What should I be doing to ensure that my time studying is utilized in an efficient manner? After finishing the 7sage course I took 4 PT's 19-22 I am averaging in the 150's with BR's in the 160's. I do not want to waste PT's. What should I be doing at this point, drilling, or continue PT'ing? I currently stopped PT'ing and decided to drill my LR weaknesses as well as logic games. My logic games is still terrible, but I just recently started getting into deep Logic games drilling and understanding. I am using the fool proof method and getting better, but I am def still terrible.

Any tips? My most recent exam was 169 w/ 179 BR. I got 2 wrong on the RC, 4 wrong each on two LR sections,... and a TON wrong on the logic games.

How did you break 170?

Quick question,

My PT scores overall, and for the last 10 tests especially, have remained constant:

159: 1

160: 1

162: 1

163: 6

164: 1

(in no particular order)

These exams have all been from PTs 55-66, so newer material. All of my BR ranges from 168-172. I have been at this since March, with a diagnostic score of 148. Have I peaked? What can I do to surge another couple points before test day?

I typically take a PT every other day, with BR, LG drills or study of a certain LR question type on the in between days.

Any help would be great!

This list is not in any particular order.

1) Get exposure to natural light. Light inhibits melatonin production. Your body has a natural circadian rhythm that is tied to the day/night cycle. So basically, at night it produces melatonin and that helps you fall asleep. Keep in mind that exposure to smartphones also inhibits melatonin production. But you've probably already noticed that lol.

2) Take a very cold shower. When your body is experiencing a cold environment, it redistributes blood from external parts to more internal (and integral) parts of your body such as your heart and brain. In other words, it gives your body a little shock and improves blood circulation.

3) Short-term vs long-term energy. In short, if you're a coffee drinker, put a healthy fat in your coffee. Coconut oil (virgin) or butter for instance. Fat is a longer term energy source so it's a good sidekick for your coffee.

4) Exercise. Did you think I was going to leave this one out? This one is more obvious. I personally don't overdo it. Just some movement not necessarily power lifting or marathon running lol. The goal is to improve circulation.

This isn't an exhaustive list. There are other things you can do and I'm sure everyone has their own daily routine anyway. Maybe there are some exercise scientists here as well. I didn't mention ingesting protein as part of your breakfast, which is also beneficial. But anyway, I wanted to share this and maybe it'll help you out.

Hello Folks,

If you check my posts, I have timing problems. When I do the test untimed, I get more than 20 points higher (160s) than the timed test. Any input is very appreciated.

If you are having ANY issues with LR, especially flaw related questions (which if you haven't realized yet, they pretty much all are, and LSAT Trainer will tell you that) then you have got to get the LSAT Trainer. It is unreal how simple the book makes detecting and finding flaws. It trains you to approach questions in a way that neither 7sage nor PS have been able to do for me. I have only read about half of the LR curriculum in the book, but have already seen improvement. In fact, I just took PT 65 and only had -1 on the first LR section and -0 after BR, whereas I usually average -5. Granted it's a small sample size, but the key is that I no longer approach questions, especially NA and SA, and have NO clue what to do. Thanks to LSAT Trainer I have so much more confidence when going up against those questions.

TL;DR Buy LSAT trainer to help with LR, it works. And no, I don't work for the author. :)

Hello all,

I have been consistently scoring well on PT's in the 60's, but I've experienced a drop off on PT's 70-75 on reading comprehension and logic games. On those two sections, what exactly is the test doing differently? Has anyone noticed any patterns or tricky behavior by the test makers? I can't quite put my finger on it, but they seem tougher.

so basically I've been studying since May, but I made a mistake and was practicing with really old tests. So until last week, I was getting around 168-169 and a couple 170+ .....but then recently (right after the September 11 deadline to change test date) I tried the recent tests and my scores have dropped by a lot erratically. I know it's my fault - I was dumb and was practicing with ancient tests so I know what I did wrong there, but I wanted some advice on moving forward

I have to take the October test now but I'll cancel my score (which sucks), but I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong??? I feel like I forgot everything I've learned, and I still haven't established "habits" on any of the sections. Every time I get good at a section type, I feel like I forgot everything in the other sections!!! I don't know how to explain this but I just feel stupid

How do you guys organize your weeks with PTing and reviewing content? I've been PTing and BRing 3 times a week, but I still haven't established habits that come naturally. Under the time pressure, I always forget to do VERY important things, like identify the conclusion or find the flaw before moving on to answer choices! Especially with the recent tests, I go back to being a beginner when timing myself

"People want to be instantly"

Just want to make sure I'm diagramming correctly. The conclusion that it's imprudent to appear prudent can be diagrammed as the following:

It is imprudent to appear pru.

