Hello, all.

I have recently started my LSAT endeavor. I scored a 145 on my diagnostic back in mid-June and am decided on hitting the high 160's or 170's for the upcoming September exam. Until discovering 7Sage, I have been studying the Powerscore LG bible (just about finished with it) and while I have grasped a better understanding of some types of games, I find it a bit lacking and want to implement 7Sage.

This said, my questions are as follows:

Which 7Sage course would be the best? I am torn between the Starter and the Ult.+. The Starter is less expensive and only about 3 months (which is just about when the test is), yet, the Ult.+ provides a wider breadth of question types and difficulties from which to choose from -- needless to mention the complete set of LSAT exams. Essentially, is the Ult.+ worth the extra cost considering the limited amount of time I will have to go through it all?

Should I finish the Powerscore bibles (or at the very least, the LG bible which I'm just about finished with?) before moving onto 7Sage? Or, should I just dive right into 7Sage and put the bibles to the side?

Thank you all in advance!

So I haven't gotten my score, but I'm quite confident that I didn't do as well as I had hoped. I've registered for the Dec test already and I guess I'm currently taking the week off (3 days left) before I get back into it.

Hi, everyone! I'm retaking in December but am forcing myself to halt LSAT prep for a week to start working on my PS. I hope to have a first rough draft complete by Monday, and I'd love to get feedback from a variety of sources. Would anyone be willing to trade essays with me to give and receive some constructive feedback? Please PM if so :)

And if you don't have an essay to give me, but you want to read/critique mine, let me know!

Okay I need an honest opinion from you all. My freshman year, literally my first weekend, I received a citation for drinking on campus, police were not involved, it was only campus RAs. Super dumb, I kick myself for it all the time.

I ended up working in the Dean of Students office during my undergraduate studies. So I asked the Dean if I should disclose that incident when applying to law school and he advised me not to if it's not listed on my official transcript. I ordered an official, sealed transcript and $15 later I realized that nowhere on my transcript does it mark any disciplinary action and lists me to be in good standing after every single semester.

Hey guys,

so I have finally finished the CC. YAYYY me. I just completed my first PT after completing the CC and let's just say I was quite anxious. Nonetheless, I was relieved to see an 157 after scoring a 142 on my diagnostic. I know I have a long way to go but let's just say all this studying has paid off so far. My diagnostic honestly had gotten me feeling super unmotivated, but taking this PT has definitely made me feel better.

I am aiming to write in December with a target score of 168+. Any advice on how I should study? I still need to fool proof LG, since I thought the LG on PT 51 felt like it might have been easier than some of the other LG I have done.

For the next 10 days, I am going to use the LG fool-proof method and drill down on LR and RC in between. Though I plan to drill LR and RC more once I have gotten LG down.

How have you guys have been drilling LR/RC or using the LG fool-proof method?

I feel like I struggle with reading the stimulus and understanding the material when I am being timed for LR.

In RC, I have done decent on passages but I couldn't finished one entire passage and for one of them I basically created only a low-resolution summary and was lucky enough to answer some of the questions and get them correct (received a 18/28, which is my best so far).

Any advice is welcome!

Thanks in advance :)

I'm in South Florida and the Sept. 16 test was postponed due to the hurricane. I got an email today saying I could stand-by at an open center (over an hour away) this Saturday the 23rd or I can take it on Oct. 14th at my original center (10 mins away) where I'll definitely have a spot.

Which should I take???

My main concern regards applying asap. To what extent is it advantageous to complete/submit an application on Oct. 12ish vs early Nov. (when I think the Oct. 14th score will come out). I'm afraid my next score won't be high enough, so I want that advantage of applying early. I already have one LSAT score, so I'll at least be starting applications very soon, but can't complete them until I get that second score.

My other concern is the score. My June LSAT was good (162) but not good enough. Over the past 2 months, I've been getting 166-169 on the prep tests from 2011-14. But on the most recent prep tests, since 2015, I'm back down 163-164 average. Its weird because these are actually the ones I had taken most recently prior to the June test. I also noticed this trend when I was studying for the June test. I do feel that the more recent tests are more difficult; on these most recent tests I get way more wrong in LR than usual and for some reason I can't finish the whole RC section which is odd because I usually can.

Anybody else have this experience?

My goal is 164 minimum.

Does anyone have any insight as to whether it is easier to get into law school part time? I have not been able to find any data.

Whenever I run the 7Sage page on my Mac laptop it seems to randomly heat my computer up to the point where the fans are running at full speed and the laptop is hot to the touch. At first I thought it was caused by something else, so I spent some time clearing up memory, checking browser extensions, "turn it off and back on again", etc. The problem kept occurring, but only when I was on the 7Sage website working through the lessons. If I exit 7Sage, the laptop fans slow down and the internal temperature drops back down again almost instantly.

Just wondering if anyone else out there with a Mac laptop has this happen to them on the 7Sage page, and if so, is it normal? Do you know how to get my laptop to calm down?

