Any low cost options out there? Greatly appreciated!

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Hi everyone. I was curious if any alumni could shed some light on what law school is really like, particularly regarding the workload. Thanks in advance!

I am on the Logic lesson in the CC so i am in the beginnings. I'm a bit worried since I will take the test on September and it will be digital. For example in LR questions, if we wanna draw the arrow(sufficient, necessary), how are we supposed to do that? Does anyone have any idea? or is drawing the arrows are not necessary in general? If someone can give me insight on this I would really appreciate it.

Shoutout to the snowman emoji next to our names. It is HUGE!

HI everyone,

Looking for some advice and thought this type of thing could apply to some other people in similar situations. I Just took the January LSAT and am expecting a score in the 167-171 range based on my PT average of a 171 and how I felt about the test. I have a 3.85 undergrad GPA and currently work full time. I have one specific law school that I would like to attend and am probably going to be around their medians. However at this point I haven’t even started a single part of my application. No letters of Rec, no essays, absolutely nothing. Is it worth it for me to try and put an application together and apply at the end of the cycle this year or should I just be waiting until next year at this point? I’m also worried that getting rejected this year could hurt my chances next year if I was essentially just to reapply with the same numbers.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

Anyone have advice or motivation for someone who is starting to doubt themselves and their reasoning as test day approaches?

Hi everyone!

Has anyone applied to St. John's law school? If so, has anyone completed the video interview? What questions do they ask?

Thanks!

Does anyone think that the curve will be -12 for January? I don't think anyone got that one question on the logic games correct. Last December had -12. What do you think?

I started to feel sick on Wednesday and took that day off but last night I didn’t sleep well and I’m feeling really fatigue when drilling LG now..I took might&day quil. My plan was to review one more RC passage and redo a LR section that I thought was hard.. but I’m not sure if that’s a good move now. I’m also afraid to just go to sleep now and end up not being able to fall asleep tonight ... I really want to take the test and I hit my target score range last week T_T

Any advice would be highly appreciated!

Took the LSAT today for a third time, I scored decently well the first time (around 80th percentile) and the exact same the 2nd time. I thought I'd take it a third time because I really thought I could do better, but completely messed up on the logic game today. (I'd say I guessed at least on 8 questions and just ran out of time) I felt strong about the rc, and one LR; however, the second LR was quite tough. I've sent in applications but have only heard back from one school. For most of the "top" schools I've applied to, my lsat score was around their 25th-50th percentile. I've asked these scores to proceed with their review of my application as is just to meet priority deadlines, but haven't heard anything back.

To complicate matters, the school that I've been accepted to offered me a free ride, however they are not necessarily my top choice and for lack of a better word, are one of my "safety schools". They've given me a deadline to take their scholarship offer and that deadline is before this jan LSAT score would even post.

What should I do? First, is it smart to cancel my score? Or should I see what I did? How much would it matter to schools I've applied to if I did worse? Secondly, how should I navigate the scholarship offer? Am I crazy to not accept it? If I ask for an extension, are they likely to grant it?

#help

Due to circumstances in the classroom we were taking (speaker in the classroom was on and for some reason only making noises when the test was in session), our exam was halted after section 1 and then again after section 2. We ended up moving to a new classroom before beginning section 3. I personally wasn't too bothered by the circumstance while solving the problems, but I do think the constant interruptions affected my concentration. The proctors said they noted the issue and would be reporting it to LSAC, specifically that the people taking the exam in the classroom were affected in section 1 and section 2 and that we ended up having to switch rooms. I surely don't wish this to happen upon anyone, but I was wondering if anyone had any idea what would happen next. For example, will LSAC follow-up? Will they leave some indication for admissions officers in the case that applicants choose not to cancel? I'm not cancelling - I can't, really, since this was my last exam and I'm applying in this cycle. So it was disappointing that my last LSAT ended up being in the worst standardized testing environment I have ever experienced but there's not much I can do about it. But I am still curious as to what, if anything will happen. Any thoughts?

So I just wrote my third attempt at the LSAT today. And I am not feeling too great about it. I had 2 LG game section, and i really struggled with one of them ( was able to complete on 2) and did very well on the other one (finished all 4 of them). It turns out that the one I struggled with was the real section!

