I've looked at about 3 different courses with explanations for this question and none of them really make an sense to me... I still see answer choice (B) as an attractive answer choice... Can someone please explain why all the answers are incorrect and perhaps a better way to approach PSA questions for next time? GREATLY APPRECIATED!

Hey 7Sagers, had someone email me with a question and I thought you guys could help out! Here it is:

I have a question or comment regarding LSAT 46, game 3, section 4, question 12. The game ask for the order.

In accordance to the rules P=3 and L and N are before J. The rules don't state that L or N is immediately next to J. Thereby the explained set up is:

L N P J O or L/O N P L/O J. As with the rules, I agree and can understand this except for N = 2. With L = 4, that places L immediately next to J for LJ.

That is my problem. If LJ then why not LN. For set up with J=5; L = 1, 2, 4; N =1,2, 4, and O = 1,2,4,5

For order choices question 12

L N P J O O N P L J N L P J O

O N P L J N O P L J L O P N J and so forth.

The answer choice

L N P O J - Answer A deemed correct answer choice.

L O P N J - Answer B deemed incorrect answer choice. However, both L and N are before J with P =3

N L P J O - Answer D deemed incorrect answer choice. However, both L and N are before J with P = 3

Please explain. Hail and rain is not a factor to answer this question. In addition, the rules and the scenario do not include N = 2.

Thank you.

Hey all, Al here.

Throughout my long (and I mean LONG) journey with the LSAT, I've come across this specific issue more times than I can count! I'd like to give my own personal thoughts on this topic.

Fellow LSAT students (non-7sage included) have reached out to me time and time again about this recurring topic: advice. I think it's safe to say that many (if not most) people think advice is inherently good. It is after all rooted in the premise that advice helps to inform and guides those that are lacking in certain information that can help others in the long run. And in many respects, the right advice can provide an enormous positive impact on the person receiving it.

But what's rarely talked about are the devastating effects of bad advice. Bad advice can lead us to do things that we normally wouldn't consider and the negating effect can be as substantial as any good advice. Not only does it deviate a person from one's initial trajectory, but it can undo a lot of the progress they have made on their own.

But what really is the distinction between good and bad advice? Here's what I think are the major distinctions:

1. Advice is inherently subjective. What may be great advice for one person maybe horrible advice for another.

2. Good advice has specificity, whereas bad advice is openly vague. The LSAT is a great example of this. So many of the nuances embedded within concepts can be very hard to absorb and the advice provided has to not only be logically congruent within the parameters of the LSAT...it also has to make absolute sense to the person receiving it. I've seen many people (including myself many times) THINK they have an understanding of a certain tidbit of advice but really have no understanding at the core of it.

3. Good advice more often than not takes time, whereas bad advice is usually impulsive. I've noticed this for myself when I've been asked for advice. When I have the time to really think about a problem, I more often than not have something worth telling the person asking for advice.

I have been the benefactor of both great and bad advice. All three of these tenets that I've mentioned applied to me. Yes, it does suck when we get bad advice. But the onus cannot be entirely on the person providing the advice...the onus is on the one receiving it. At the end of the day, it's all about personal responsibility and knowing what truly works and what doesn't work for you.

Just food for thought.

What are some of the best ways to improve LR section?

Someone last time recommended "The Great Dissent" by Thomas Healy and I absolutely loved the book.

Figured it would be good to start another thread of book/article recommendations that can help improve reading skills + make you more familiar with LSAT subject matter.I struggle with Humanities passages so if anyone has any recommendations...

I mentioned last time that Bill Bryson's " A Short History of Nearly Everything" is a great read: will help you become familiar with a lot of the topics that are tested on the science passages and is also interesting.

Just to clarify when you LSAT PT rockstars do your clean copy BR, are you just BRing the ones your circled during your PT or are you going back through every question untimed? Thanks in advance.

I know there was a discussion thread going on about the 180 watch or just a test watch in general... But, I wanted to get a confirmation. Is it okay to bring multiple watches?

I was going to order the 180 watch.... but, I guess they ran out of inventory or something because the watch is on back order.. So, I am wondering whether anyone has brought 3+ watches, set them all for 35 minutes, and used them for each different section?

