I just want to make sure I'm doing blind review correctly. Essentially, I should be going through the questions three times, yes? First under timed conditions. Second, going through the circled questions under untimed conditions. Finally a third time going through the questions to solidify my reasoning for the questions I either missed or stayed the same during blind review.

Good morning 7Sage community! I originally planned to take the September 16 test this year, but after careful consideration, I have decided to push it back to the December 2 test. That being said, where I am currently at in my studies is that I have finished the CC, fool-proofed LG 1-35, and am currently on the PT phase.

My reasoning for pushing back the exam is due to a few reasons: 1) I was out of the country for two weeks at the beginning of June where I did not look at any LSAT material and will be out of the country again in early August for about a week and I don't anticipate myself looking at LSAT stuff, 2) as of writing this post, the September test is a little under 12 weeks away which I don't believe is enough time to get myself in the score range I want, and 3) I started a new job (as a legal assistant!!) which is exceptionally demanding often making me work overtime making doing full PTs after work not really possible.

The December test is a little under 23 weeks away which I believe is ample time to PT and BR enough to where I feel comfortable and confident sitting for for the test. I have already taken PT 36, BR it, and reviewed weak spots. My question is what would you all recommend for a PT schedule. Realistically, I plan on doing one PT a week to start and seeing if I will have time to add a second as long as I can properly BR it. I've seen on another post that doing every other PT or so is a good idea so I don't burn through them all in case of a retake. I'd love to hear your guys thoughts on this so any advice would be much appreciated!

Hey everyone,

Hope everyone is coping while you wait for your scores! I had a quick question regarding how you guys keep track of your LR drilling. I am in the process of fool proofing PT's 1-35 and decided (with the help of @Freddy_D and @"Alex Divine") to work in some LR in order to stay sharp. I decided to just use the LR sections from whatever PT I was fool proofing that day in order to keep it simple. As of right now, that's PT12.

My question to you is: how do you keep track of your LR performance? I think that I will only do one of the two LR sections in order to free up some time to work through the Trainer but I am curious as to what your methods are for going through LR.

Thanks everyone!

I just finished the core curriculum, yay me. I am taking the Sept Lsat. I took a diagnostic a few months ago and got a terrible 148. I just took my first lsat since then timed proctored etc. I scored a 154 :/ improvement but not much. I did the BR though and scored a 170. I was wondering since it seems that my grasp on the material is good how to improve my actual PT score from here. I am currently fool proofing games. Break down on missed PT -16 LR -8LG -14 RC, BR -10 LR -0LG -3RC. I misread a rule on the last game and missed everyone. I felt really strong during cc on drills. I have trouble concentrating through the test, and feel myself fumbling about and running blindly instead of staying calm and doing what I have been practicing doing. Any tips to improve on anything would be appreciated. 83 DAYS!

There are different techniques used for each section of the LSAT. On the RC section, you need to read the passage. You need to read it like a Reasoning Question. This takes me 3.5 minutes on average. I am an excellent reader, and I have read these sections in two minutes, which would work if I were reading a Tom Clancy novel, but this stuff is dry -and uninteresting. You have to be in the mindset to suck this info in. I don't mark up the page with lots of symbols, I mark the different viewpoints. I look for the key point in each paragraph. I underline that part. I put a V by each viewpoint. Timeline, you should be able to remember chronology without going back to look, and you should be able to remember where to find the answers to the questions, by memory, you don't want to have to reread a paragraph. I hope this helps.

Additionally since I am starting out, how would experienced LSATers rank from most difficult to least difficult the top 5 on this list, just to so i can start tackling the more difficult ones first

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://magoosh.com/lsat/2016/most-common-logical-reasoning-question-types/

"he table below displays the various types of Logical Reasoning questions, ranked by how frequently they appear on the exam. The number in the “Frequency” column represents how many questions of that type appear in the official LSAT PrepTests. Thus far, the list includes 55 real exams administrated over the past 15 to 20 years.

The numbers show that the vast majority of Logical Reasoning questions on the LSAT are either Assumption, Flaw, or Inference questions. Those three types combined historically represent about 40% of all Logical Reasoning questions. "

Question Type Frequency

Assumption 427

Flaw 410

Inference 402

Weaken 254

Strengthen 196

this was related i found here; in terms of individual LSAT tests

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/465

Good morning 7sagers! (or afternoon, or whatever!)

I have a quick question for everyone. As of right now I go roughly -4 to -5 on any given LR section. I took a full timed PT this weekend, and am now reviewing it.

