I realize that some people notice a drop in their scores once they reach the latest PTs. I don't know how widespread this phenomenon is, but do you think it is wise or advantageous to do an older PT (say, in the 40s and 50s) with a fifth section from a newer PT? Or if I do an older one on one day and the next time I PT, do a more recent one? I've also heard that some of the newer PTs have some experimental logic games, so would alternating between older and newer PTs (the older known for having some funkier games) be a smart move/good way to ensure I am not thrown off too much compared to progressing precisely in chronological order?

Does anybody know when LSAC says they release your file to all attending law schools if that means all your demographic info like SSN's, birthdates, and contact info? What with identity fraud run rampant, I am concerned that my signing up to attend would allow dozens of schools to which I will not be applying to have my info in their computers, available to unknown numbers of staff, etc. Is it possible to attend by just showing up that morning without releasing your info? I've already been an ID victim twice and not interested in having it happen again.

Hello! I am a rising Junior in college and I am looking to go to law school after I am finished with undergrad. Can someone please tell me where to begin in my LSAT prep or any study practices you've used during your LSAT preparations? Have I started to late in preparing?

Here's my anecdotal evidence that the 70s PTs are harder (or at least different) from earlier modern PTs.

PTs 54-59, 61, 62, 65, 66 (Not cherry picking, these are just the tests I've done from these series):

Avg. score: 174.5 (high 177 [thrice], low 170 [once])

Avg. RC: -2.3

Avg. LR: -2.4

Avg. LG: -2.6

PTs 70-77 (excluding PT 76):

Avg. score: 171.1 (high 174 [once], low 169 [twice])

Avg. RC: -2.7

Avg. LR: -4.8

Avg. LG: -2.9

For me at least, this is clear evidence that the LSAT has evolved. That evolution has made the test noticeably harder.

A couple interesting data points:

* I once got three consecutive -0 RCs in the 50s. Haven't gotten a single one since.

* I'm now getting twice as many questions wrong on LR. I think it's because they're using less formal logic and more complex grammar forms and/or extremely subtly wrong trap answer choices.

Anyone else seen a similar trend? I found this exercise simultaneously interesting and depressing.

Hi 7sagers! I just came across this podcast - so far I think it's pretty interesting and wanted to share it with the community since it seems like something that a 7sage student might enjoy... It is by "lawyers who hate being lawyers" but I think they love the law, so much so that they want to talk about it and analyze it for our entertainment. Sounds pretty great, right? ;) so, for your LSAT study breaks, you have another way to nerd out:

The Citizen's Guide to the Supreme Court.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/citizens-guide-to-supreme/id950099189?mt=2

http://www.citizensguidetothesupremecourt.libsyn.com/size/2

I've reached the point where I consistently score -0/-1 (-1 is usually due to carelessness, if anything) on LG. How do people suggest I shift my attention more to LR and RC without faltering on LG? (FYI, I have been mainly doing older LGs, like in the 30s-40s. When do they get more 'mainstream', i.e. less experimental?)

Do I PT and add LR/RC as my fifth and/or sixth sections? Should I drill? Is it advisable for me to do 4 or 5 of the same sections in one go (with a break in between)? Should I be focusing on LG in addition to the sections I do during PTs? Any other ideas?

After looking at the previous threads and realizing they were outdated, I want to know if this upcoming LSAT will resemble the single-serve PTs in the 70s, except with 5 sections instead of 4?

So, staples along the left, probably lacking the explanations of the LSAT in the front, 5 sections, writing sample, no answer sheet at the back, duh.

Does Generally/Usually = Most?

I always warm up before taking a PT and I know that it def helps, but I was wondering if any 7sagers advocate specific warm ups over other (e.g. doing a full game instead of a few LR questions). Also, do you guys generally check the answers to your warm up questions? I know that the answers to these questions are subjective to an extent, but I am just curious. I usually either do an RC passage (it's my weakest area) or 3/4 LR questions and then check the answers right after. Thanks in advance!

