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Hi All,

I've been pretty good with setting up and reading conditional chains for in-and-out games but for some reason I'm really confused with the conditional chain for PT 34 S4 G4 (if you recall, it's about splitting six doctors to either the Souderton or Randsborough clinic).

Here is the simplified version of the conditional chain for this game:

~N --> ~O --> J --> ~K --> P

When I look at this, the minimum number of doctors that needs to be in the in group (Souderton) is two since we have two separate OR pairs (~O --> J and ~K --> P) as was asked in question 21 (and the correct answer was "two").

So this is where I get really confused. If this is the logic we are using to interpret a minimum number of doctors, why can't the correct answer for question 19 (which asks for a complete and accurate list of doctors at Souderton) be E (N and P)? Why can't the ~N --> J pair be treated the same as ~O --> J? If we only have N and P, aren't we still good since we have at least one of N and J and one of K and P?

I guess I am really confused as to how to correctly account for the OR pairs when there so many overlap between them in a particular chain like you see above? Thanks for your help in advance!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-34-section-4-game-4/

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Drilling LR questions by question type came up during the last BR group call. I thought I'd share something that I've been using with everyone, a master list of LR questions grouped by question type (aside from the awesome 7Sage question bank).

This list starts at PT#7 and goes to #59 and has been incredibly helpful to me in drilling down my LR problem areas. This list distinguishes between the types of arguments and flaws within each question type (i.e. ad hominem flaws, appeals to authority flaws, correlation/causation etc). I usually search 'correlation' or 'necessity/sufficiency' to address my specific flaw issues within certain question types.

Here's the TLS forum link:

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=108425 I hope this list can help you too!

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If you have used the Powerscore LR Bible, this question is for you!

I have previously used the LSAT Trainer and have just begun the Core Curriculum (Starter Kit). My LR can improve to say the least. That being said, is there information to gain from the Powerscore LR Bible that I cannot gain from 7Sage Core Curriculum and/or LSAT trainer?

Any additional advice towards improving LR would also be much appreciated! :)

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Hi!

So I've been practicing LG and I've run into a timing problem on one of them. I can easily get all the answers right in 8 min, but it is considered an 'easy' game. I think what the problem is, is that there aren't really any inferences from the rules you can make, so the questions are all 'If this....then what?' questions. This obviously requires a new board, but I'm even finding in order to eliminate all but 1 answer choice I need to draw 2 boards (ie a block of TWE that goes into 567 and then TWE going into 456 because those are the 2 places those blocks can go). Has anyone found a way to do this more quickly? Or should I just expect to spend more time on these types of games?

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I've had a tough time doing this.

An analysis of the XO Candy Corporation divided its products into two categories: chocolate-based candies and non-chocolate-based candies. The analysis shows that, unlike the non-chocolate candies, few chocolate candies sold enough units to be profitable. Nevertheless, stopping production of the unprofitable chocolate candies will not necessarily make the entire company more profitable, because__________________ .

Which of the following most logically completes the passage?

A. a large proportion of XO’s customers are those who initially bought XO’s chocolate candies and eventually went on to buy other candies made by XO.

B. XO has recently removed its two lowest-selling chocolate candies from their product line and replaced them with different types of chocolate candies.

C. the recipes of the chocolate candies date from the 19th century, while the non-chocolate candies were all developed more recently.

D.the chocolate candies are distributed differently than the non-chocolate candies, as chocolates are more popular on the coasts.

E.fewer people eat candy at all than they did a decade ago because of growing concern about obesity.

My logic is here. I really appreciate if someone can help me find any flaws in my understanding.

Gist of the stimulus: Chocolate candies aren't as profitable as the non chocolate ones because the chocolate candies sold fewer in number. Author believes that, due to some reason,shutting down chocolate candies operations wouldn't increase the profits.

Assumption: there is some good reason to retain the chocolate division(not sure whether it should be monetary or not)

A:This is the credited answer.

Thought that the reputation of the chocolate division is unnecessary here. Moreover, this choice is in past tense(who bought). I still see there is some bearing to stimulus but not a strong one to attract futurr customers.

