When negating answer choices for necessary assumption, what part of the statement is negated? In other words how are double negatives done?

A helpful example would be if someone could negate this please..?

Ex: Last year, at least some people responding to calls in the editorialist’s country wish to be perceived as unwilling to watch television news programs.

It seems that no matter what I do I can’t get even close to -0 timed. Either I rush to finish all 4 games and get 8 wrong for rushing or I don’t get to the last game at all and end up with a -5 or -6. I really need to get this down to below -3 if I’m to get the score I’m aiming for in October. If anyone has any pointers I’d be very grateful.

For context, I usually do at least 1 full LG section per day (4 games) but I’ll often do more (6-8 games). Then I’ll BR when I finish and then I’ll watch video explanations for the ones I was too slow on or didn’t understand. Still, I consistently score around -8 on any given timed section. Again, due to either rushing or not finishing. Please help me!!

For Logic Games should you usually split the gameboard or not?

I am having some major difficulty with LR. I started studying seriously in late July/August with a diagnostic of 158. RC I am pretty good with averaging a -2. LG and LR were my problems with basically -10 in both. I grinded LG for a month and got that down to consistently -0. I got my LR in the range of -4 and -8, but I'm just having consistent LR problems. I took the September exam, got a 168 and I am taking the November test. In the next month I am going to be focusing almost entirely on LR, and I am looking for any tips on improvement there since I have been very inconsistent and almost stagnant. I am hoping I can improve in LR at the same rate as LG. Is it unrealistic for me to break into the 175+ range for November?

Hi everyone!

Can you guys please share your experience with logic games and how long it took you to see improvements and what sources helped you get a better understanding of the section? I’m on day 3 of doing logic games, and I know 3 days is nothing but I’m seeing no improvements AT ALLLL. I’m bombing all the drills in the core curriculum, and feeling very defeated.

Thank you!

Hi all,

Today is the final day to register for the November 2022 test. I am currently registered for the October test but am planning to move my test to November. I have been in a score plateau recently and am confident I can elevate my score the few extra points it needs if I have another month to study. However, I am trying to decide whether it would be to my benefit to keep my October test scheduled and also register for the November test rather than only taking the November test. At this point, the financial cost would be the same to move my October test or to register for a new test entirely. So the question is--do I take the test in a couple weeks, despite knowing that I'm not quite where I want to be and will take it again the following month? Or would it be better to wait until November and take it once, hopefully with more confidence and better grasp of those few question types I'm still struggling with?

Would appreciate your thoughts. Thanks!

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I’ve noticed that in the more recent PTs (80+) the following question types show up more than others: flaw, weaken, NA, RRE, PSA, strengthen. Almost all of my incorrect answers have been one of these types. I’m trying to find a new way of looking at these questions and approaching them in the most efficient ways. The strategies in the CC only help to a certain point, does anyone have a good way of answering these question types? I am especially weak on weakening and RRE questions. I’m taking the October test so I am looking to hone these strategies in ASAP. Any advice would be helpful!!!

Why is C wrong? Wouldn't the uncertainty of who is handling the networks still be an issue if the government funded?

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I just got back my score and was soo relieved that I got in the 160 range. Literarily just a couple months ago, I had no hope that I could score into this range until I got 7sage. Thank you guys sooo much for everything! I am still going to take the October LSAT because I know that I can get up to the 163-165 range but I am super pleased with my score especially considering how nervous I was on test day. I hope everyone got a good score!!

Hello, I am recently trying to take notes by using the memory method. I feel helpful on some sides but experiencing lots of trouble simultaneously.

First of all, I run out of time whenever I try to take some notes by using this method (I need extra 5 minutes at least). This happens because I take a long time to read (4 minutes per passage on average), and I also overthink what to note. I still do not have consistent rules on my note-taking - sometimes I put only names and years, sometimes only names and key terms..etc. Since I cannot be sure what to note, I should take the time to clarify it. Then this time consumption makes me rush even more in the end.

Therefore, I want to ask if there are any tips on note taking or using the memory method in RC. If you are not using the memory method, can you suggest any alternate way of approaching RC? Any tips will be welcomed!

I am preparing for the October test (been studying for a year and a half) and I took PT 92 this past weekend, scored 169 (170 if the experimental LG had been the real one). RC is harder than previous PTs (I missed -5) but something even stranger is the LR section. I can't put my finger on it but the recent LR sections are more difficult and a bit scary during timed sessions even during the first 10-15 questions which in previous tests were lighter and practice for the difficult questions later in the section.