APrudent----> imprudent

I diagrammed the premise that people who appear prudent are generally resented as: APrudent-----> GR

The gap is GR------> imprudent which is what answer choice E is saying (It is imprudent to cause people to resent you) So if you cause people to resent you, it is imprudent. So the chain is as follows APrudent-----> GR----> Imprudent.

Was my diagramming correct?

Title basically sums it up. I'm wondering what's worked for people "drilling" RC. How many full sections per day would be ideal?

With approx 2 weeks till test day i am starting to feel stressed. I work 9 to 7 everyday and work out 4 days a week. In the past I have been waking up at 5 to study 3 hours before work. I have no new material to cover-- just all section work and full PTS (I'm scoring around 175 on retakes). Any suggestions for a study schedule moving forward? I want to be 100 percent for test day!

Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere, but I'm wondering what procedure people use for adding an extra section in. Do you always do a particular one, like LG, or mix it up? How do you choose where to stick it in? One thing I'm concerned about is that I won't devote my full effort to it if I know which section is unscored. I just want to make my practice testing as representative as possible of the real LSAT

What the hell do I put aside from, "Dishwasher -- McDonald's 2008-2014" ?

jk, but really?

Ok so I would appreciate feedback on my thought process for this Nec. Assumption question. I chose B incorrectly and am trying f

Conclusion: philosophical thought is unique to humans

Evidence: Apes are the only nonhuman animals who can learn human language.

Apes have never verbally articulated, in human language, philosophical questions

Ok, so the gaps/assumptions I noted were:

1. The author is assuming that because the apes haven't asked these questions in human language that they are incapable of phil. thought; but what if the apes are perfectly capable of asking phil. questions in human language but just haven't done so. So to add on to the first assumption the author is concluding that in order to prove that a creature can think philosophically, the creature has to have demonstrated that it can think philosophically by expressing philosophical thoughts through human language. The ape hasn't expressed philosophical thoughts through human language and therefore must be incapable of philosophical thought.

I chose B because I was focusing on this gap of the argument; just because the ape hasn't physically expressed a philosophical question in human language doesn't mean that they can't think philosophically. Maybe they can think about these philosophical things without speaking (which means they are capable of philosophical thought). So I chose B because I felt it closed up the gap. If apes are incapable of thinking in human language, that can explain why they haven't asked any phil questions in human language.

But I'm noticing something as I type. Just because apes are incapable of thinking in human language doesn't mean that they are necessarily incapable of philosophical thought. It could be the case that they think philosophically in their own ape language. So the assumption I'm realizing now that the test is looking for is something along the lines that to be capable of philosophical thoughts, creatures must be able to express phil. thoughts using human language.

An ape can't express phil. thoughts using human language and therefore can't think phil.

A bear can't express phil. thoughts using human langauge and therefore can't think phil.

This matches up best with answer C.

Why I didn't choose C was because it discusses the way in which philosophical thought can be expressed and I reckoned that we're more concerned with if creatures can think a certain way not if they can express that they think a certain way. In other words, if the answer choice said THE ONLY creatures capable of philosophical thought can express phil. thought in human language, I would have chosen this.

Can someone explain why answer choice C is correct even though it just talks about how phil. thought can be expressed??

Thanks so much in advance

Still available! Any takers??

Or is this just a temporary thing that later changes to an actual amount? 3 chicago schools show as $0 (no, not UC or NW)

Thoughts of the day:

Had a phone call last night with a close college friend who is very business minded. We discussed my current standing with LSAT prep. I confidently believe I'm on pace to get into some pretty awesome schools (top 30). My favorites are constantly changing, but these days my eye is on Arizona State University. They have a sport law concentration (I majored in sport management at UMass for undergrad), and their law school is in downtown Phoenix (30min from main campus in Tempe). Everything about their program sounds phenomenal, and right up my alley. With 18 pro teams in Cali and 4 in AZ, I feel like my networking potential is evident.

My "fear the fork" fantasies have been limitless, until the phone call. In summation, my friend made me aware that if I go to law school on the west coast, I will likely struggle to find a job on the east coast where I'm from. (I live in NY now, would ideally love to move to Boston after school, but I would really like to go south for school.)

My questions boil down like this. Does it make sense to go far away to school (AZ, Cali, TX, Georgia, Florida), if I would like to live in Boston? Or should I stop being a snow-pansy and establish myself at BU/BC/Northeastern?

Bottom Line: How easy is it to find a job on the opposite coast of the school you attend???

I know this was wordy, sorry, I'm in borderline panic mode after last night's deflating conversation.

JY is organizing a social gathering in NYC next Tuesday, September 22nd. I hope to see a lot of you there.

The Overlook Bar on E 44th b/t 2nd and 3rd

Tues. Sept. 22, 8pm-11pm

#7sagersunite

@jyang72

Admin edit: Made sure you're RSVPing here:

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/7sage-meet-greet-in-nyc-tickets-18655408830

New to 7Sage discussions, but I love how everyone seems very helpful and genuine. I am currently studying for the Dec test, and wanted some opinions on what is going to be more beneficial in these last 2 months and a half.