Thanks in advance! :)

Hey Everyone,

Apologizes if this has already been discussed somewhere but I had a quick question regarding sending transcripts into LSAC. I was wondering when I should send my transcripts to LSAC. If I send them now, will they not factor in the fall semester grades? Is it recommended that I wait until I have those grades in?

Also, on a related note, I was thinking about retaking a class in the winter in order to get a better grade. Just as some background, my high school offered duel enrollment classes and little did I know then that they would count towards my GPA in college. Long story short, I got a B+ in some mandatory health class and it's bringing my GPA down from a 4.0 to a 3.92. Do you think it's worth trying to retake over the winter term?

Thanks a ton!

Hey all, I wanted to do this as a favor for people who have yet to take a real LSAT. Saturday was my 2nd real LSAT. I sat for the September 2016 and September 2017 tests. Obviously one of them is still EXTREMELY fresh in my mind while I've had a year to come to terms with the other. If you have questions on what I did for a the year in-between, how the test feels compared to practice, what the real test day entails, what the real test feels like, or anything else feel free to ask me!!!

I WILL NOT ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SEPTEMBER 2017 TEST*

Hey all,

I had a question about what someone applying straight out of undergrad should include in their resume. I've worn a lot of hats over my undergraduate career. I was originally Pre-Med, so I worked in two biomedical research labs during my freshman year. After realizing medicine was not for me, I spent a summer interning for an appellate court, and then my sophomore year working at a law school as an assistant event planner. Then my junior year I actually took 9 months off school to work on the presidential campaign.

My campaign work is definitely my biggest job, and the one I had the most "prestige" and "authority" in. It was also the largest commitment - while I worked only 15-25hrs/wk in previous jobs, I was working 80-100hr/wk on the campaign. Consequently, I want to devote more space in my resume to this campaign work.

That being said, what should an undergraduate include in their resume? I know the conventional wisdom is keep your resume to ONE page. Thus, space is a precious commodity. Should you include every job you held in undergraduate, or should you just pick the most important ones/relevant ones? I'm thinking of just removing the research labs from the resume, and only including work on the court onward.

Thanks all,

Paul

Hi 7sagers! So I'm at a crossroads at the moment. I'm planning on attending law school in Fall 2020 when I'm 26, but I'm studying for the LSAT now and I've taken the most recent June test. I was planning on retaking the test for February 2018 and I've been using 7Sage for the past two months (which is AWESOME btw). I'm also aggressively paying off my student loans right now so I work two jobs. These loans are scheduled to be paid off in August 2018 as of now. I owe less than $18,000 and I started off at $25,311, so it's been working out pretty well.

My question is do you think it would be best if I paused my studying for the LSAT and take the November 2018 test instead so I can focus on paying down these loans faster by taking on a third job. With a third stream of income making at least an extra $100 a week, I think I can make it so I pay off my loans by May 2018. From there, I would study for the LSAT for six more months and take the test in November.

My reasoning behind this is working two jobs and trying to put my all in studying for this test is really tough. My second job is in catering so I often work 12-14 hours on Saturday and by Sunday, I don't want to move let alone study for several hours. Both of my current goals require time and by splitting this time between both of them, I don't feel as if I am optimizing my score as much as I know I can if I have the time to study. Another benefit of working in catering is that I can switch to on call hours where I basically am not scheduled to work unless the company really needs me so I can do that a couple of months before the test. This would allow me to dedicate my Saturdays to the LSAT once I paid off my student loans. Also since I won't be applying to law school until Fall 2019, taking the test in November 2018 wouldn't be too close to the application deadlines.

So what are your thoughts? Do you think this is a solid plan or do you feel like there is any pitfalls that I haven't taken into consideration? Thanks so much for your help!!

fyi: Before 7sage, I got a 153 on the LSAT. However, I have gone through the Logical Reasoning section of CC and my understanding has gotten so much better. I am aiming for a 160, but with a lot of hard work, this course, and blind review, I can surpass that. Thanks again!

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Hi all,

At the risk of embarrassing myself, I wanted to share something I learned. A few nights ago my husband and I had date night at Grapefest - Grapefest is an annual carnival in nearby Grapevine, TX where you can eat deep fried foods and drink wine for hours - I know, heaven right? Anyway, I came home still feeling buzzed from said wine drinking and decided to finish up the remaining 30 minutes of studying I promised to do for the day. I was studying 'Flaw' questions, the hardest of the hard for me, and this problem set happened to be the most difficult of the bunch. In my inebriated state, I started the questions assured I'd be completely off and get them all wrong but a strange thing happened: I was clear, focused and thoroughly understood each question and got all five correct in under 7 minutes.

As I sat there dumbfounded, checking each question (remember Flaw questions are my achilles heel) I realized what the difference was that night compared to my other study nights: I was drunk. And with drunkeness comes zero inhibition. I forgot all the little voices in my head that play negative thoughts when I'm studying :'this is too hard', 'you don't know the right answer', 'you suck at this', and I just studied with zero self-doubt and 100% confidence.

The lesson learned? - Drink a bottle of tequila before studying - just kidding. But find a way to release the self-doubt in your head during this process, it could just be that one thing keeping you from a 180.