How should I prepare for October? Has anyone noticed the difference and what exactly is different? For me, it feels like the language is the issue in that not only is it more abstract but also unnecessarily convoluted, whereas previous PTs were worded fairly legibly and focused more on the formal logic behind the questions.

I am aiming for 173+ and I just need some help in figuring out my LR strategy. I think if I can conquer this new LR format and control RC a bit (even go to -3 from -5) my score would improve tremendously.

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Really confused as to why the definition is helpful to the argument. Could someone parse this out for me please?

Hi everyone! I have a question regarding necessary assumption questions. I am trying to get a better understanding of NA questions, since this is the area I am struggling with. I seem to be going for answers that seem relevant and may strengthen the argument, but are not needed/required.

For example, let's use this example from lsat trainer,

Argument: "Because we locked the door, no one can break into our house."

A possible correct answer choice may look like: "One cannot break into the house going through the chimney."

Wrong answer: "The door is the only way in and out of the house, and the locked door is impenetrable."

Here is a second example:

Argument: "My husband says I consume too much caffeine, but that is false. I only drink one cup of coffee a day, and one cup of coffee is not too much caffeine for a person to consume daily."

A possible correct answer choice: "She does not get an excess of caffeine from drinking tea."

Wrong answer choice: "Coffee is the only substance she consumes that contains caffeine."

The problem that I am having with these two examples from lsat trainer is that I am not seeing how the wrong answer is wrong. I understand for NA questions we are looking for an answer choice that is needed in order for the argument to be true. I did the negation test for the wrong answer choices and they still seem correct. For example in the second argument, the wrong answer choice is "coffee is the only substance she consumes that contains coffee" and in my mind when I did the negation test it was "it is not the case that coffee is the only substance she consumes that contains caffeine" or "coffee is not the only substance she consumes that contains caffeine." If that is true, couldn't this be an answer that is required for the argument?? If coffee is not the only substance she consumes that contains caffeine couldn't this wreck the argument??

Any help is appreciated! Thanks everyone!

I keep getting the same amount of questions wrong (roughly 4) on logical reasoning, even when untimed. I blind review and feel very confident in my (wrong) answers too. I think this means that I'm just thinking about the stimulus or approaching them incorrectly. What am I doing wrong, and how can I get past this plateau?

Could someone please help explain how they got to answer choice D?

Hi everyone! I've recently been getting a lot better with LG but when I blind review I start to doubt myself and change the answers. So when I do the game the first time I get a 5/7 or 6/6 but when I do blind review it I switch to wrong answers bringing me down a point or two. Could anyone help me out?

I am finishing up the logical reasoning curriculum and plan to practice test just the logical reasoning section for now, until I get through the rest of the Curriculum. How many should I be getting wrong if I want to aim for a 160? I know it also depends on what I get on the other sections, but just a general idea would be nice.

Would it be a good idea to attack questions 15 and up first in a section, then go back to 1-14 after? Burnout is real for me as I work through the section so this method might help. Thoughts?

I had a look at this to see at what point harder questions might start showing up

https://www.powerscore.com/lsat/help/lr_individual-question-difficulty

Hello everyone. I’m looking for some advice as I’m honestly panicking now. I took PT83 today and I had heard that PTs in the 80s were much more difficult. The LG section wasn’t bad but I ran out of time and got -8. The RC was ok and I also got -8 which is around my average. Now LR… I had been averaging -8/9 and got destroyed with a -15. Even worse, 7Sage classified this LR section as a 2 star difficulty section as a whole. I’m signed up for the October and LSAT and feel completely lost now. I thought I was finally improving LR but after hearing how the current LSATs are much like the PTs in the 80s I’m really worried. -15 in LR is abysmal especially in what 7sage considers to be a 2 star (easier) section. On BR, I got an extra 6 questions correct bringing my BR score to -9 (which is still bad) but definitely not -15. Where do I go from here? I feel like all hope is lost considering the October LSAT is right there.

Hey 7sagers,

Ive been experiencing the so-called (i named it haha) "first question panic" in my LR sections.

I happen to be very anxious and spending too much time on the first question, which is supposed to be among the easiest questions in the section. Yet I find the first questions difficult and it takes a couple of more questions until I calm down and find my pace.

Does this happen to anyone else, perhaps??

Should I skip the first question then come back? Hahah.. I wonder if that just transfers the burden of "first question panic" on the question that I choose as the substitute.

Thank you!

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Is there a specific section in the CC that teaches diagraming? I can do brain gymnastics pretty well but conditional diagramming isn't my thing. Any help will be appreciated.