I currently am PT'ing around 168-169 average, BR around 173-175. My goal for the exam is in the 170-172 range. I would probably not retake if I hit 170. But I also know people's average scores tend to drop 2-3 points, so I want to be at about a 174~ average by the end of my PTs.

I am wrapping up a Testmasters course and have gone through most of the LSAT starter kit to supplement areas where I felt TM lacked (a lot lol). As of now, my main focus is drilling problem areas and PT'ing. I currently have PT 29-38, and like 25 more modern PTs (52+range). I also have the Cambridge packets for all LG PT 1-38, and for Weaken, Flaw, and NA since those are my weak areas. I want to look into some sort of prep for RC, because I do tend to miss avg 5 for this section, but not sure which packet or prep method is best for this.

Now that I am more wise in terms of LSAT prep, I realize that doing PT's 38 and below can be good practice for timing and comfortability but because I am drilling with those older problems my scores are always inflated for the older tests. like 179-180 range haha, which is inconsistent with my scores for newer exams that I have taken through TM. So would it be worth it to buy a few more PT's to avoid having to PT with the older exams?

Is my time better spent drilling or taking more PTs? I currently have like 30 PTs scheduled between now and the Dec test date.

As far as my time available to devote to LSAT, I currently work about 25-30 hours a week and that will increase to 35+ around mid-October.

Opinions and thoughts, thanks!

Hey guys,

So I've been following the RC memory method that JY talks about, and it's definitely helped me; however, I'm nowhere near where I want to be in my PT's when I grade my RC section. What are some of the alternative methods and ways that I can improve my RC score. Right now, I'm averaging -16 on my RC section *sighhh*. PLEASE HELP!!!!!

The newest version of Apple's iPhone/iPad/iPod operating system, iOS 9, was just released earlier today. Upgrading to this new version may cause parts of the 7Sage app to stop working for some devices.

I've been running the app on my iPhone with iOS 9 (I got an early release) for about a week without seeing any problems on the app. But I've heard that there are problems with other people's devices, and I confirmed that the Grader and Course options stopped working on my iPad mini after upgrading.

Sorry if this iOS 9 problem affects your device! We already made a fix, and submitted it to Apple for approval just a minute ago. Hopefully they'll approve the update quickly, but they usually take a week, sometimes much longer.

Planned test date: December 5th. Shooting for 170. Will be happy with 165.

I've been studying about 3 weeks now, and I'm only barely starting to see how the LSAT ticks. I've taken 4 PTs- J07,14,40,71 and scored 153,152,154,153.

My weakest area is Logic Games. I just need to grind them, I think. I'm slow as dirt and don't have the different setups for the game boards memorized (internalized?).

My strongest area is RC- in the 80% range, but I'm not really sure how to improve that except maybe by taking a lot of PTs and going over the missed questions.

LR seems to baffle me. I feel I do good on the questions, and then I see I am only getting around 60%. I have Nathan Fox's LR book. My main problem areas are Nec. Assumption, Flaw, and Most strongly supported. I'm not a complete dunce when it comes to logic (my minor is in Philosophy, so I have a bit of a background in syllogistic logic).

I have not BRd any of the tests. I will start doing so, and using the 7sage foolproof method for the logic games (god, thats going to be painful).

However, as far as LR and RC are concerned, what really makes a difference? Doing PTs or studying a method? Neither of them seem to lend themselves to a method like the LG section does.

Any advice or suggestions as to where I'm off base is appreciated.

Jim

so i found a pack at work and after hearing so much about them I've decided to try them out; however the heat (NYC heat, ~85-95F) is making the black paint rubbery and peeling off, now I have black/gold paint stuck to the table and my backpack. this is pretty disappointing and i will definitely not use them on the test, just wondering if anyone else had similar experience?

Has anyone received communication from "180 Watch" in the past two weeks?

I ordered a watch in May to take the June 2015 test, and as luck would have it, I'm taking the October 2015 test :)

Despite taking extra care of it (I kept it in the bubble wrap inside the package it came in at all times except when I took a PT), it malfunctioned in July. After contacting Matthew Thomas, I sent it back to him, and he said he would send the replacement quickly. He received it on August 24th at the latest. It is now September 15th, almost a month later. I've tried contacting him in the past few days, but have not received a response. I don't know if they are ignoring me because they ran out of watches (since the test is coming up soon). Either way, it is not okay. At least send me my malfunctioned watch back so I can get it fixed elsewhere!

Is anyone experiencing the same? Also, does anyone have a number for them?

I'd implore you guys to be extra careful with your 180 watches (although I can't imagine being more careful than I was). If it breaks, you're probably out of luck!!

or is this just fantasy?