*Disclaimer: I do not promote studying while intoxicated. This experience was only relayed to illustrate a point :-P

I've found that less annotation works well, but what other tips does anyone have?

Hey everyone,

I wanted to see if anyone had received word about a September makeup for all of us in Florida still waiting to take the Sep. LSAT. LSAC said they would let us know by the end of this week, but I was just wondering if anyone had already gotten word.

My PTs have been ranging between 168-173.

Does anyone have any advice on how and what helped them to push into the 175+ range?

Are there any law schools that take the average of your LSAT scores?

I've heard a lot of different things about a curve from the test. What exactly is the curve and does it drastically change the score? Anyone have any examples of the curve?

Hi guys,

I need some advice on the best and most effective way to study from now until the December exam. I just took the September exam. I know I will not be getting my ideal score. I didn't finish a section, and rushed two other sections...and this has never happened to me in the last month of PT'ing. So I want to take the December exam and execute my skills much better.

In giving your advice, can you tell me if you think its a good idea to take a break? I have not started studying again since the Sept 16 test day. I don't want to lose my skills I worked so hard to nail down. I am thinking to start up again tomorrow.

My other concerns are...not having enough new material. I have done PT 70-81, and I've definitely practiced a lot in the 60's so those PT's aren't completely new/blank for me either. I figure I will just start with the 60's anyways since its been a while since I've looked it them. Then next month the later 70-81 PT set should feel less familiar and I can do them over again...

I will also do targeted drills. I plan to start doing at least one RC section a day because that's one of the sections I felt really rushed on this test.

Any thoughts on this topic would be appreciated!!

I was curious about what the curve on the September LSAT would be. I began searching through recent tests to see if a test with easy LG ever had a -11 curve. Both 78 (-11 curve) and 76 (-12 curve) had their LG difficulty listed as "easiest" (1/5). This struck my as strange, because to me these games are more difficult than 81 which has its LG section listed as "easier"( 2/5). Are the ratings just assigned by someone or are they the result of averaging user's scores?

Does 7sage take into account the curve on tests when grading PTs? Also does Powerscore (if anyone knows)?

Just curious!

So I took the exam today and I was super bummed because I absolutely blanked on logic games. They were standard and I had done similar games dozens of times before usually only going -1 to -2 but I just blanked.

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I plan on drilling games and filming myself but feel kind of discouraged especially after doing so many games and feeling like i'm pretty good to blanking out and ruining my score with this easy section.

any advice would be appreciated. thx

- I have noticed, at least on my last two test, that I just have difficulty doing the first couple of questions on my first LR section, between the question # 2-9. This is especially true if that happens to be the first section on the test! I'll end up skipping like 3-4 questions within the first set of questions. And I am too nervous at the end anyways when I have less than 5 minutes to complete those question to do them calmly.

But on my second LR section I usually fly. Finish on time, my skipped questions are not mostly congregated in the first couple of questions, and even though I am still nervous at the end when little time is left, I am a bit more relaxed because I know they are harder and I have got all the easy ones right (at least hopefully). Whereas on the other one, I know those are easy and I just have a block against them. Which probably makes me more nervous!

Or at least I think that is the issue that's going on.

1) What can I do to not have this block?

2) I have noticed this pattern before on the last two test and have thought about a warmup. What length of warmup is appropriate before a test? And how long before a test should I do that warmup?

3) Also, I have only recently started using the skipping strategy. So could it just be nervousness?

What do you guys think? And what do you all do to before a test to help get your brain going :D

Hey everyone,

This post is just to see if anybody will be interested in this first. I will be going over PT's in 70 plus series only. We are going to try out a new way to do PT schedule. Instead of a 3 month set PT schedule we will be more flexible. When we review a PT, then I will assign which PT we will do next. I am looking to do this on Saturdays.

Let me know if any of you will be interested. :)

So my original intent was to take the June and Sept retake, but I procrastinated too much to be adequately prepared for June. Having just taken the Sept test, my concern now is that, for the Dec score to make a meaningful impact, I would have to score at least 4 or so points higher. My concern is based on some data I came across previously on one of those sites (lawschoolnumbers?) that let you play around with LSAT scores and GPA ranges from thousands of former applicants, from years 2011-16ish, throughout different stages of the app cycle. Basically, you can input a particular GPA and LSAT score range along with the month the application was sent, and based on all former applicants whose ranges match those selected, it shows the percentage of those applicants who were admitted/waitlisted/rejected to the various schools they applied (you can even exclude URM). I found that, assuming equal GPA/LSAT ranges, those who applied from roughly Sept - mid/late Nov had a significant boost in their chances of admission over those who applied late Dec - March. Specifically, it appeared that one would need an increase in LSAT of at least 2 or 3 pts to make up for applying later in the cycle. So for those of us considering retesting in Dec, I'm wondering how exactly we should weigh the above info. More importantly, is anyone else familiar with this phenomenon? Would it put us in a different category, in terms of the effectiveness of our 2nd test in improving our admissions chances, if we applied in late October/early November and updated our apps with the improved LSAT scores in January, instead of submitting the application altogether in january?