Which type of questions in the logical reasoning section require the use of Suf/Nec and their negation? I have a good idea of how this works, I understand when/where it applies in LG, but I have no clue when to use this in LR. Sometimes I'll see an indicator and it doesn't seem to affect the question at all. Other time's I feel I miss them completely. What are the common question types that require us to map these out in the x_ ---> y fashion? What do the question stems look like?

Seriously it is getting down to the wire for the June exam and I am STILL struggling with the misc lg! Sometimes I can figure them out but for the most part I am not getting the entire game of that problem type! Please.....if anyone has suggestions could you leave a comment?!

Thanks in Advance

-M

What are some of your strategies to get excited for this section?

I enjoy the process of studying for LR and RC, but not LG.

I think I naturally enjoy anything that has to do with literary comprehension, but LG reminds me too much of algebra and math, which I've hated all throughout my life.. haha

I also think a part of it is my pride: I've excelled in humanities but not really in math, relatively speaking. So I would work extra hard, if need be, to maintain my self identity that I am good at critical reading. With LG, I have no such existential motivation.

any way to change this preconceived notion?

When I open up the page to fool-proof for LG, I think ... "Uh....it's that time again..."

Any tips?

Hey all,

My circumstances allow me to take two months of the summer (July & August) off to focus solely on LSAT studying. My goal is to take the September test. This isn't my first time studying for the LSAT so the fundamental concepts are familiar to me - it's a matter of really pushing myself to refine my understanding and application.

I'm currently working through the core curriculum with a full time job. I don't know how to structure my studying currently knowing that I'll be studying full time in July & August. I'm not being consistent with studying right now b/c my work can be intense and exhausting. Any advise would be appreciated!

Hey 7Sagers!

I just got my acceptance letters from both University of Melbourne (JD) and University of Sydney in Australia! These are the only two applications I have submitted so far, as North American ones do not open until August-November. I am planning to apply to North American ones as well once they open, but I was just wondering what your thoughts are on some of the pros and cons when deciding between a JD in Australia and one in Canada.

I am originally from Europe, so the "remote" location is not an issue for me and furthermore I am not sure whether I'd want to come back to Canada to practice once I'm done (I'm somewhat of a go-everywhere and explore everything type of person) but I am wondering if any of you have heard of grad-employment rates and whether they are better in Canada v. Australia, or other things such as harshness of grading scales, etc. Just anything that would help me with my choice really...

Thank you in advance everyone :)

Hi everyone!

The June LSAT is about a month away, and I was wondering if you guys had any advice.

To give you a little context, based off of my time PTs, I am still about 2-3 points away from my target score. When I do BR, I generally hit my target score or somewhat exceed it. I'm a little afraid that I have hit my LSAT score "wall." My score hasn't changed much over the past few weeks. Do you guys think it's possible to boost up my score those 2-3 points, and, do you guys have any advice on how to best study to gain a better and more confident grasp on this test? Recently, I've been a little lost as to how to best utilize my remaining time.

Thanks ahead of time!

I guess it's best to start with a little bit of history. I started my LSAT in June of 2016, I took a course with one of the testing companies and sat down for the September 2016 test. I scored a 157, which for me personally simply was not good enough. The course I took over the summer felt cluttered, and I certainly did not apply myself the way I should.

After the results, I turned to 7sage. I have the Ultimate package and I can tell this is much more my style for learning and comprehension. The question I can't answer now is "where do I begin".

I feel most confident with LG, I enjoy them, look forward to them and over all like doing them. I am still not perfect here (-2 to -4).

The other two sections are iffy. I took two practice tests through 7sage, one as a diagnostic and one more just to get a more accurate reading of where I am. The scores on those two tests were 161 and 159 respectively.

I have accepted that I don't know how to "LSAT" and I have accepted that I need to blind review in order to understand what I am doing both wrong and right. What I don't know is as follows;

Would it be most wise for me to follow the course lesson by lesson?

Should I sit down, look at the analytics, and focus on the question types that reoccurred during those two tests?

Should I relearn the way I approach Logic Games and use the methods 7sage suggests?

Okay, I can't get logic for the life of me lol!

One cannot prepare a good meal (GM) from bad food (/F),

GM --> F (my answer. "/F" is negated because of the word "cannot").

GM --> Not /F (official answer).

Produce good food (F) from bad soil (/S)

F --> S (my answer I negated "S" because of the word "cannot" which is connected to the necessary from the first sentence).

F --> Not /F (official answer. Where the hell did "/F" come from?).

