So, I signed up for the September LSAT and although I have been studying for a couple months, I know I won't be ready. I have a 3.8 GPA and right now am around a 157 LSAT score. I may increase it a little before the test, but I think it's time I make the decision to postpone until December. Do you guys think I'm making the right call on this? Just wanted some insight before making the final decision.

Thanks!

So if I see that an answer choice weakens or strengthens just one premise, but doesnt necessarily make the argument air tight, is this still okay?

So i have decided on september. This way i can have a fall back to december if need be.

Heres the dilemma. Iv on taken pt78,72,71,70,65,62,19.(i took abunch on my first round of studying last September but im not counting those)

iv foolproofed games 1-40 and all the pts iv taken.

Iv practically drilled all questions from 1-35 also.

Iv taken tons of timed sections from 1-50.

I still have tons of material i havent seen yet. But i am scoring above my target.(im averaging a 173 and im shooting for a 169+)

What do you guys suggest i spend the rest of my two weeks doing? Should i work on more games, see some.new tests?

Hello everyone,

I am set to take the September LSAT and have been studying content since early May. I finished the core curriculum about a month ago and have been getting in the low 140s. Should I start reconsidering? Anyone have any successful review methods after core curriculum?

So I just took PT 64 under timed conditions, with a experimental section and everything, and I scored a 176!!!!!

Which is should be, and was, extremely satisfying and encouraging with D day less than 2 weeks out.

However, I missed 4 questions on the same logic game, which is all that separated me from the holy grail, a 180. I haven't yet looked back at the game to find out where it fell apart, but obviously that's priority numero uno. I'm guessing that I'm misread a rule, or diagrammed something incorrectly, because surely I couldn't have made such gratuitous errors in the midst of such a smashing performance. Right?

Anyway, just humble-bragging for a second, but also I shall update once I've identified my betrayer and can make an informed plea for assistance in avoiding such traps in the future.

Eat, Drink and be Merry, Happy Labor day Americans!

Hey guys,

Was just curious how people here deal with confidence blows when writing PTs. I notice that sometimes if I struggle on one section during a PT (especially if it is one of the early sections), sometimes it is hard to shake the confidence blow and that feeling it can carry into the other sections.

I have some little techniques I do to work with this, but just wondering how others deal with confidence blows in ways that help them get up quickly after feeling knocked off center.

Hi everyone,

So I was wondering, since the PT's available in the Starter Course are kind of old, how accurate would they be in estimating my performance on the December LSAT?

A reoccurring nightmare of mine is to wake up on September 16 and drive to Starbucks and to accidentally lock my keys in my car (with my ID and admissions ticket) or have my battery die or get a flat tire. It's a somewhat irrational fear, since I've locked my keys in the car once in my life and have never gotten a flat tire.

I did, however, have my battery die once. The day before the June 2017 test actually (Thank God I had postponed my registration weeks before anyways).

This lovely Labor Day morning, 11 days before the September test, I was going about my normal PT morning routine to realize that I left my experimental section at my boyfriends' house (he has an awesome office so I sometimes use his office to study). I called him and asked him to bring my manilla folder out to me so I can just swing by and quickly return to my normal route. So I drive by to grab it and notice that I have some unwanted garbage in my car, so I get out to grab the garbage and dispose of it, only to lock my keys inside my running car. To my dismay, my spare keys are packed away somewhere (I am currently in the process of moving, so many things are packed away in boxes) and now I have to find a lock smith at 6:30am on Labor Day. With no luck.

I called the police department, no luck. I called the Sheriff's office and they were willing to help. So we waited about 30 minutes when a very kind officer came and broke into my car.

But then I noticed that my experimental section was not in the manilla folder. I searched frantically for it, to no avail. I must have left it on my desk at work? Who knows...so with limited PTs scheduled in my future and this being one of the final ones, my Type A personality got the best of me and I started to panic at my loss of control over the situation. I went back to my house to try and find a section-any section-but most of my old LSAT books are used and, therefore, I packed them away thinking that, from this point on, I'll only need the newer stuff. But then I decided to take miscellaneous questions from some practice material I gathered for my warm up and create a custom experimental section. So now I have a hand-made experimental section consisting of 2 LGs and 2 RCs. I may have taken them in the past too- I don't recall haha. Better than nothing I guess?

I've had a lot of weird things happen during a PT morning (one time, I kid you not, a bird flew into me at Barnes and Noble during a PT. Apparently a bird had gotten in the building and then saw the girl trying to study for the LSAT and figured that I was a good target to attack), but this morning really threw me off.

Nonetheless, I am about to go take PT78 with my customized experimental section. It's much later than I usually start and my mental game is a bit thrown off, but I guess I have to prepare for anything right? Including being attacked my birds and have my worst nightmare come to fruition during my PTs (even though, if that happened on September 16, I would, without hesitation, break my car window. This is war, people.)

Will this be a problem? The last PT I will attempt before September 16 will then be December 2014 one ... Am I missing out on a lot?