Does anyone know what the equivalent of number 2 pencils are in the UK? I've been googling, and some websites say HB while others say 2B!

Is this allowed in court? What if it's a small wrist tattoo?

To my surprise, I see many people here have actually taken the LSAT thrice. This will be my case but it sort of made me nervous because I was told after the 2nd LSAT, schools begin to look disfavorably towards your application(?) thoughts?

Hi Guys,

I am currently concentrating on my LSAT studying shooting for higher than 170+ in Sept.

I have got a LL.M degree in law school in DC, majored in international business law. But I am a group study girl, I am good at organizing study groups, and I feel I concentrate more with friends encourage each other.

I am currently studying at the main NYLP, sometimes go to cafe to study. If you are studying lsat too, please feel free to contact me, we can review exam together, share LSAT knowledge and encourage each other together to boost our score.

Please send me PM, thanks.

Regards,

Joy

I am just curious to know if anyone here has written an LSAT with accommodations. If so i just had some specific questions

Where do you guys obtain your PTs (in hard copy)?

This will be my 3rd time taking the LSAT in the same testing center. The past two times the desks were extremely small. I am 5'7" mainly legs which do not fit comfortably under the desk. I have to extend them all the way or sit side ways to cross my legs. There isn't any room for my eraser and pencils, those have to be placed on my lap and I have to fold my test booklet vertically in half as it does not fit fully open. Not to mention all the times I my test booklet or desk hits the seat in front of me from moving it or adjusting myself. What can I do about this? Is there any way to request a bigger desk?! The LSAT is stressful enough. I hate to have the desk be an added factor.

I'm going to be traveling a lot this coming week, and I'd love to be able to study while on the plane. Is there any way to access course materials offline? I realize I could pay for WiFi access on the plane, but I'd rather save my money... I'm pretty broke at the moment. I know in previous years the answer has been no, but I was hoping some portion of the lessons might be available.

It says on the admission ticket that I'm not allowed to contact LSAC test center supervisors for any reason. I've heard different things about my test center having those small, pull-out desks and I wanted to ask someone at the college if that'll be the case. Is this in violation of LSAC rules? From the wording on the ticket it seems so, but I've never heard of this before.

Anyone out there know how I can get my hands on PT 41-50 without spending exorbitant amounts of money? My unseen PT stockpile is getting quite low and I'd like to dip into the 40s before moving on to the more recent tests. Any leads would be greatly appreciated.

Hey Sages,

I finished the 7 sage curriculum and I'm in the PT/review portion of my LSAT. I've been reviewing each question and returning to the curriculum after each test to review the lessons on Flaw, Parallel Flaw, SA, NA but my scores are kind of all over the place:

PT 36: 163/ BR: 167

PT 37: 158: BR: 170

PT 38: 167/ BR: 174

PT 39: 161/ BR: 170

Any ideas as to what this is or what steps I can take to improve?

Any splitters in the house? (High LSAT/Low GPA)

or better yet, any splitter with a success story? :D

Okay, I’ve taken my previous LSATs at my alma mater. It was great. Huge desks in a room I’ve had classes in on a campus I know intimately in a city I call home. What more could anyone ask for? Well in their wisdom, they’ve decided not to administer the test in September. I’m pretty sure they’re only doing it to screw with me, but regardless, I’ve got to find a new center.

I’m like, okay, well I’ll just have to do it in Oxford. Whatever, no big deal. Wrong. Big deal. It occurred to me (thank god) to check the football schedule and sure enough, there’s a home game that day- and an SEC conference game at that. There is no way I’m taking the LSAT in that environment.

So I’m just going to leave.

My question is, where should I go? I’ve been thinking of cities like San Francisco, NYC, DC. I can go anywhere. But I think what I’m really wanting is something small and peaceful like a little village on the Pacific coast like with cliffs, a small independent B&B, and probably a dark secret of some kind (those little towns always have something like that going on, right?). Or maybe like somewhere tucked away in the Rockies near a mountain lake. Some kind of serene shit like that, you know?