Maintain good soil (S) without good farming (Farm),

/S --> /Farm (my answer. I negated "S" because of the word "without," and negated "Farm" because of the word "cannot" which is connected to the necessary from the first sentence).

S --> Farm (official answer).

Or have good farming (Farm) without a culture that places value on the proper maintenance of all its natural resources so that needed supplies are always available (Maintenance).

/Farm --> /Maintenance (my answer. I negated "Farm" because of the word "without", and negated "Maintenance" because of the word "cannot" which is connected to the necessary from the first sentence).

Farm --> Maintenance (official answer).

Take a look at my translation from English to conditional logic symbols. What's my problem, and what am I doing wrong!?!??!!

I totally suck at translating English into conditional logic symbols. I've got some good advice from 7Sagers, but any more advice on how to improve translating English into conditional logic symbols?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-37-section-2-question-12/

Only question stem and all answer choices are shown. No stimulus.

When is a good time to introduce practicing the writing section of the exam? Or do you even have to?

So far I have been only doing the timed 4-part preptests to make sure I have those sections ready to go by test day, but always skipped the writing parts. Is it useful to practice them, or skip them since the subjects change so often?

Last break before the LSAT!

Breaktime

The next PT for Thursday and Saturday will be PT 80, so that you have time to take it and be prepared before JY's PT 80 review. Check the calendar for more updates and keep an eye out for JY's review.

The Full Schedule

And if you’d like to see the full schedule for upcoming sessions, here it is:

https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=il5ia3a4dmghh6lku7b0lh0ed0%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/New_York

Note about PT Review:

"The only songs A has written are B songs and PR songs"

(PT73.S4.21. https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-73-section-4-question-21/)

I translated the sentence as:

A --> B

A --> PR

(A --> B and PR)

But then I realized it has to be "a song A has written has to be B or PR".

A --> B or PR

I was able to pick the correct answer choice for this question, but I don't know which is the right translation.

Any help will be appreciated! :)

Apologies for the annoying question, but does anyone know if the LSAC still maintains their 6 months policy on the recency of the photo? I ask because on the LSAC photo guidelines site it only says recent and recognizable, and I have a photo I uploaded back in October (ostensibly for the December 2016 LSAT but now planning to take in June 2017). I was not even aware of a 6 month cutoff until seeing it mentioned on a forum this morning. Am I missing something / will there be any issue taking the test or receiving my scores because my photo was uploaded the LSAC site more than 6 months ago?

Thanks so much!

Really - how do you "know"? I feel as though I will never be ready.

If anyone else has experienced anything even remotely similar to me, some advice would be very welcome. For context, here's my test-postponement/study history: (Also, if you just want to skim to the main questions, go down to the last paragraph and ignore most of this.)

I started studying for the December LSAT last October. I was teaching Comp 1 at a local university, taking a full load of graduate level courses, and studying for the LSAT roughly 30 hours a week. I figured out pretty quickly given my chaotic/busy schedule I would need a LOT longer than just Oct-Dec to take the LSAT. So I postponed until February. I quit my job at the university, took a leave of absence from the grad school, and began working part time at a library. I promised myself if by 4 weeks before the February LSAT I wasn't scoring a 155+, I would postpone until June. The one month mark came along and I scored a 154. So guess what? I postponed.

Now as June approaches, I am just not sure if I am "ready." I know I have a month to pull up my scores, but my diagnostics are not consistently in a place I'm willing to accept. About five weeks ago I climbed up to a 163 (my goal being a 167), but then my scores consistently fell. First the score went down to a 162 (no big deal, right?), but then over the course of 5 weeks my scores fell until I was barely above my diagnostic score from last fall. After that lowest diagnostic two weeks ago, I was so discouraged and disheartened I couldn't even look at my desk strewn with LSAT prep materials; it was too depressing. I took off an entire week, binged on Netflix, at ice cream, cried as much as I needed to, and otherwise avoided the LSAT. After my week off, I studied and drilled, and then finally took at practice test yesterday (Sunday). I scored a 156 on that exam, (raw score 72, missing 28 wrong), and a 158 on the Blind Review.

Maybe I should be happy with the score going up (even if it's not as high as it once was), but here's the thing: the logic games skewed my score. In the June 2007 exam, I have previously drilled on all the logic games in all the prep material I've covered over the past months. I did really well on it, but I don't think it's an accurate indicator of how I would actually do on exam day. On the LR section, I only did better than the previous test by 2 questions. That's TWO questions more I got right than the score that sent me into a week of LSAT induced depression. Even though my score rose, I don't think it's a "real" indicator, and that freaks me out a little. I know I can postpone until September, but the idea of putting off the LSAT yet again (and missing the noon test time) fills me with dread.