I would really appreciate all the answers! Thank you!

I just took my first PT in months to prepare for the December LSAT. I finished the course a couple days ago and I scored a 151, and after BR 162. I did miss a significant amount of questions in each section averaging about 7 in each. I'm not sure where to go from here... Should I keep PTing until the exam or....? PLEASE HELP!

Admin note: Please don't post thread titles in all caps!

Hey all,

Just wondering how I can increase focus/concentration? I keep on thinking about other things while doing PT questions. I take longer than I should/could on questions.

I starting meditation right now every morning.

Is there anything else anyone recommends?

Can someone please explain the correct answer?

Hi all! I have exhausted all test materials from 30 -75. I am redoing tests 50+ and plan for the December retake. Although I am doing these tests again, I am plateauing around 170. I wouldn't say that I remembered all the questions and answers but I think with this kind of performance I would not be able to score 170 in the real thing. Any thoughts on how to improve? Thanks!

I have a question on how the video comes to the contrapositive of the answer choice.

"there are many records of major meteor impacts that do not seem to have been followed by mass extinction"

in the stimulus

becomes

""...then all major meteor impacts would be followed by mass extinction"

I understand we need

P ---> -CCL

or

CCL---->-p

And that this is to be P3. But how is all the contrapositive of many? Many could potentially be All. Shouldn't the right answer here be not many aka none, no, etc?

Hey everyone! I was wondering if anyone would be interested in a write up of my experience/thoughts on studying for/taking the lsat. I got a 180 on the October test (still can't believe that happened and I keep thinking it's a mistake) and so much of the credit goes to the inspiration and helping words I found on this forum that I want to find a way to give back a bit, since I mostly lurked while studying. I wanted to gauge the interest before I spent a couple hours writing the thing, would people be interested in that? What would you want to know, if you are interested?

Edit: Here it is! http://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/5889/journey-to-the-center-of-a-180

Hi everyone, do you know if there are any real time RC videos where J.Y. Ping reads the passages and answers the questions in real time? The videos I've watched so far are really great but I would love to see and hear him processing the passage and working through the questions in real time. I'm thinking it might help me to see how I could process everything more quickly and accurately.

Hey there,

Does anyone have any information regarding Canadian law schools and their tendency to consider the February LSAT?

I'm all of a sudden feeling super unprepared for December, and haven't been able to kick that feeling this past weekend. However, waiting until applying for the 2017 admissions cycle is not an option for me. I need to be certain that if I wait for Feb to write (knowing very well that I have a better chance of obtaining a higher score), that I have a chance of still getting in for 2016.

If you have any info and/or experience with this, it is very much appreciated! Thanks!

So I took the October 2015 LSAT and scored a 155. I've been within this range for the last 4 months now so I wasn't surprised when I got my score back. The problem is, I don't know how to break out of this plateau. I've gone through the Logic Games Bible once already (might go through it a second time) and am currently working on perfecting my timing. I'm still having significant issues on Logical Reasoning and Reading Comprehension however, missing up to -8 on each LR section and between -7 and -9 on RC. I've also read through the LR Bible after taking a BluePrint prep class, but it felt more like review than anything else.

I've heard that the Manhattan LR and the LSAT Trainer books are good, but my fear is that it'll just be more review without targeting my exact problems. Since my BR scores are between 168 and172, I've been told it's a timing issue. My tutor also said that I fall for trap answers too often. How can I learn what these trap answers are? What should I do in preparation for my retake?

I'm already registered for February with the intention of applying in Fall 2016.

I still have Prep Test A,B, and C, 50, 51, 57, 58, 59, 60 - 75.

Thanks.

So I'm a little worried regarding the background check. Serious question: just how thorough is it? See when I was on spring break a few years ago in Italy I was arrested for public intoxication and spent the night in jail (traumatizing) nothing ever happened beyond that, I was released and just told to take it easy next time I visit the country....can I get away with not mentioning this since it was in another country and there's no record of it in the US, or would I need to report it.

Hello everyone,

I have always just read discussion postings and never thought about actually asking a question about my own problem.. Think I really need some sage advice at this point, since I am planning to take the December test, which is my last shot...

