Hi all, after taking in some words of advice from the 7sagers I have decided to take my fourth LSAT (yikes), knowing that my previous scores were far below my potential and that it would be a waste not take advantage of my relatively high GPA that I really worked hard for in college.

Now that I've made the hard decision, I'm a little lost as to how I should go about studying... If my PTs were around 173-174 but actual score 166, I believe that some of my fundamentals were shaky, but since my 7sage materials have all expired (happily thinking that my December would be my last LSAT ever), I'm not sure where I should turn to. I'm also not sure how I should approach PTs because I've pretty much seen all the PTs at least once, and am scared that just a more thorough BR would be insufficient to guarantee a higher score on my next exam. I've skimmed through my past BR notes/scrapbook to see where I was lacking when I went into the December exam, but I can't really get a good sense of my specific weaknesses (other than, being weak in NA/flaw questions, conditional arguments in general)... I'm so lost as to where I should begin...

Anyone have some words of wisdom for me?! :(

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I know my LR question types and strategy for them pretty well, but when i do PT LR sections i screw so many up! I often don't get to finish the last few questions either. Now the interesting part is that upon blind review im able to get the vast majority of these questions right, without taking forever. It's as if my brain doesnt fully abrosb what its reading when im doing tests!

If you have experienced something like this, please enlighten me on how you overcame it!

Hi Friends!

I am hoping for some advice.

My situation: I am a college senior who, due to unforeseen circumstances, only completed 1/2 of the CC last summer and hasn't looked at 7sage since September. Admittedly, I also struggled with the sheer volume of the problem sets in the Ultimate+ curriculum, which were exhausting and took hours to review. My diagnostic score was a 155, and with nearly all my wrong answers coming from LG, my goal is to score a 170+ on the June exam.

With all that said, I was wondering if any 7sagers could offer some advice as to my next steps. I have considered the following options:

1- Re-start the CC, doing less problem sets and only skimming material I've previously covered.

2 - Because 7sage encourages longer studying periods than ~ 5 months, I am tempted to go to Kaplan/PR who have 3-month models, and use 7sage as a supplement.

3 - Begin where I left off and review the CC if weaknesses arise when PTing, especially since my primary focus is LG.

Does anyone have thoughts on what I should do? Any of the above/something else? I am open to any advice (within reason lol). I know my goal is ambitious, but I'm going to try! Thank you :)

Is there a minimum amount of sections needed to “foolproof?” My type A is kicking in and I’m considerig fullproofing 50 plus logic sections. But is that much “needed?” I know obviously the more the better but I need to balance the other sections in time for the feb 10 test. Are there particular games, like pt 1-35 that are best to foolproof? Lastly, what is he Pacifico method? Thanks a lot. I feel lost with this ☹️

Hey everyone,

After completely bombing my September LSAT, I headed into December with more determination than ever and scored a 161 (10 points above what I scored in September!). Obviously that's huge progress and I was pretty happy, but I was aiming for 163 (and had been scoring around that range), so I knew that I would have to re-write in Feb. and squeeze out a few extra points. My LG on December was -3, but I've normally been going -0/-1, LR was -16 and RC was -7 so I know there's a lot of areas I can be targeting in order get 2-3 more questions right in February.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I should proceed these next 5 weeks? The biggest mistake I made in September was burning myself out, and in December I couldn't sleep the night before.. so I'm hoping to resolve both those issues and head into February with a clear, rested mind. Would it be wise to maybe do 6-7 PTs and focus heavily on reviewing, and drilling LR/RC when necessary? Any tips would be appreciated to ensure I conquer the LSAT and never have to face it again :)

Hi friends,

I just wanted to say a huge thank you to everyone behind the scenes at 7Sage, and everyone who is part of this incredibly supportive community. I started out at 150, and ended up with a 166, a 16 point increase. While not my dream score, it's been enough to be getting me into my dream schools: so far Michigan, Berkeley, and Georgetown.

I know I couldn't have had the motivation to keep studying through the difficult moments without you all. And 7Sage taught me to begin thinking like a lawyer--I honestly feel like what I've learned here is not only applicable to the LSAT, but will help me throughout my time at law school.

A huge thank you. And to all those still studying, keep on keepin' on. You CAN do it.

With gratitude,

Elisa

Hey everyone!

I'm writing the feb LSAT and I was wondering if anyone has any specific methods that really helped them improve with speed and accuracy for the LSAT? I can usually finish all the questions and only get 1-3 Q's incorrect by the time 35 minutes is up when I'm PT-ing but on test day I have trouble finishing the sections on time due to nerves. I usually will not have time to go back to the couple questions that I had skipped and that substantially lowers my score over the 4 sections. My understanding of the LSAT is pretty good, I just need ways to improve my speed and accuracy. During test day I tend to second guess myself. Are there any methods that worked for you? Drills etc?

Thank you so much :)

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Hello!