B:May be the new ones opened still need some time to show if profitable or not. As per stimulus, Shutting down a few, including the new ones, will not increase the profits. I chose this and can't make out a good reason to eliminate.

C: development vs chocolate operations retention ->irrelevant

D : popular vs profitable. Not sure if this has some bearing on retention.

E: irrelevant since it doesn't focus why chocolate operations need to be retained.

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Hi,

So the one area I desperately need to improve is RC. I've been getting around 10 wrong on the RC. Which book is a better book to refer to Powerscore's RC bible or Kaplan's RC. If there is any other resource worth referring to, please let me know.

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This is a weakening question, I wouldn't call it a curve breaker question but it definitely gave me some trouble.

I know why (B) the credited response is correct, however I am having a tough time articulating why ( C ) is incorrect. This was attractive to me because I initially thought that non-rodent sample that the researcher used was not representative thus weakening the reasoning in the argument.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-48-section-4-question-26/

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Which of the following most logically completes the passage?

Electronic communications such as email, text messages, chats, and posts on the "walls" of social media sites are considered by psychologists to be "impersonal" forms of communication, meaning that the sender of the communication is distant from the receiver of the communication. This separation often results in misinterpretation by the recipient. Since such communications are also primarily one-way interactions, there is no chance for the sender of the communication to realize and correct the misinterpretation. Electronic communications should therefore be ____________.

Used only when face-to-face communications are not possible.

Written in straightforward language that is not liable to various different interpretations.

Used in situations where personal communications might be embarrassing.

Forbidden in professional occupations, such as medicine and law.

Used as frequently as possible, due to the convenience of avoiding lengthy conversations.

I fell for the trap, choosing A. Any thoughts how to eliminate A.

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https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-25-section-3-game-2/

Preptest 25 - Section 3 - Game 2

I don't get question 10 and 12!

Can someone help out for question 10? I don’t see why it’s not answer “C,” which allows four tourists to speak Turkish.

@dannyy121 Mentioned:

“For Q10, is it also possible that H,I,K all speak Turkish? My board looks like:

V: M

X: N

Y: H & I & K

Z: L

Each tourist can speak only one of the languages that the guide can speak. so in case where N and L speak Spanish, N can also go to X, since X speaks Spanish and Turkish?”

Because of this confusion, I chose answer "C," but the right answer is supposed to be "B."

Given the rules, I feel that this is an acceptable situation. What am I missing?

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For Q12, I don’t see why exactly 3 tourists don’t speak Spanish (answer “C”). My board looks like:

V: K

X: M & N

Y: H & I

Z: L

“M, N & L” all speak Spanish, which would make “C” a choosable answer. Can someone help me out here?

I don’t see where I went wrong. In my eyes answer “C” and “E” are right, and I chose answer “C,” but the right answer is supposed to be "E."

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Hi I was wondering if there was a list that shows for each game how long you should spend on it? JY tells you at times during the core curriculum the max amount of time for a 160/170 score and I was hoping there was a list for all the games so I can gain a solid foundation for when I get to a game during the actual test around how long I should spend on it.

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I understand why the correct answer is right, but I'm not so sure about the incorrect answers. If someone can check my reasoning and see if I am correct, I would be so appreciative and grateful!

A) This answer choice discusses luck which was never talked about in the exchange. I also think it is wrong because of the word "rarely" while we know that some farms have positive successful rates which the critic argues against, we don't know the rate of the farms success.