So, a little bit of where I stand in my test prep.

I finished both the Trainer and 7sage curriculum and have been taking PTs for a month. For a personal reason, I am just preparing for the LSAT full time. So, I take a PT everyday usually in the morning and do BR in the afternoon. I have been consistently taking a test a day at least 4 days a week for a month.

I used PTs from earlier periods like PT 10 - 28 when I first started out and built my habits based on those. I also added in some PTs from 44-50 and have recently took PTs 57 and 58.

The problem is... I have been scoring (under timed condition) around 173. My highest score has been 177, which I got three times. But, for the PTs 57 and 58. OH MY GOD. I just did not have enough time to finish some LR and RC questions. Even the games were so hard for the PT 57 especially!

I got 160 on PT 57 and 168 on PT 58. This is really a huge problem, since I am developing a downward pattern and I don't know what to do....

I think my average miss on LR is -4 or -5. For RC, I used to get only -1 or max -2, but for the PTs in 50 range... it has been -3 or -4, so it is also very depressing :( I am betting everything on the December LSAT and have to submit my application this cycle. I just don't know what I should do make necessary change....

I print out a clean copy of the test for BRs. My BR scores range around 175-178, so it is not like I do not have fundamental understanding. For some reason, I can't get some of the easy questions earlier in the LR section fast enough. Timing has become a huge issue, and I would love to get some feedback on my test prep.

If there is anyone out there who is having a similar problem as I do with dropping PT scores.... could you please share how you overcame that depressing phase and actually made it to high 170s? I would really really really appreciate any kind of advice.

Trying to make this as short as possible:

In July I probably did about 40~ish hours of LSAT work in total.

In August, I did easily over 100+ hours.

In September, I easily did over 110+ hours again.

October, I was doing 30+ hours a week for the first two weeks or so. Usually, that's no problem for me. (5/6 hours a day Mon-Sat) Then I did two weeks of 4 days, about 6-7 hours each day because I needed three days rest. (I was only breaking on Sundays, prior.) I ended up still feeling hella burnt out with 3 days rest I think, and so I breaked from Last Friday to this current Wednesday (about 5 days, longest break I ever took)

I did a PT today and by the time I was on my third section, I felt disconnected from the test, mentally exhausted, etc. Is my studying too excessive and should I take a break (and if so, how long?) I'm tryna do whats best for the long haul. Usually I wake up and have no problem heading to the library and studying all day, now I DREAD IT!!

Hi Everyone,

Brand new here but needed advice from this community.

I suffer from a chronic illness due to which I have been granted 50% extra time in each section of the Feb 2016 LSAT. So I will get 53 minutes per section rather than the usual 35 minutes.

I recently got really sick which forced me to drop everything and just focus on getting better. Now that I am a little better, I am just beginning to start studying for the LSAT. I know 3 months isn't that much time to prepare for the exam, however, I was wondering what the best way to prepare would be in these 3 months. Should I just dive into the PTs and do as many as I can or should I purchase and go through the 7Sage material and then do a few PTs at the end? I also work so it will be difficult to devote all of my time to studying.

Any advice would be great. Thanks for reading.

Do you think it is possible to see five points increase in 30 days we have left for December LSAT?

What is the best way to acquire the paper versions of the question sets provided in each section?

Hello,

I don't understand why, in the setup, the last row has to be occupied by only supervisors. It's 4 free spots and I only have 3 supervisors left, then why must I chose the last two spots in the last row opposed to another spot where they are dispersed wherever. Can someone please help me understand why those last 2 spots are reserved for supervisors, could F, for example, be repeated and thus placed in both a supervisory and officer spot?

Also, in number 2, why does K have to be the one that repeats rather than M, for example?

I'm curious to know why do certain test takers miss certain questions but get that same question type right on another question? Of course there are level of difficulties of all question types but how does LSAC know which questions students will get wrong vs what they will get right? How does LSAC know that students scores will be the same regardless to which test they take, even though the questions are different?

Would "purely", "merely", and "solely" function the same way "only" functions in the conditional logic or reasoning with "only" being necessary condition indicator?