that change anything in the analytics in terms of knowing which ones I'm confident on or something?

Thank you!

Anyone else worried about going to law school and then, with the advent of AI, not finding a job? I have seen various studied and predictions about the pace of AI's growth and dominance, but I'm not sure what to believe...

If there is a real threat to law careers, which field in law would be the least susceptible to that threat?

UPDATE 2:

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UPDATE:

The games we will go over are as follows:

I tried to spread them out over the PT set so that folks at different levels of readiness can participate, we will be going over them in numerical order so if you wish to avoid spoilers from future PT's you can bow out. There's 14 games so it may take longer than 2 hours but I think it will be worth it.

I have updated the google docs and created a separate TAB for each game. As you finish the games please log your time for your first pass runs and your best foolproof runs so we can see who's done them the fastest, that can guide us in our discussion on how to best tackle the games as time is always money in real life but especially in the LSAT.

Sequencing Boot Camp April 14: 3PM EST

PT Game # Name

30 2 Mendel Jacobson (Andrew Alterio on 7Sage)

36 3 Minji Kim (minjikim)

42 3 Rachael (2ndTimestheCharm)

55 4 Michael

56 4 Michael

63 3 Michael

63 4 Michael

71 4 Rachael

75 3 Rachael

85 4 Michael

I will also be posting a ZOOM meeting invite here when I get myself setup, I figured it's far better than SKYPE for this type as we can whiteboard and draw things out as we discuss.

Hi Folks:

I know there are several group BR's currently going on where Sagers are currently getting together to BR the LR sections of PT's leading up to the June/July LSATS but I haven't seen any sessions organized for Logic Games. For Many of us who are trying to get 170+ on the LSAT (and even some who aren't) an immaculate performance in the LG section is absolutely necessary. I believe we can help ourselves and each other by trying to tackle some of the hardest Logical Games (as rated by the vaunted 7 sage 5 star rating method) and then meeting up afterwards to discuss strategies and difficulties we might have had. JY's videos are great but lets face it he's got the brain of a super computer, for the rest of us with Commodore 64's we might be better off discussing human strategies amongst ourselves.

Premise:

We collectively (through the power of googles docs) determine a set of 8 games we will go over for a given session. We then tackle and FOOLPROOF the games prior to our session so we can have an informed discussion on how to tackle these games, and any strategies we might have employed. By sharing and learning from other high performing sagers we become better. My suggestion is that we hold 4 sessions, each focusing on a game type ( Sequencing, Grouping/in and out, Hybrid, Misc),

I can host the first one of these, which I propose we do Sequencing since it's typically the easier of the types of games and we can go from there. I am proposing we meet up on Sunday April 14th via ZOOM MEETING

What games are we doing?

I am open to suggestions as to which Sequencing games we will tackle for our session, please fill your suggestions in this google doc. Since we are doing sequencing I will only choose games labelled as sequencing (including double layers, sequencing with a test, sequencing with conditionals etc)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oPXeJXudhwrqcvEH2EDhH1ssVtH83zpFP6KBODk3hYM/edit?usp=sharing

Otherwise I will just choose randomly (and by randomly I mean I will just choose the 5 star difficulty games and we will all have a terrible time)

How Do You Join Skype?

MICHAEL CINCO is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

Topic: BR GROUP REVIEW

Time: Apr 14, 2019 3:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)

Join Zoom Meeting

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+16475580588,,2394332748# Canada

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+1 647 558 0588 Canada

+1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)

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Meeting ID: 239 433 2748

Find your local number: https://zoom.us/u/abvKR6s9iF

Who Are you and Why are you Doing This?

My name is Michael and I am a Lawschool hopeful from Canada. My aim is to get a score of 170 on my next LSAT. My recent attempts have landed me at 161 and 166 respectively and the LG section has been my downfall each time. I want to get better and I want to help you get better so we can all achieve our goals.

Hi everyone,

I am currently registered for the June 2019 LSAT but with the exam date approaching, I have realized that my goal of improving 20 points (at least) from my diagnostic of 145 is unrealistic. I will be able to study full time starting next week (35-40hrs/week) and I am wondering if anyone has made a 20 point improvement from their diagnostic in 3 months? I will have around 3 months to study for the LSAT in I change to the July date, is my goal realistic? What about the June date? Also just provide you a little context, I am not going to have any other commitments in the next few months but to study for the LSAT and I would need 166+ (168 to be guaranteed a spot at my dream school).

Also, how helpful have the PT video explanations have been in your LSAT study. I have all the PTs from a different course which did not go as planned, and I am wondering if the 7 sage starter package is sufficient? I am just planning to use the core lessons to build a stronger foundation.

Also how does one make sure they do not burn out for studying over 3 months?

Thank you so much!!

I've gone through PowerScore LG and LR Bibles and have completed about 15-20 PTs in the last 4 months that I've been studying. I'll be taking the July 15 LSAT and if I don't get a 165+ (My goal Score) then I'll be taking the September or October LSAT as well. My scores averages are 19/25 LR sections, 17/23 LG sections and 17/27 RC sections. so I'm currently PTing around a 156.

I have just started the CC for 7sage and I also have access to LSAT Engine. I can dedicate about 20-30 hr/week to cc/pting/drilling. What's the best way to spend my time before and after the July 15 test with my resources?

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Hey, Sagers! I tend to struggle in the early stages of section 1 of any PT, regardless of what it is. Who has a warm-up strategy for practice, and, most importantly for Test Day? When I took the test in November I was woefully unprepared in terms of warm-up. I reviewed a test the night before (BAD), and in the morning I actually sat in the waiting area being stumped by a nearly impossible game I had never seen before. I don't recommend that. I've heard that having a small pack of easy LR ?s and a game you HAVE done before and feel good about is a plan. I've also heard that people use the question bank feature on here to especially select easy questions and print them out all together in the same little packet. When someone who's hip to this has time, could you pretty please lay it out a plan for me? I want to have a cool warm-up packet, the coolest one ever, ready for my successful second go on June 3. THANK YOU in advance.

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I'm only able to see part of the passages/question answers.

Hi everyone.

I'm having problems understanding this sentence, extracted from PT23 Section3 #10:

"If a person chooses to walk rather than drive, there's one less vehicle emitting pollution into the air than there would be otherwise."

What does the otherwise do? Is it simply just saying that if a person chooses to drive rather than walk, there's not one less vehicle emitting pollution into the air?

Thank you!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-23-section-3-question-10/

Admin note: added link

I had technical issues and so I have to start from the beginning. Is there a way to do this?

I'm curious if anyone has taken the test at Seattle Hyatt Olive 8 before, and if so how would they organize the test taker? Is the table big enough to use? How big is the room and what about the noise level?