THREE of the LR questions I missed because I am a special kind of special.

1.) I read the stem and saw principal and my head assumed I needed to find something consistent with it. The actual stimulus said Inconsistent.

2.) The last question in the section I got really excited for because I read the stem to fast and saw "Main conclusion!" yeah that would have been awesome, except the rest of the stem said "The main conclusion can be properly inferred" .....so yeah this was a SA not a MC.

3.) In the answer choice it said "never happens". I for whatever reason, didn't see "never".

HELP these little mistakes are brutal to my score. Simple issues that when I see are simple Homer Simpson "Doh!" types of mistakes.

Any advice on how to focus more intently on the AC/Stimulus/Stem

For those of you who applied and go in to Berkeley/have legitimate insider info, how critical is it have a 3-4 page Personal Statement?

I've seen conflicting information online. Some say it's fairly important to make sure it's longer, others have said avoid adding fluff if you do a solid job in 2 pages.

Hi all,

I've taken my LSAT and am now waiting for the score. I want to get a head start on the applications (recognizing that most applications open during September). I've completed my Personal Statement and writing up a diversity statement now. Is there a resource out there that has a list of essay requirements from top law schools (for example, list of essay questions or guidelines)? I'm aware that the essays typically change year-to-year but any resource to get me a head start would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Hey everyone!

So I have just started the LG section in the CC. JY mentioned something along the lines that we should be memorizing all the inferences of a game, and doing the game over and over to the point that we've memorized all the inferences. Could someone clarify what exactly I'm supposed to memorize? Kind of confused as to why I should memorize inferences if each game is going to have somewhat different game pieces and outcomes. Thanks so much!!!

Has anyone else had or resolved a problem playing the logic games explanations from the android app?I had hoped to be able to watch them on my phone instead of just the computer, but they won't play.

Does anyone else have more optimism about their test score the further they get from the June LSAT? I was pretty defeated after taking the test, but the more I think about it the better I think I did. Am I delusional? haha is anyone else having this experience?

So i just started my 4th week of foolproofing and i have improved drastically!!! Most games i am getting in and around 8/9 minutes. My question is, should i continue strictly proofing or should i take my first PT. I still plan on proofing even after i move out of doing it the full day. Whats your take? Should i stay proofing until i am perfect? Or should i expand my horizons?

sorry another question regarding whether to cancel or not :(

I just finished the test today and I am sure that I screwed up one of the LG sections.

It's my first time taking LSAT and

My situation is :

I got

LG, LR, RC, LR, LG on test day

I know that I totally screwed up the first LG section, I am sure that I got at least -6 on it (I guessed 5 questions because I ran out of the time)

I did better at the second LG but still guessed 2-3 questions.

LG was supposed to be my best performing sections which I usually got a -0 or -1 on preptests, but I have no idea why I get stuck by some of the questions on test day, this is why I ran out of time :((( I felt terrible because I know that I underperformed today.

I can't figure out which one is the experiment section (both sections is fairly similar regarding the difficulty)... but I am sure that I underperformed in either LG sections...

I usually get -8 to -10 on LR and I felt like I would probably got the same result on today's test since I still ran out of my time and guessed for 3-4 questions in total.

RC is always my weakest section, but I felt I did okay on RC today, although I am still feeling like I was just using my gut to answers many of the questions and not really sure about all of them...

The reason that I am thinking about canceling is : I am pretty sure that I won't use this score to apply for law school because I am aiming for 165+, and I really don't feel like I could reach this goal on this test. Also, if the LG section I screwed up is the real one, then my score will highly likely to be very very low (140 ish or 150 ish !?), and I am really worry that it will give a bad impression to the law school that I apply to or they might average them !!!

The reason that I am thinking about keeping the score is : if I am really lucky, the LG section I screwed up is the experiment one, and I get lucky on LR and RC sections, there is still possibility I could score a 160+ or maybe even 165+(If I am extremely lucky lol). In addition, while I can already expect that I won't get a satisfying score, I really want to know exactly how I performed this time even if it is bad.

I already decided that I would definitely take the following September exam since I am ultimately aiming for a 170+, and I am really struggling now knowing that it is highly likely I won't get a satisfying score, while still want to know exactly how I performed ...

I appreciate a lot if someone could offer me some advices, thank you so so much !

Hello, the ultimate course offers LR drill packs at the end of the syllabus. Is there an overlap of questions between these drill packs and the problem sets? Or are they offered as a supplement to the problem sets for additional practice?

