This is probably a ridiculous question, but I'm going to ask it anyway. I started studying for the LSAT a few days ago and I've been postponing taking a diagnostic because I'm afraid I'll get discouraged if I get a really low score. Do you think I should take it regardless? I guess I'm just looking for reassurance that no matter what score I'll get on my diagnostic, I will still be able to get a good score through hard work. What improvement have you all made since your diagnostic?

How do you study for the LSAT? I just finished the CC and watched the post-CC webinar so now the real work begins. I have all summer to study and I want to make the best use of time.

I've been racking my brain as to the best method to go about studying for he November 2018 test, and I know I want to go over the CC again, even if just a month, I already have it outlined and it will help me a lot, I'm sure. And then after that, I think I just need to start taking PT's. If I take two per week, and BR them, do 4 days of LSAT stuff, I should be able to get a decent score. I'm just rambling, but yea, help would be great. IDK, suggestions?

Hi guys,

I haven't written in a while and some of you have seen my posts as I was prepping for the LSAT. I'd like to let you all know that I actually got into law school! I just graduated from undergrad with my BA in Biology and Spanish a week ago and I will be attending U New Hampshire in the Fall! I couldn't have asked for a better school for Intellectual property.

I'm writing this mainly to say thank you all so much for all the help and support so many of you gave me. To those studying, the struggle is so worth it. I actually cried at my own graduation because of the sheer relief and joy I felt. I'm sure many of us on the other side have similar experiences too. :)

Peace out! Study hard and prosper.

I am in the early stages of CC and I had a few questions about the problem sets:

When do you do the problem sets? After the lesson or do you keep it for after your BR? I have the ultimate version of 7sage and I know I have all the problem sets. However, I just want to maximize the use of the limited questions we have to study from.

Are the problem sets arranged in terms of difficulty? (Easiest to hardest?)

When you are doing your problem sets – are you timing yourself? If so, how long should one pace themselves to do one LR question? Currently, because I am going through the practice problems and typing up the breakdown of the stimulus, etc. – it takes me about 5 mins or so per one question. I know this is not ideal – but I want to make sure I am going slowly while I am learning the content – rather than going fast and not understanding the concept.

Any help would much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

After a diagnostic exam, what is the next step? Blind review? Cry? Sleep? Throw your prep books away? We the people want to know

Hello everyone, super new user here. I'm hoping to write the July/September LSAT for the first time.

I thought I'd open a thread to just have people come here and talk and console each other. God knows how miserable we all are for taking on the beast that is LSAT.

Nonetheless, after much tears, sweat, and frustrations, we much carry on.

Thanks everyone beforehand for participating.

Hello!

So I am planning on taking the September 2018 LSAT and have finished CC at this point. I know the general consensus for the next step is to start Fool Proofing but I am still unsure whether I should upgrade to Ultimate+ or use materials that have been passed down to me. I started studying this time last year with an in-person class so I have PTs 42-81 (half of them are already marked in pen/pencil). A friend of mine passed down his used LSAT Trainer, all 3 Powerscore Bibles, and the Powerscore LSAT Game Type Training II (which contains games from PT 21-40 and I could potentially use to Fool Proof).

At this point, I'm conflicted about whether I should upgrade. I know the bundle and drill packs would be nice (plus the fact that all these materials would be unmarked!!!) but I'm not sure if the Ultimate+ cost is justified considering how many of the materials I already have. I would love any insight, especially from people who have shopped around/compared different LSAT materials options! Thank you!!!

Hi, all!

So I’ve noticed that I consistently sit there trying to understand the answer choice for flaw questions “presupposes as evidence the conclusion it is trying to establish” all the time. I also don’t know that I have ever seen that AC be the correct answer, yes each time I waste a solid 15 seconds trying to figure it out/see if the question could fit.

Can anyone help me dissect this and maybe provide some examples? It’s time I stop wasting time on this cookie cutter AC.

Thanks!

I just needed to share with folks who would understand my pride without coming off as arrogant to friends -- I just PT'ed under full testing conditions and got a 174. May or may not have started crying in public.

I have been massively struggling these last few weeks after deciding to retake when the Feb scores came out (was averaging a 168 and got a 164). My average is still right around 168 but I randomly got a 163 the other week and lost it. I wasn't sure if this retake was worth it, felt like I had been wasting my time, and almost decided to let that 164 define me and give up.

I have hit the 170's before but something felt different about this test.

Keep pushing people! It's worth it! Thank you 7sage!

Hi, everyone!