B) The critics do not show that the results would be different if twice the amount of farms were studied; they only say the farms studied were the ones that were amenable to natural methods, the results would be the same because of the farms selected under study

C) This is true except for the fact that the critics show justification for their reasoning (farms that were selected for study)

D) They don't demonstrate that natural methods are not suitable for the majority of farms; they only point out that if a self selecting group is used for a study, then it is not representative of all farms using natural methods

E) captures the flaw, the study is saying natural methods success rates is possible, not that it is representative for all farms

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Hello,

I have a question about these two choices

1. the argument takes for granted that the higher sales of established products are due to effective advertising

2. the argument confuses a condition necessary for increasing product sales with a condition that will ensure increased sales

So I thought in the stimulusu says

lower sale(This season's sales...)→ill conceived（Thus...）

Then 1. says effective ad→higher sale

So this looks like contrapositive of what the stimulus says

（ill conveived=effective ad）

In 2. I thought it says higer sale→effective ad is actually the correct one, and because the stimulus says lower sale→ill conceived, it confuses the sufficient and necessary.

Why I cannot think this way?

Thanks

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-73-section-2-question-15/

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This might be something really basic to be discussing at this time for someone looking to sit for the LSATs in December, but I gotta ask

How would you guys diagram this conditional sentence: "Unless they find an eye-witness and put the defendant on the stand, they will lose the case."

Please explain. Thanks.

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Wednesday, Sep 28, 2016

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Flaw Questions

Does anybody know of LR questions that are grouped together by the type of flaw? A group of questions that all contain correlation/causation flaws, circular reasoning, etc. for drilling and BR. I'm trying to get more familiar with the way the flaws are worded in AC. On the harder flaw questions I don't always recognize the flaw or I'm not interpreting the answer choices to be that flaw. The latter is more often. When I prephrase I have the correct flaw but sometimes the answer choices are just worded crazy and I have no clue what they're saying. Also, I noticed someone on a forum indicating the flaw for the wrong answer choices. Anyone do this during the timed PT, or do you do it just during BR? When eliminating AC my thought process is normally, "no, the author doesn't do this," and I just move on rather than indicating what flaw that AC is describing.

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I'm still drying my tears after writing last weekend wahhhh. My question moving forward is regarding non prep test logic games and if anyone knows of any good resources? I have done every single prep test logic game section repeatedly and consistently score -1 to -0 with plenty of extra time, however the computer virus game as well as game 4 from the experimental section really messed me up. I think it would be helpful to practice on new "fake" games in order to prevent such a terrible shock to my system next time (even though now all I do is think about all the ways I could have attacked those stupid games).

Thanks!

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Hey all,

So yea I'm in this predicament. I've spent a few days in torturous introspection to no avail so lets see what you folks think. I took the test under awful physical conditions to say the least; coughing, sneezing, migraine, light headedness just to name a few of my symptoms (that I'm still dealing with). Had to get up a few times mid section to go spit and blow my nose.....I digress.

I ran out of time on every section (around 5-7 missed in each I'd say) and only got through 2 and a half LG. Oddly enough, I felt pretty confident on almost every question I did answer. Including LG. Mid 160s was my goal but I am all but certain I fell short. Before falling ill, I conceded that I'd retake in December if I came out unconfident. Now I'm faced with the decision of whether or not to cancel. Thoughts?

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Hello All,

I am one those people that when in a group chat, I just let everyone talk and occasionally respond with a "yes" or "no." Similarly, I have been doing that here. I've been keeping up with several discussions and the responses, but never post.

However, I think it's time to ask for help. Let me tell you about my dilemma--- started studying for the September 2016 LSAT back in June using the LSAT Trainer and several PT's. While I was able to jump a couple of points from my original score, I am NOT where I should/can be. My last PT was 148 (9/5), and that's when I decided to postpone my exam until December. Since 9/5, I have been drilling LR and most recently on LGs. I purchased the Powerscore LG bible and that's where I saw my LG score increase. It didn't increase tremendously, but something is something. Just got the Powerscore LR bible and will start on that once I feel comfortable with LGs.

I mentioned that I used the LSAT trainer at first, and I will have to say that it did not work for me.

I work a full time job (9-6) Mon-Fri, so I study everyday during the week ~3hours. On the weekends, I spend 4-5 hours studying--drilling LR and LG. Something did not go well the first time around in my studying routine so, I need to make a change and do it FAST. I would greatly appreciate it if someone shed some light on my situation that help me increase my score.

Thank you so much in advance!!

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