I also struggled on one of the LR section.

that being said, I'm 90% sure i did worse on this LSAT than on my last one. So will it be a good idea to cancel my score? Since I've already attempted it 3 times and I don't want another bad score to be on my record (not sure if so many attemps will impact my applications?)

Or should I not lose hope and just wait to see how i did?

FYI-I am a Canadian Lsat taker.

Hi 7Sage Community,

Was hoping to get advice on my study plan between now and the March LSAT.

I work full-time (830-5) and have been recently taking 2 tests a week (one on Saturday and then usually one on Monday). I BR the Saturday test on Sunday and the Monday test throughout the week day nights. Candidly, I am a bit selective in BR process (because I feel time constrained) which I know will likely get some criticism from the community- ie. if I get less than 2 wrong on a passage I will quickly see where I went wrong without BR'ing the whole passage (I also do this for games).

On a 4 section test, I just hit my target score of 165 fully timed for the first time. I have had issues properly timing myself in the past (adding a few minutes to each next section) which is a bad habit that I have now broken. I want to hit my 165 score a few more times before March 30th and perhaps do a bit better than my target score.

I scored the 165 on PT 58

Section 1 LR (-6), Section 2 RC (-4), Section 3 LG (-4), Section 4 LR (-4).

RC has been a HUGE problem for me in the past (-8 usually), but I have been drilling hard passages which has helped a lot. I drilled 5 star LGs last year, but do not remember them (and any benefit from that has now worn off) or 5 star LR questions (my hardest ones are NA and Flaw).

My question is should I cut down the weekly test amount from 2 to 1 and focus on continuing to drill RC, LR and LG (and maybe BR one test inside and out/week vs. 2 in a more condensed fashion) or should I keep going down my 2 test a week path. I will take off the second week before the exam so worst case scenario I do the drilling at that time (but I would not have the benefit of the practice for the majority of my PTs between now and the March test). My big issue is still timing- for example the questions I get wrong in LR I usually do not have time to do properly- I have only recently broken my bad adding time habit which is why doing more timed tests has been focus (despite not having the time to review them onerously). Additionally, in the month of March I will introduce the 5th section of the exam to my PTs where I will be making the 5th section count each time (to test stamina; again this is another reason why I have been focusing more on the art of test taking and timing at the expense of some BR benefits- really hard to quantify what that trade-off is).

Any feedback is appreciated and welcomed. Thank you #help

Proctors: Two male proctors, not sure on their names, but they were excellent.

Facilities: Alfred Lerner Hall & Purnell Hall

What kind of room: Small/Medium size classroom

How many in the room: 10 people in my room

Desks: Large desks. I was concerned about Udel based on past reviews, but was very happy with the desk size. Lerner and Purnell both had the perfect sizes.

Left-handed accommodation: Yes

Noise levels: Quiet, no distractions

Parking: Metered spots, parking garage, or create a visitor login and purchase a pass online ahead of time

Time elapsed from arrival to test: 15 mins

Irregularities or mishaps: None

Other comments: Great testing facility. I had excellent proctors and perfect desk space. The bathrooms were located close by, the parking as adequate. I'd recommend UD as long as they keep using these halls.

Would you take the test here again? Yes

Date[s] of Exam[s]: January 26, 2019

Hi Everyone,

I just finished taking PT 65 and was wondering if anyone else wants to BR this test as well.

Hi everyone,

Today I took the January LSAT as my first official test. Overall I feel like I did fairly well (Don't think I bombed any section). Although this may be a bad habit, during my practice PTs I usually put a little mark on the answer sheet next to the number of question I choose to skip. The mark I make is directly to the left of the question number and is usually completely outside the column (medium to dark shade). I like to mark questions this way so I get a bird's eye view of the questions I circled so I don't have to flip through the section to look for them.

I am now aware how this could be risky, since the answer sheet says to make no stray marks. I don't want to lose points due to a machine reading error. If I get my score back and it is unusually low, I may submit a request to LSAC to have my test hand-scored. Has anyone had a similar experience?

I didn't want to erase the marks after the time was called and risk getting kicked out. I kinda feel like a moron for not catching this behavior before hand in my practice PTs. Does anyone have experience with marking on the answer sheet?