I need some help going through questions 16 and 18 of PT 77, Sec 2.

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Def not - this is not about whether someone should or should not, it is about whether something is or is not harmful

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So, I know this is the answer. But I am confused on how.... How do we know that an individual is interfering? Without having the information that "everyone either pursues folk remedies or conventional treatments" then couldn't someone who is promoting a folk remedy actually just be causing someone who would otherwise seek no remedy to at least be doing something about their health? I feel like there is a gap in this answer and I can't push myself to buy into the 'interfere' portion of this... Please help.

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Honesty is not relevant to this case

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responsibility is not relevant to this case

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-again, responsibility is not important here

Perhaps this is one where I'm overly caught up on semantics and should just let it be and recognize that the other ACs clearly are not correct. However, under timed conditions, I kept feeling like a different AC must have been right given the assumption that came with the word 'interfere'.

Thoughts?

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Does anyone know the policy on whether one can register for multiple upcoming tests, e.g., one in September and the other in November, prior to taking the first test?

So I should be finished with my CC by the end of this week and I will be starting to take PTs and foolproofing LG by June 4th which gives me enough time to do approximately 14-15 PTs. Is that enough? Too much? Too little? My target score is 163-166 and my cold diagnostic was 151.

I'm aiming to take the LSAT in September and am curious as to how many hours a day and how many days a week would be required to get a good score. I don't want to burn myself out but I also want to make sure I am doing enough daily to be prepared. I am considering the November as my backup test date too.

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This is because you can use Markdown in your post.

So be careful not to accidentally yell at people!

Title says it all. I watched the post CC webinar and upgraded so I have access to everything now. I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed with the lack of structure and sheer amount of materials available now. For those who have been in a similar position, how did you proceed?

With the June exam quickly approaching, I know that some of you, like me, are quite stressed, I just wanted to be a good friend and share a few things I repeatedly say to myself in my car on my way back from studying:

If you are stressed, you are stressed, and it's perfectly OK to be stressed about it.

Do NOT let your friends and/or family say/do some form of the following to you:

I. Compare you to "a friend" that scored 170+ with three months of casual studying and destroy your morale.

II. Tell you that, "it's like any other SAT's, I've taken (SAT X here) before so I just need to figure out how the test works".

III. Tell you that, "my friend's a lawyer and told me that you can't improve more than 5-10 points even after studying".

I don't know about you guys, but I don't think one can simply "figure out" this test on the ground that they've taken other SAT's. Come to think of it, what a very shitty thing of him to say. I hope he steps on dog poop on his way to work tomorrow morning.

“When I say that evil has to do with killing, I do not mean to restrict myself to corporeal murder. Evil is that which kills spirit. There are various essential attributes of life -- particularly human life -- such as sentience, mobility, awareness, growth, autonomy, will. It is possible to kill or attempt to kill one of these attributes without actually destroying the body. Thus we may 'break' a horse or even a child without harming a hair on its head. "

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YES, it means it's functioning! It's being stretched! It's learning!

I know that many people, including myself, have issues forgiving, therefore allowing, yourself to truly enjoy the rest. When I'm not understanding a passage, or a game, or some LR question, I personally had a hard time putting my pencil down and tell myself "it's ok, it might not be right now, but it will come". It was usually something like, "what the fuck is wrong with me why am I so retarded? goddamnit I hate myself", and go outside to smoke. I realized that there's a fine line between being critical and being abusive to oneself.

"Since God forgives us, to fail to forgive ourselves is to hold ourselves higher than God---thereby indulging in the sin of perverted form of pride."

I'm not in any way trying to start anything related to any form of religion. The book happened to be written by a psychiatrist who based his ideas on Christian doctrine...

Don't. Give. Up.

If I start the Starter course now, is it enough for the September LSAT for me to get an score of 160+?

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Hi all!

This is my first time posting in a Discussion Forum, and I could really use some words of encouragement. I currently work full time as a paralegal, and I have been studying since September of 2017. I'm not gonna lie to you, and I'm sure many of you know - it's so gosh darn hard to make yourself study after a full day of work!! Anyways, at first I wasn't studying very regularly, but then I got into the habit of studying on my lunch breaks, and after work as well. It's been SO exhausting, but I know that it's worth it when I see myself getting higher scores and having deeper understandings on a consistent basis. I was originally going to take the February 2018 test, but I then decided to take the June 2018 test instead, so that I would have more time to study. I THINK I'll be okay taking this June test, but I'm starting to panic again with it being right around the corner. I'm not sure if my doubts have any real basis, or if it's just me being my normal super paranoid anxious test-taking self. I know that if I'm not pleased with my score, I can retake the LSAT in September, but I just don't want to have to resort to that. Is that silly of me?