Hey All,

Quick question about your PTing procedure- how do you guys decide where to put your experimental section? I've been placing it randomly. Before I take a PT or look at which sections are which, I'll decide "okay, I'll take my experimental section 2nd, 3rd, last, etc." However, being that I always know which section is my experimental section, it hardly simulates testing conditions. There is inevitably a more "relaxed" approach to a section that I already foreknow is not going to be scored.

Thoughts on this? Also, does anyone know if there are any statistics determining how often the experimental section appears first, second, third, fourth or last?

Thanks!

Can someone point me to LSAT LR q's that are either necessary or sufficient questions types that list BOTH a necessary and sufficient answer choice?

I want to test my ability to distinguish between the two but am having a hard time finding the tricky q's that list both in the same question

So, I'm confused, what are we supposed to do with the Misc. Questions/LR Drills/LG Drills/PT 1-35 PT drills? There doesn't seem to be any defined instruction? Can I skip over those sections aside from the LG Drills (foolproofing) and go to the PTs? If it helps, I am writing in September (and most likely December)

Hi guys,

This is something I've sort of noticed with BR'ing a lot of logical reasoning - it seems that depending on the question type, an answer choice that is a conditional statement can SOMETIMES be a more unlikely contender. It seems to depend on question type.

For instance, sufficient assumption answer choices are usually phrased as conditional statements because, well, you're literally filling in a missing premise. However, that doesn't really seem to apply with necessary assumption, because you're looking for the critical assumption that would make the argument fall apart - and that usually isn't a conditional statement. I've also noticed people being wary of conditional statement answer choices when it's a weakening question: If we don't know that the sufficient triggers, how do we know it affects the argument?

So I guess my question is - I know to always be vigilant of exceptions, but are there indeed LR question types where seeing an answer choice that is phrased as a conditional statement makes you think "mmm unlikely"? And if so which ones? I don't see this as a "silver bullet" way of crossing things off, but I thought it would be useful to be wary. (Kind of like when I now come across a weakening question and read an AC that begins with "Some people..". Since some = a few = could be just one person, it's unlikely that "some" is strong enough to weaken the argument.)

Just trying to build my wariness/understanding! Thank you!

Hi guys,

What is your opinion on the optimal daily study schedule from now until the September LSAT? How many LR, RC, and LG sections per day and how many prep tests per week? Of course, review of the sections should be added into the daily schedule as well.

Same deal as Oldies but Goodies - just different title!

RC got you like this?

https://m.popkey.co/621615/MYrv7.gif

Thanks to Josh (a.k.a @"Cant Get Right" ), we're going to work on changing that!

While Josh will continue to handle (primarily) LR from the old PTs, I'll now be hosting an RC-focused Oldies but Goodies, following Josh's PT schedule along the way. Eye-roll-inducing, artsy fartsy passages? Obnoxiously dull and dizzying science passages? Inference Questions? Obligatory GIFs?? Yes to all!!

If you're able, swing by after having already done the RC section of the week. We'll breakdown one or two passages, the respective answer choices, and strategies for expertly and efficiently moving through the section. Our sessions will always be best with input, so don't be afraid to chime in!

Let's make RC something to look forward to!

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Hey everyone, I was looking for some advice regarding writing a diversity statement. I wasn't originally going to write one, since I am a white, upper-middle class female who hasn't experienced too much hardship in my life for the most part. However, the admissions course includes: "you were or are burdened with an unusual responsibility" as a topic for diversity statements, and I was wondering if y'all believe my situation would apply:

Not to go into too much detail, but I was in a serious relationship with someone who struggled with a severe addiction disorder. It greatly affected my personal and professional life because I was primarily the only person who was there to take care of my partner. I'm just not sure if that admissions officers would see that experience the same as taking care of a sibling or parent with addiction. Any advice would be much appreciated, thanks in advance.

Hey guys,

7Sage was awesome to me and I'd love to give back.

JY and team were super helpful and amazing.

I have some LSAT textbooks from 2015 that I'm ready to throw out. PM me if you are in Brooklyn, NY near East Flatbush Brooklyn and would like to have them.

I'm headed to William & Mary Law and am happy that my LSAT days are over! Good luck!

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Okay, you know i saw this as one of my options after exams ended in the middle of April, but i had the POWERSCORE BIBLES already so from the end of April till today i have been reading and doing some drills from there. Not a knock on the curriculum i certainly learned a lot, but i thought to extend my hours of interest into the LSAT i thought a better interactive experience a la 7Sage was needed.