This bad habit could cost me $100, but if my score improves based off hand-scoring it will be well worth it.

I know the LSAT scores are primarily emailed after three weeks from taking the test. And if you don't have an LSAC account, or your email isn't properly registered, then the score is sent physically through mail after four weeks. But if you already have your score emailed to you, is the score then physically mailed to you as well?

Proctors: Between seven and ten

Facilities: Like the rest room? Perfectly adequate.

What kind of room: It was a vast, high ceiling conference room with retractable walls, all retracted, so we were in Navesink I, II, and III. Large windows facing a forested scene.

How many in the room: 60-80

Desks: Long, comfortable, widely spaced. I could stretch my legs in a V and my legs were still under my desk. Much more comfortable than what I was practicing on.

Left-handed accommodation: I don't think a left handed person would experience a problem.

Noise levels: Low. I heard almost nothing.

Parking: Parking isn't a problem anywhere in Monmouth County, NJ.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: Probably a full hour.

Irregularities or mishaps: I noticed several rule violations that there didn't seem to be an enforcement mechanism against. No one checked my watch and on the break I noticed at least six students had left their watches on the desks but they were LSAT Chronometers, and pretty clearly so. Just said 1-35 on the face. Kind of a relief actually, here I was worried a Palomnio Blackwing 602 was not a permitted pencil. Probably a problem intrinsic to large sessions in general.

Other comments: Very convenient coat rack offered before the door! Though I saw one guy get refused the opportunity to use the bathroom prior to the test just because he had presented his ID at the check in desk. Seems to me like they might as well have told him to leave. I don't see how he was "checked in" having not entered the room.

Would you take the test here again? Definitely!

Date[s] of Exam[s]: 1/26/2019

Hello,

Background: I started studying with 7Sage the first week of November. I started at a 151 diagnostic. I have been studying full time since then and my average is now 168. I have not touched PTs 56-86 except for 67 and 68. Basically, I am back in school full time now working on my masters and am getting pretty tired of the LSAT. However, I want to keep my skills fresh for the March 30th administration. Frankly, I am aiming for 170. I finished with a 4.0 UGPA so I am trying to get into T10 schools. Thus, I am seeking opinions from anyone who might have been/is in in a similar situation. I am debating whether 1PT a week and drilling a few problem types is enough, or if I should be shooting for 2-3 PTs a week? To me, I get a lot more out of drilling the hardest question types of the problems I struggle with in comparison to taking full tests. Any advice is appreciated!

Hi,

I just found out registration is now open for the June and July exams. I'm wondering if this means the spots will fill up faster...it's kind of risky if I register this early because I can't get a refund if we get closer to the test and I realize that I'd rather take it in March or September. What are the chances of the June/July spots filling up sooner than usual?

Thanks!

Hi All,

I got my February score back, and I'm nothing but ecstatic about it. I went from 160 in December to 171 in February. I owe a lot to this community. I didn't post much on here but I creeped, and I used a lot of the (free) 7sage materials. I feel like if I can help even one person get motivated and get the score they want, then this thread was worth writing. I have a description below of my LSAT experience and then some advice for anyone who wants it. Are you tired of egotistical high scorers giving advice? Then skip this thread. I was so tired of reading about ivy league wannabe's scoring 170+ whining about how bad they were doing/did that I totally feel your pain and I don't judge you for not wanting to hear about it. For the TLDR just read the itemized points and take what you want or ignore if you think it's stupid!

I applied to the Air Force 2.5 years ago, and it has been a slow process. After passing all the selection criteria, but going months of waiting and not getting called, I needed a backup in my life (I'm still waiting as of writing this post). The LSAT seemed like a good thing to put in my back pocket, and admission to some law schools wouldn't hurt if the time came. I had an older version of the Powerscore books sitting around, and I pulled them out (I didn't know what 7sage was). Starting on October 1st, I spent about 3 weeks deep in all 3 books reading them and taking notes and studying them carefully. Although I did some travelling during this time (Las Vegas and Tofino B.C.), I was spending at least 4-5 hours a day studying, with a day or two off a week. The only exam I had written prior to this was about 2 years earlier and I got about 50% of the questions right, putting me somewhere around the 30th percentile, although that's just a guess. After my power-score studying, I wrote my first exam and got a 161. I then focused on practicing from November until December just doing older practice exams. My highest PT was 167, the night before my December exam, and my lowest was a 161 (minus a weird outlier 156 where I got so frustrated in a logic game that I gave up). I wrote the December exam and it ended in tragedy. I scored a 160, below my average PT of 163, and it was the lowest practice test of ANY practice test I had done.