Thanks in advance for reading and for your help :)

I've been studying for the LSAT for what I feels like is two long years. I took the June 2017 and got 144. Prior to that I did self studying using Powerscore Bibles and also took a Powerscore course which in my opinion seemed useless since the teacher truly didn't know how to teach the material. I took a couple of months off after the test feeling like an idiot got back into it in August using 7sage CC and although I feel like I've learned a lot more and have been able to grasp concepts I do not see any improvement in PTs I am scoring between 149 and 155 and my BR the highest was a 162. However when I go over questions and explanations I feel like I understand. I talk out the stimulus and answer choices to myself and I feel okay but anytime I go into the test I'm anxious. I don't finish any section on time everything is just a mess!

I was terrible at LG before using 7 sage, Ive done the full proof method on 1-35 and although I can get through most games I almost never feel confident in what I am doing I recently took a PT where I froze on each game kept going back and forth and basically ran out of time. Once I went back to BR I got -3 on the section. I wanted to cry.Questions on LR that I've answered correctly 9/10 I almost always go back and change my answer to an incorrect one. I am getting -14 on LR on each section. It just seems like I haven't put any work in at all.

I don't know what to do anymore. I work crazy hours and still try to put at least two to three hours a day of practice in and I am just getting no where with this. I was scheduled to take the June exam but I know ill be wasting my time. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I am looking to get my score into mid 160s.

Anyone who's been on this forum for more than a couple weeks probably realizes that this is a complex and controversial topic. While I value a wide variety of opinions, I'm particularly keen to hear from persons who have taken the LSAT multiple times. Hopefully, those with similar quandaries to my own can also benefit from this thread.

I'm currently slated to write the test in June, and though I'm pleased with the progress I've made so far, I'm fairly confident that I have some wrinkles to iron out before I'd be scoring in my preferred range (170+). My current average is in the 165-168 range. In addition to taking the June test, for the past couple months I've planned on retaking the test in September. I have a flexible job that works around my studying, and I sincerely enjoy the project, so an additional 2 months of prep isn't a con.

That being said, here's my question: what are your recommendations as far as canceling my June test and only taking September versus taking both tests? Weighing in my mind are a couple questions: should I be walking into the test if I'm less than confident that I will earn satisfactory score (I know for many this goes against 7Sage orthodoxy); would taking the June test help to calm nerves in September by providing a sense of familiarity with the experience; would knowing that I have a retake planned help to alleviate some pressure during the June test and, theoretically, help me stay composed?

Though I don't want to put anyone on the spot, I understand that @LSATcantwin , @"Cant Get Right" , @"Seeking Perfection" , & @Alex might have some experience in this area? Any insights you might offer would be greatly appreciated!

Hey all!

I’ve been studying to take the June LSAT and am currently averaging about a 170 on my PTs. I’m very happy with my score and my progress, but I was hoping to get my average up a few points to be in the upper medians of the HSY ranges and/or to counteract any test anxiety on the day of the test.

For you high scorers, I was wondering if anyone has any advice as to how to push score when within this range. For context, I am tending to score about a -3 on RC, -0 on LG, and about -3 through -5 on LR. The question types that I am missing don’t seem to have any clear patterns except that I am slightly below average on my weakening questions in LR. I seem to be missing questions primarily due to overconfidence or missing a word in the questions stem. I’ve implemented strategies to try to make up for these mistakes, but I have not seen an increase in my score.

Any advice would appreciated! Thanks everyone and good luck in your studies.

Edit: My past 5 LSAT scores were three 170s, a 172, and a 167 (I was interrupted in multiple occasions on this LSAT and do not know how representative this score is).

Is there any good ones out there? I have access to the admissions stuff but it would be helpful if I knew exactly what it should look like as a whole... thanks!

I transferred after getting my associates. Should it be on there?

Hello! Last February I took the LSAT and scored a 163, which I am very happy about. I am currently planning to take the exam again in Sep and am hoping to bump my score up near the 170s for acceptance and scholarship purposes. For my first test, I self studied by using a Kaplan book, PTs 60-80, and 7Sage's free youtube videos of all the Logic Games. I am not entirely sure how to go about studying for the test in 3.5 months and am seeking advice from everyone here! All thoughts appreciated