So, any suggestions?

Hi guys,

Have you guys tried printing out the admission ticket to see how your LSAT photo looked? The photo I uploaded on the site met the requirements, but when I printed it out with my black and white printer,the photo quality came out somewhat grainy. It's still clear enough to discern my identity but not as sharp as I would like. Is this an issue that you guys came across with? Should I just try using a better printer to be safe? LSAC said as long as the picture clearly indicates my identity I would be fine.

7Sagers, is there an example of a LR question that you have deconstructed front to back that really paid dividends for you? I’m not talking about magic bullets or anything, but a question that after you had a foundational grasp of LR down, provided an understanding that you felt took you to a deeper comprehension of the test? Maybe a question that you were thankful you got wrong because of the insight heavily reviewing it provided? If possible, I would like to use this thread to bring together our views as a community on this matter. Disparate points of view, like the sinews of the rope are often the strongest when they come together.

For me, my question is 53-3-22, the Paradox-Except question. The first layer of difficulty on this question for me is the “except” element of the question stem. For some reason, I lose sight of this when my brain tries to make the answer choices fit, when they do fit (that is to say, when they actually resolve the paradox) it takes a fair amount of discipline for me to not consider them the “correct” answer. Essentially, I feel as though it takes me an extra step to first translate the answer in a manner in which resolves the paradox and then eliminate it as wrong. I am reminded in this regard of what Marx wrote about the clunkiness of learning a new language: " In like manner, the beginner who has learned a new language always translates it back into his mother tongue, but he assimilates the spirit of the new language and expresses himself freely in it only when he moves in it without recalling the old and when he forgets his native tongue.”

The first lesson this question provided me was not to waste the mental energy on the “Except” part. Simply know before I sit for the actual test that “except” means what it means and be familiar enough with the exam that that process is automatic and smooth. The first time I got this question wrong I simply chose something that resolved the paradox (C) and wrote “Easy!” in the margins. This will never happen again.

The next lesson this question taught me what was both out-of-bounds and in-bounds in the realm of assumptions. That is to say what constitutes “implausible, superfluous…” by “common sense standards” when weighing the assumptions of answer choices? The second time I got this question wrong I chose (A) because I thought it took more assumptions to consider (A) as a resolution than it did any other. So count that as 2 times I got this question wrong for 2 different reasons.

At the end of the day for this question, you are forced to weigh whether (A) or (B) actually resolves the paradox more. (A) carries with it the assumption that because libraries are buying fewer “popular” novels, that people are choosing to buy them at bookstores and therefore are increasing profit. (B) carries with it the assumption that not only are bookstores contained within the nebulous “most” retail category in which shoplifting has hit, but that the cost of the “sophisticated antitheft equipment” was not only covered by bookstores being “largely unaffected,” but that it actually lent itself to “increased profits,” all within the realm of “recent.” Colloquially, if I were to show (B) to my friends who are nurses or chefs or mechanics, it would make sense as something that resolved the issue. Yet the assumptions that it carries because of the wording, require much more mental gymnastics than (A) does to resolve the issue.

Lesson #2 this question taught me: you are going to have to sometimes make some assumptions, make them cautiously and weigh your options. you don't have to love the answer choice for it to be correct.

Lesson 3 is to bury the question when you've answered it. It's worth 1 point.

So 7Sagers, I hope this wasn't too stream-of-conscious, but what are yours? I look forward to your comments!

-David

Hi guys,

I was reading through the rules on my admission ticket and apparently you aren't allowed to visit the testing room itself prior to the exam nor call the test center supervisors prior to the exam as well. Does thiis means that we can't call ahead to see if there are any ongoing construction projects or any noisy distractions on the day of the exam? How could they possibly enforce these two rules?