I took the December LSAT after trying to self study with The LSAT Trainer while in season playing volleyball for my university. I was only able to take three practice tests and was scoring in the mid 150s. When I got my score back I was extremely disappointed to see that I only made a 146. I'm already registered to take the February test. I know I need to do something different to study which is why I just signed up for 7Sage. My question is that in the 5 weeks I have to prepare again for the LSAT will 7Sage be able to help me make a 4 to 8 point jump?

Hi all - this convo came up in another post and @TheMikey kindly posted the link to an article and kindly gave me his thoughts on it. I wanted to share it with the larger group because I am still mystified by what the article said. I am also interested to know if anyone has worked with Mike Spivey and if he is the real deal. I just want to know if the info in his article is credible.

http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/late/

I always thought that if I took the June LSAT that I automatically lost the opportunity to apply for Fall 2018 and that I had to apply in the next cycle. I didn't think that I could get into any schools since most deadlines would have passed and presumably there are no spots left to offer. Welll, here comes Mike Spivey to completely confuse my understanding. According to him, if we have a number that a school wants (I would think 170 or higher) that "you can probably apply a heck of a lot later than you know or you have been lead to believe. In admissions we see it happen exactly this way hundreds of times every year." What??!! Really??

I never even thought it was possible to apply after the June test for the same cycle (so June 2018 for Fall 2018)! So, I work my butt off, take the June LSAT, score a 170+, apply and I may still have a chance?! I feel like this is almost the best news ever but I don't want to hang my hat on it. Would love to hear everyone's thoughts, specially any former Sagers who actually did this and got in.

Thanks!

Guys, I've taken the lsat 3x and my highest was 167. I'm applying early decision as a URM to UPenn or Cornell and Georgetown as the I'll receive decision before the ED deadline. I'm in a tough spot because my gpa is 3.0 calculated by the LSAC. I was a double major i and worked full time as well to pay tuition all four years. There is an upward trend in my gpa with multiple dean's list awards. I am almost 3 years out of college and worked full time for Goldman Sachs with assets under management in excess of 300MM. Personally, I've worked on promissory note drafts, operating agreements, and creditor's rights with judgments over 6 MM.

You think I honestly have a shot at t-20 w/ my experience or the holistic approach is bs and it comes down to numbers?

Hey! So it has been a while since I've posted a motivation post for everyone. I've been caught up in getting my applications ready to submit (I think this part might be harder than the LSAT!)

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Don't settle! You know what you are capable of and where you want to be, so don't stop until you get there. The LSAT has this strange ability to make it feel like you are just spinning your wheels in the mud. It feels like you are stuck at a plateau and that no matter how much work you put in you just can't improve. In fact, I would say the LSAT excels at making people feel like this.

Guess what, you are improving. Even if that score doesn't budge for a month, you are still honing your skills and improving on the test. Understanding is only half the battle on the LSAT, speed and accuracy is the rest. I learned the hard way that using your score as a metric to judge your progress will only lead to unbridled frustration. Don't do that! Instead of focusing on the macro of your score, focus on the micro of beating a difficult problem. Get yourself excited when you spot one of the LSAT's tricks, laugh at the test when you see it trying to beat you. Slowly over time these mini successes will accumulate, and that is when you will notice you are beginning to improve on speed and accuracy. You'll notice yourself finishing sections on time or even early. You'll have the new tool of having an extra couple of minutes to review the harder questions. You'll start seeing your score climb. It will be consistent.

You'll look back at all those moments you felt like you were not improving and realize that those were the moments you were improving the most. Those were the moments you were gaining an understanding of the test you did not have before. Those were the moments where you could of given up, but you didn't. You'll look back with a score you are proud of.

So don't settle. You are fully capable of beating the LSAT. I'd like to think that the LSATcantwin! :)

-Glen

Hi everyone,

New here so nice meeting you all. I'd like some advice on my next course of action given my situation.

I've written the LSAT twice and scored a 154 both times, once in September 2017 and once in December 2017. I've used a mix of self-studying, various books, and tutors, and my practice tests usually average around 156.

I'm signed up for February 2018 but I realize I have a lot of work to do, and there are just 35 days until the test.

I would love to focus on the June 2018 test instead, or even September 2018, because I find that despite what some others think, this test will take quite a long time and a lot of patience and practice to truly master. However, February is the last administration for this admission cycle of the schools I applied to.

I don't feel comfortable waiting another admission cycle because of the pressure at home and socially overall to be employed and have my career on track already. My family and friends are surprised it's taking so long to do well on a single test, and I sense that they don't think it's for me.

I honestly think I can do it if I have enough time and support, but I'm not sure those will be available after February.

Any tips will be appreciated!

I am currently in my sophomore year of college, and I'm wanting to go to law school right after completing my undergrad. My score on the diagnostic was in the 160s, and my ideal score is in the 170s. Which academic year should I take my first LSAT test in so that I would still have time to take a second test if necessary?

Thanks!

Amy

Hey, so I took the December test and had applied to 2 schools before the test. Since then, I have dramatically changed 1 paragraph in my PS, the rest is the same. 1 school has been reviewing my app, even without the dec. score while the other waited for my score.