Chiefly, I finished most of the Logical Reasoning book and got my first exposure to the Conditional Reasoning / and a bit of Formal Logic in that book, which was new to me. Interestingly, at this time I was also under the impression that i would drill the question types 1 by 1 (MBT, A, CBT, MP) (which i know now is not recommended, but i think i will do in the beginning for as much as i think is needed not to burn as much PTS)

In May, I then switched from that and tried to get my exposure to Logic Games and read through as much as i can--mind you i was trying to be ready for September 2017 {thank God for 7Sage's tip to not to take it within 3 months} Anyway, i signed up 2 days ago listened to webinars, heard the methods and philosophies and AM happy I decided to find out what this place was all about!!

Here is my situation I am still in the process of finishing my degree but my schedule allows me to only have to take one course in September, meaning i will have an excess of time to PT, and BR, but before then i want to drill and hone my skills using material from PTs 1-35

Currently, until middle of August I am also taking one other class, so essentially I HAVE a BOAT LOAD of time to dedicate and prepare for December, with a so-so knowledge of Logic Games and Logical Reasoning, just minimal drilling at this point, because i have been jumping between school and this.

Here is what i have:

-Time 7 days a week: maybe 2-4 hours max for school/ 2 or 3* a week

-I have all the 3 books of POWERSCORE LR: 70% done LG: 50% done {basic/adv ordering and Grouping} RC: 0%

-I have Mike Kim's LSAT trainer 2nd edition {i might save this for august or after i strenthen my base knowledge and mechanics}

*my goal is to power through and complete Powerscore and 7sage for the 2nd week of July}

I have all PTS 1-80, and also i have them grouped in booklets from POWERSCORE per section {LR,LG, RC}, / per type

From what i have gathered this is the best thing to to do in my beginning stages is to drill the foundations of every question type for LR through practice and BR using PT LR Questions 1-20, then 20-35 i would save until i have comfortably drilled RC and LG to do as an actual PT, rather individually.

For LG drill the foolproof method using PT 1-20 or up to 35

For RC i have no idea what to do here yet i haven't looked it up.

In any case, if i can get a veteran advice or even someone who was here a couple of months ago to suggest improvements to this plan. I am simply looking to see what people could say to someone who had 5 months to prep that already has a bit of the knowledge, and has lots of time. What to do, what not to do etc. {i have found looking at answers = bad, defeats BR} and grouping question types {but i'm new and need to build a base from there}. I would still say that i am early in my prep and just want to know where i should focus and prioritize i.e., LG over LR or vice versa. My goal is to be ready to PT by August, because in August i have 4 weeks to do only this before i start my one course and i want a perfect balance of purely PTing before December.

For example, If by august i am in PT mode should i PT + BR PTs 35-50AUGSEP; 50-65OCT; 65-80NOV / or 30-50AUGSEP; 50-80OCTNOV

Additionally, I was going to type out as much LR questions and give explanations for the rights and wrongs to get as much exposure to the structure of LR questions similarly as to what David did to earn his 170, coupled with PTing. Any specifics would be greatly appreciated, such as maybe only saving 10 or so for the last month Nov before the December 2nd 2017 test.

Regards,

Hey everyone,

So, I feel I'm at the stage right now at which so many top scorers find themselves at some point in their prep. In fact, maybe 2.5 months out is the typical time. You put off RC for the most part until now. You think "Ah, I got it. I can read. Besides, if I can become a stud at LG and LR, how hard can RC be"....and then RC punches you in the face.

I'm currently at -5/-6 untimed and my last two timed sections were -9 and -11. Very, very sad.

I've learned about the low resolution summary and high resolution summary, along with connecting back after each paragraph after paragraph one. It's a foolproof strategy. I love it. I want to master it. But I still have to sort out a few things until I find my RC comfort zone.

How much do you tend to write down in the margins? Right now I'm writing the low resolution summary and the purpose. I can't write the high resolution because frankly there isn't enough room. Should I write more, less? Thoughts?

How long does it take to learn to read like this? Let's face it, this isn't everyday reading and you are tested on things that aren't exactly central to whether or not you've comprehended the words on the page.

Do you actually remember every detail of the high resolution summary? After I finish reading the passage, I go down the margins and read the low resolution summary, I then ask myself "Why?" or "What?" and then expand...this reinforces all the finer points of the passage.

Any other tidbits you can share with me? I am desperate to get to a consistent -4 or less under timed conditions.

Thank you all so much for your input.