I became kind of bummed so I re-registered for February, and didn't start studying until January 3rd, giving me about a month to prepare. My mind was back in the cockpit of a fighter jet not in a Dean's office. What had butchered my December score was a weak logic games, so while I kept telling myself I would do full PT's and stuff, I never really did I kinda just practiced logic games over and over again until even in a super hard one I could keep my cool and minimize lost points. I sort of used the 7sage foolproof method for logic games, but less rigorously. The truth is that while I put in some good time, I wasn't a crazy aspiring lawyer, and I didn't put in insane time. I put in the work, and combined with a decent aptitude for the exam, did okay. Especially prior to my February exam, I was doing almost exclusively logic games, and spent most of my time working and in the gym. Maybe 1-3 hours a day, 3-4 days a week or something like that.

Before the February exam, I intentionally didn't look at an exam for 5 days prior to the test. I sat down and wrote on February 12th, and it went fine. I assumed I did a 165, since my highest PT hadn't got much higher (169), and I didn't really put in much extra work other than reducing variability on Logic Games. I got my score back yesterday, and I just about collapsed when I saw a 171. Now, this is a good score, but it's not like a 176 or 177 or something. I'm not an LSAT genius. I moved 11 LSAT points and 18 percentile points from my previous real sit down. Now I'll probably get into the law schools I applied to, and maybe next year just for Sh*ts and giggles I'll apply to some ivy schools and see what happens, but I'm not some crazy SJW or involved in every single issue in the world like I was in high school, so I'm not sure I'm Ivy material. So that's my story, and if you relate at all, or care about what I learned, I have some scattered advice below. Take what makes sense and leave what doesn't. This is a great community of people, and even though people who score high always sound a little bit egotistical when they talk, it really comes from a place of knowing that in the past we were sitting with lower scores, reading about other people who were doing better than us, and it's difficult to qualify why your help might be valuable to someone without first saying that you actually do well on the test.

In no particular order:

Be a killer. This exam is NOT about how many questions you get right. It's about how many questions you get right COMPARED TO THE PERSON SITTING NEXT TO YOU. This is an exam about percentiles not raw scores. If the question you're reading is easy, it's easy for the next person too. Answer the question faster and better, take every edge you possibly can at all times. Powerscore says it well, ATTACK the questions, no matter how confident you are, and move on.

Start early. This exam is in the truest sense a marathon and not a sprint. Learning the exam takes time. I'd rather do 10 practice test over 3 months than to do 20 practice tests in one. This stuff is more like taking edibles than ripping the bong, it takes a while to hit you.

Your brain gets tired. I saw CONSISTENTLY that when I took a week off from a long period of hard studying, I would come back that day and score 5 or more points higher than my previous test. The LSAT is an intelligence (intelligence about a particular way of thinking) test not a knowledge test (the MCAT is the opposite in this respect, every extra bit of stuff you can memorize helps). Every single exam has different questions, and your brain needs to be stretchy to adapt and understand the material. So, take the time to load KNOWLEDGE into your brain (LG games strategies, LR and RC question types, test strategies, etc. etc.), and then take time to give your brain a chance to soak it in so that when you hit that full length practice test, it has every ounce of INTELLIGENCE in it. You'll feel it; after a few days off all the questions seem easier. For those mechanically inclined, studying and PT'ing back to back is like filling your high performance engine with 87 octane. The engine knocks, gets less power and might blow up. But give it a few days rest and you're giving it 94 octane and the perfect tune.

Nail the logic games. The LG section is probably the only one where you can have 0 aptitude for it, but still do amazingly well. The 7sage method works well. Do a a LG games section, and then give it a day and do it again the next day, and the next, and the next until you really understand it. Once it's perfect put it on the back burner, then come back to it some time later and nail it to remember the tricks and to boost your confidence. Nailing the logic games and then guessing on the rest of the exam will give you a 140. Nailing the LG and then getting only 50% right on the other questions puts you in the 63ish percentile. The video explanations on this site are THE BOMB so use them.