Should I bother emailing them the updated version? The old paragraph was good, I just wanted to change it up a bit. The rest of the schools I applied to have this updated one. I know sending in a new LOR or an updated resume to show new employment is fine, but what about a PS?

Thanks!

After a few months of studying (blowing 50s and 60s tests last summer just PTing and reading PowerScore books), I scored my PT average in December: 160 (highest PT 164). My weak section was Logic Games - a big disappointment after having made serious LG gains in my last study month before the test. (In my defense, LG came as my very last section. Fatigue may have killed it - I hadn't been doing 5-section PTs and my experimental was LR)

So clearly, as I recommence studying for June, my focus is going to be Logic Games. I have 9 fresh tests left and am going to reorder the book of 62-71tests I did last summer. I'm thinking 5 months might be enough to have forgotten most of those tests. As much as possible, I'm going to photocopy and redo games again and again.

Plan:

Jan, Feb: 7Sage CC, Games, and reading

Mar, Apr, May: PT every two weeks. Daily drill with a favor for LG.

Bottom line, for anyone and especially those of us who are cheap: my advice would be to try to foolproof Logic Games ASAP. One game is a 3-4 point difference in a final score.

Hi all - Kind of embarrassing to post this but I need advice on how to reply to a rejected request for LOR...

So I've asked on of my professors to write me LOR. I was in two classes with this professor and honestly felt like I had a personal connection to her, so I was really shocked by her rejection. Her response was "I am going to decline your request. I remember you well from the Seminar, and enjoyed having you in class. I could write a generally positive letter, but not a really strong one. I think it’s probably best to ask a different professor. I do wish you well."

Ok first of all, ouch.

Anyways, do you think it's worth it to try to persuade her otherwise or take her offer for a "generally positive letter"? Or is it worth it to ask specifically why she felt like she couldn't write me a strong one? Should I just politely thank her and move on? I have no idea how to deal with this, any advice?

The other thing is that she was my top choice professor (I REALLY didn't think she'd say no). I could follow her advice to ask others but I was not personally invested in their classes... and I'm worried that if she said no then they will too. My other options are strong personal LOR from a lawyer that I volunteer with/practice public speaking with or a professional one from my project manager.

Hey everyone,

I'm very confused about what the length of a diversity statement should be. I hear everyone touting "no more than 1-page," but then when I read examples of "Great Diversity Statements," including ones provided by 7Sage, they're 1.5 or 2 pages.

Mine has come out to be 1.5 pages, and I feel like further cuts could harm the impactfulness of the essay.

Advice?

Hey everyone,

So I applied to some schools already using my September 2017 score, but my December 2017 score was better. I want to send these schools I already applied to my December score.

I e-mailed an admissions office of a school I already applied to, and they replied by saying:

Thank you for your email and continued interest in [Insert School Name] Law. If you would like to submit another LSAT score, please send it to us through LSAC and we can add it on to your file for review. Please let me know if you have any other questions regarding your application.

"

I don't know how to submit a new score through the LSAC website - can anyone help?

Thanks,

Paul

Hey guys,

For those of you who video tape your PTs, can you describe your method? I want to record myself PTing – like the videos of JY's live commentary. Do you all use your phone or a tripod or headstrap...?? lol Cant seem to find a good way to do it..

Thanks!

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I completed the Starter course and took the Dec. exam, but scored below my goal score. I got a 160 (was PT-ing between 162-164) and my target score is 168-170. I'm registered for the Feb. exam and don't know if I should extend the Starter course and do a lot of PTs these next few weeks/ review lessons for February OR if I should hold off for June and upgrade to the premium or ultimate and study for longer. I'm afraid I'll lose momentum from the Dec. exam. Appreciate any advice, thank you!!

I am currently studying for the February LSAT and feeling fairly confident about it, but I am planning to retake in June if I don't get a score I am happy with. I want to make sure I'm using the Preptests as wisely as possible. I was planning on using all of PT 52-81 between now and February, but I've realized that will leave me with only much older PTs (that I haven't seen before) to study from if I retake in June.

Should I reserve some of the newer PTs in case I end up retaking the test, or is it best to put everything into February and use all of them? Are the older PTs really that different from the recent ones?

Any and all input appreciated :)

Hi guys. I just have a quick question regarding formulating a new study schedule. My last two takes (September and December 2017) didn't go so well due to circumstantial issues as I cancelled both times, and I'm planning to take this cycle off. That said, I'm looking for any suggestions regarding an updated study schedule.

Quick facts about my history:

By Section:

LG: I have already fool-proofed LG 1-35. (I'm thinking of fool-proofing "new" games from 36-50.) Average about -1/-2.

RC: Needs a lot of work -- not sure how to build in regimented schedule for working on RC. Would timed sections work? Should I work by passage type? I think I have easier passages down, so should I focus on 4 star/5 star passages?

LR: Pretty solid, but still needs work on getting the last few curve-breakers. I average about -8 total (-3/-4 per section).

Lastly, I still struggle with timing in LR and RC -- I don't run out per se, but just really stretch to finish. Any tips?

I would appreciate any insight, thank you!