I have been trying to stick to the group 1-4 method. Previously, if I read "except" I would make what follows the necessary condition and then simply negate the remaining and make that the sufficient. For example, "Mark goes to school except on Sunday" would be /MGS--->Sun and /Sun-->MGS. So my question is do you guys categorize "except" in group 3? Negate the sufficient? What about this example, "Mark does NOT go to school EXCEPT on Sunday." I would again, choose except as the indicator, make what follows the necessary, and negate the remaining and get MGS-->Sun and /Sun-->/MGS. I am trying to rewire my brain with JY's computer algorithm, but "except" is the only glitch.

Hi,

Don't know if I'm abusing my limit of posting on the discussion forum but pls have mercy.

Could someone, anyone, possibly walk me through a typical PT review, one that emphasizes quality and allows me to gain the most traction for future PTs. I can't seem to adopt a specific ritual. Please share your techniques! I do the logic games again, do the LR questions I got wrong, try to see why I got them wrong, and do the RC passage I skipped (since I only attempt 3/test). For example, how long do you professionals wait until reviewing the test after writing? Teach me your ways!

I'm writing for the September 16, 2017 test and hoping to squeeze in a few tests during the next two weeks. Could you guys also possibly recommend a specific number of tests I should try to reach while maintaining good practices of reviewing to ensure a good score on test day?

Thanks again! You guys rock!

Hey guys!

I had my LSAT break through a few days ago and I wanted to share. After studying for 4 months, I decided to postpone writing the LSAT until the December sitting.

I've been having the most inconsistent scoring these last few weeks, from 155's-175's and yesterday I BR'd at a flipping 180. I'm at that awkward stage where I understand the logic behind it, but not consistently enough to trust myself to write the LSAT. A little disappointed, because it's daunting to know that this test will be my life for another 3 months, but I think I'm making the right decision, since my dream school is Columbia (and Harvard but it seems crazy to write that).

So, I'm heading back to the CC after taking this weekend off and will be drilling each LR question type (where I struggle) in between each lesson + webinars when available. I want to focus on studying the structure of each question types, and understand wrong answer choices. My goal is to get through the CC+ drilling in September, so that I have two months to PT and get that 175+ in December. I've been hearing a lot of back and forth about whether or not schools care about multiple sittings, and my take on it is this tests matters too much for me to risk a sloppy take. I'm confident in my softs (I'm an investigative journalist focusing on national security + won national awards for my work + other things), so I don't think applying later will hurt too much. I didn't want to apply ED anyways, because a Columbia adviser said they almost never give scholarships to people who apply binding. Being Canadian, and paying international fees, I definitely don't want to pay law school entirely on loans.

SO, basically, if anyone in Toronto want's to go through a little LSAT bootcamp with me, along with exercising and eating right, hit me up :)

Hi there,

I've finished all the prep-tests (35-81) but still want to try out some timed sections with questions I've had no exposure to. I just found these random Preptests in the Analytics list, but am not sure how to access them. Do they come with the Ultimate package?

Up until last week, I was feeling really confident.

My previous five scores (under strictly timed/bubbled/public conditions):

PT 57- 179 (definitely an outlier)

PT 72- 173

PT 66- 173

PT 71- 173

PT 77- 176

PT 81 comes out and all the cool kids are taking it. 169. (LR -6; LG -0; RC -4)

To be honest, I didn't BR it as hard as I should have because I was anxious about the score so it only went up to 173. I have since gone over every question on the test and feel like I understand it inside and out. And then I took off two days to avoid burnout because I really am trying to learn from y'all's wisdom.

But I was still pretty freaked out about the drop so I took 80 to convince myself that I just had an off day and that I really could do the most recent tests.

...166. (LR -8; LG -3; RC -5)

(BR brought it up to 177; -2 LR, -2 RC)

For both 81 and 80---nothing really stood out in regards to having a bad day or anything. I always feel panicked during a test and grossly underestimate my score, but these tests didn't feel noticeably worse.

Perhaps I felt a bit more pressure since I knew these were the most recent and hence the best comparisons to the real deal and then feeling like it was do-or-die for 80 after the previous test. But if it really is an issue of underperforming under stress, things aren't going to end well on the 16th or in law school anyway.

Several of the questions were stupid mistakes, but I realized there was an RC passage I didn't fully understand the first time through and a couple of LR questions that I didn't understand under timed conditions (but I get them now.) I haven't been unable to finish an LG section in about 10 tests, but even if that had gone perfectly I still would have been stuck with a 168.

Is this because I haven't taken enough recent tests? (72, 71, and 77 are the only ones I've done in the 70's. I was trying to save them.) Is it just a couple of off days in a row and I need to chill the #%*$ out? What do I need to do to move forward? How do I assess if I need to postpone (and much more importantly--how do I avoid postponing because ughhhh)?

Thanks so much for your help!

Hey everyone, was just curious if anyone knows whether our photo printout for the LSAT admissions form can be in black and white or if I need to take it to kinkos to print it out in color?