Analyze your mistakes. Analyze. Your. Mistakes. Or as millennials do, Analyze (clap emoji) Your (clap emoji) Mistakes (clap emoji). I didn't use the blind review method. I'm pretty lazy, and going back and analyzing questions I'm not even sure I got wrong was tedious and annoying. I would do this: Write a Practice test and grade it. Cry about my score (I'm a 6' 250 lb dude) and have a snack so I can't remember what the right answers to the wrong questions were. For LR I would re-do all of my wrong questions. I would write down the question type/category (which helps me on harder questions so I can use systemic approaches when necessary), then I would write down why I chose the wrong answer, then select what I thought was the right answer and explain why I thought it was right. I would do this for all of them and check the answers again, and hopefully they were all right. If not, same thing again. The key is to really take time to think about WHY you got it wrong, and understand PERFECTLY why you were such an idiot for not getting it right the first time. You want to feel stupid after this process. For the RC I would start reading the passages again, then stop because RC sucks A** and I'll never get better at it. I would review the wrong questions and the right answers just to get a feel for it, which probably helped my score a little, but I spent very little time on this. For logic games, I would do them over and over again until I got it right, then use the approach above^(4.) to do it well. Honestly, the best thing I did was spend more time understanding why I got questions wrong, and less time actually writing practice exams. If you have a good work ethic unlike yours truly, using this method religiously on all the PT's is going to net you an objectively awesome score.

Put your phone in a different room when you study.

Get a job that lets you focus. I drove Uber. I like shooting the sh*t with people and driving my car (I have a 4.97 driver rating heck ya I ball hard NBD). I'd work enough to pay the bills whenever I wanted, went to the gym as much as I wanted and then pretended to study more than I actually studied for the rest of the day.

If you don't have the luxury of living at home and working part time like I did, try and change that. If you cant, spend less time doing stupid stuff that's not making your score better, but leave enough time to have fun.

Do not, under any circumstances, study for this exam if you are easily discouraged or if you're not really sure you want it.

Do NOT, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, listen to the stupid people here who whine about ridiculously high scores and claim that they achieved this with minimal work (i've been half guilty of both sides of this in the past and even now). These people, I've determined, are liars or extreme outliers, and much more likely to be the former than the later. Don't believe anyone who says they scored more than 165 on their first exam with no studying.

So to end, this is my unsolicited contribution to you folks at 7sage. Take it or leave it. Hopefully instead of law i'm flying mach two somewhere, but if not i'll see you guys in class. Good luck to all of you, and feel free to comment what you think of my strategy.

Does anyone have any insight on how you video yourself? And once done, how do we upload it to our computer or youtube?

I'm trying to figure out how to do this and not being very successful. Any advice would be appreciated.

Hello. I was wondering if I fail to cancel LSAT registration by tonight 11:59pm, the schools will get to KNOW that I withdrew from Jan exam. I want to make a decision tomorrow morning depending on my physical/mental condition....so I don't want to cancel it tonight in case I do want to take the test for the last time.

I am planning to take the September 2019 digital LSAT and I began studying earlier this month with the Khan Academy digital program. On Khan Academy, you can highlight RC passages but not underline, bracket, etc. -- and can't do anything with the LG or LR prompts (although you can use scrap paper for diagramming LG). Now, watching the 7Sage videos, I'm realizing how very helpful it would be to have the paper test in front of me to mark LG and LR prompts and RC passages - and doing my first BR, I noticed that there were a handful of answers I marked incorrectly just because I didn't absorb the question properly!

I see the 7Sage videos doing things like circling important words in the question stems, bracketing premises and conclusions, etc. I know that misreading is such an easy way to lose points so I'm interested to learn: with the lack of a paper test, what are some ways that I can train my brain to catch everything? I sometimes read a question two or three times and still "hear" it incorrectly! I am definitely a paper-and-pencil kind of person and I love marking up pages (even the books I read for leisure get underlined and highlighted), so taking a digital exam is requiring me to acquire some new ways of thinking.

Thanks for any thoughts!