Seeing how anal LSAC seems to be about a lot of these kinds of details, just wanted to make sure!

So my transcripts were fully processed and I accessed the Academic Summary Report and saw that there was pretty big gap between the "Degree (summary GPA" and the "Cumulative GPA". Not sure as to what the difference between the two is even though I read the description box. And not sure as to which one is used as part of my application. Also if I have received A+'s during undergrad how do I find out if they counted as 4.33 or 4.0?

Hey all.

I've taken 30+ PT's by this point, but found that I skipped the June 2007 diagnostic exam. I took it, untimed, today just for practice drilling questions, and actually found it to be really really difficult. Like 9pts lower than my average score difficult.

The LG was easy, but RC and LR - which felt deceptively easy - actually destroyed me (-5 on RC; -9 on LR). Coupled with a non-existent curve and my score was abysmal lol.

Anyone else find the diagnostic questions difficult?

Hello,

When answering principle questions, we want an answer that obviously doesn't violate the stimulusm, and conforms most to the text.

Is too general an answer choice bad? And in using certain words (specifically the medical advance question in the PT 40s) , can we assume that two words can mean different things or that one word can be more inclusive and cast a wider net than the way it is used in the stimulus?

So one question said that medical tests are advancing so that we can detect diseases early, but most of these diseases aren't curable yet by medicine. Then it raises an ethical dilemma.

Now the answer choice I put is "the more we learn, the more you realize how little we know".

The correct answer choice was "advances in medicine can raise ethical concerns".

If we assume that advances in medical technology/tests constitutes an advance in medicine then I understand it. But it states that we can't cure them using current medicines so can we really say medicine advanced?

It was too uncertain to me so I went with the wrong answer, the more general one. Or maybe there is another mistake in what I chose.

Thanks and GL studying !

So I just took it and completely bombed it. I found LR to be extremely difficult and it is a strong section for me.

Anyone think this PT sucked or am I the only one?

edit: I got a 166 on it and went -2 on LR1 and -8 on LR2. This has not happened to me in a very long time. Maybe I was just not very focused, idk, it's worrying me though with the Sept LSAT right around the corner.

Hi, In the Logical Reasoning section, how do you know when you’ve eliminated a wrong answer choice for the wrong reason (because of faulty reasoning) as oppose to a reason that's just different from what JY points out in the explanation video? Do you do anything specific to ensure that your thought process is not illogical, unreasonable, or out of bounds? Please comment.

Good morning 7Sage, I am back - as always - to ask some advice from everyone. Let me start by showing a break down of my last 5 PT's numbers.

PT C2: -6 RC, -7 LR, -1LG 166

PT 76: -6 RC, -7 LR, -1LG 169

PT 74: -9 RC, -6 LR, -1LG 167

PT 81: -4 RC, -12 LR, -2 LG 164 (wtf happened here..)

PT 66: -7 RC, -4 LR, -1 LG 169

Average: 167

Okay. This is where I am at currently.

1.) LR needs work. I miss Flaw and harder NA questions fairly often. In-between PT 81 and 66 I went back and reviewed ALL the fundamental basics for each LR question type. I was able to bring the score from -12 total to -4. What happened here? Why was a basic review necessary? How do I retain that level of LR proficiency so I don't lose it again? Prior to my review of the basics I completely forgot how to do MSS questions.

2.) LG - I don't know how the LSAC does it, but that one point is sloppy. I just can't get rid of it though. It follows me around like a lost puppy. It can be any type of question but typically it's;

or a "could be true" where I don't accurately read the question.

3.) RC - I have good days and I have bad days. I average a -6 in this section. The biggest thing here is I still don't feel like I have a solid strategy. I know this is the hardest section to improve, but I hate feeling like I am winging it. I have now done some of the RC portion of 7Sage and read more in the Trainer/Bible. I have found reading for structure helps a lot, but I still struggle with inferences. I just don't have the right mindset for what can be inferred from the passages.

I'm sorry this post is super personalized but this community is the only one I trust for advice. I need opinions on what people think is going on. I'm at the brink of pushing into the 170's and on a REALLY good day I can break it. I've scored as high as a 175 before. I'm just stuck at this final plateau and can't seem to budge!

Let's tackle these!

So when I uploaded my picture for my admission ticket it seemed fine, but now that I've printed it off it looks like there's a shadow on half my face! Is it possible that they will let me change my picture even though it's after the deadline if I call them or something, or am I basically screwed out of taking the LSAT in September?

Hey guys!

Just curious, what's the take on letters of recommendation for graduate students?

Do students get letters from graduate professors or should we go back to our undergraduate professors and hope they remember you? Since our undergraduate grades are the ones that count for admissions, should we ask undergrad profs?

In my case, I went to a grad program that had professors that basically SUCKED and it's literally like pulling teeth to get them to do ANYTHING. I'd probably have a better shot getting a better letter from my undergrad school.

I'd love to hear opinions!

Thanks!

never mind, figured it out lol