I'm trying to relax, stay healthy, exercise, stay positive, etc., but I also know I shouldn't take the LSAT unless I'm ready. But, will I ever FEEL ready? How many practice tests should be in/above my ideal LSAT score range before I decide to bite the bullet and take the real thing? I've read I should wait until 10 practice tests are at/above my score range, but I know that won't happen between now and June 12th. But I've also read that lots of people pull up their scores a lot in the last month (by 10 points, even) so not to give up hope until like a week out from test day.

Someone please give me some sagely advice. I need it, dangit.

would it be a good strategy to do back to back practice tests to help build my endurance? I wouldn't do this tactic for PT 36 and up because those are too valuable and I want those to be as realistic as possible. But say I did PR 6 and 7 just back to back in one sitting? While that would be mentally draining I think it would help my mental endurance overall. Thoughts? (I would

Do BR afterwards on PT6 and 7 of course)

Hey all, i've been accepted to 4 law schools in Canada and wait listed at 2. Waiting to hear back from 3 others.

I don't know why but i've lost my excitement. I start in September and I need to get excited about law school again before i start. I've started to feel more and more nervous and I don't know how to shake it off. Part of the reason I am nervous is because I have yet to make a decision about which school to attend. I feel like i am at a crossroads in my life and big changes are about to happen. I'm sure there are other 7sages in this situation so if you've found a way to get excited and cope, please share!

Thank you.

Hi everyone,

I saw that May 16th will be our last days to change the date of June 2017 test. I also see that the registration for Sep 2017 test is not available yet. Does anyone know when we will be able to start changing date? I am worried if I will miss the day of changing date.

Thanks!!

Alison

Hi! So I have a question on timing, should I time myself while Im drilling different logical reasoning questions and then time myself when I do PTs or should I time myself for the logical reasoning questions as well as the PTs. The reason I am asking is that I know some questions will take longer than others so I don't really know what standard time to give myself for each question if I were to time myself. Thank you so much in advance!

This guy JY shifts from a correct CBT answer choice to a MBT answer choice in the question straight after. I understand why some of the elements might be fixed in certain positions for the GLQ arrangement on Team 1 in Q23, but wouldn't you have to test all of them to make sure they must be true?

Sure, for Q24, G & K are positioned in the same way as they are for the correct answer on Q23 (E: L and Q). I get that. How would you know that every other element in that setup must be true? I could understand one noticing one as you're going through the setup on Q23 but this approach doesn't seem like it would hold true in all scenarios.

I understand why the answer is right, but this approach just seems a little sketchy. I don't know how you can say something that could be true also must be true. You would have to test it to make sure unless you knew from the setup.

The title pretty much says it all. I work a 8:30am -5pm job Monday - Friday with an hour commute on each end. On the weekends my time is spent taking care of all the chores I was too tired to get to during the week (laundry, cleaning, animals etc.). I squeeze 7sage in during my hour lunch at work every day and on the weekends I am averaging roughly 3 hours a day. This leaves me at around 11 hours of LSAT a week. I'm simply not okay with that. I would like to study after work but I am mentally exhausted.

I know I am not alone. I know others are just as busy, if not more busy, than I am. So I'm looking for advice on how I can get more study time in with the LSAT. I want to know what people do to motivate themselves after a long day at school or work. How can I ensure that I am giving myself enough time to absorb what is required of me. Everyone says in order to improve on the LSAT you have to put in the time. I really want to, but life circumstances seem to really make that difficult. So, before it is to late, what can I do to change. I am shooting for the September LSAT.

Hi all I was wondering if anyone else had this experience. I just finished the PT's from PT's 42-51 (the red book) and I was averaging about 18-20 on LR. I just started PT's 62-71 (Purple Book) and I have done pretty terrible on the first four LR sections. Is there a huge increase in difficulty between the two books? Or am I just getting a bit burnt out? Or could it be something completely different? Not really sure what to make out of the situation. I was really confident before starting this book, but I am feeling really un sure of my skills now.

How have your scores improved from your first post-curriculum PT (not diagnostic)? i.e. how much have you benefited from the process of taking PT's and BR?

Many logic games utilize alphabet orders to differentiate a variable set (ex) say, variable set 1 consists of JKLM and 2, NOP...etc) but I often confuse which alphabet belongs to which variable set. For example, when I think of the variable N, I have to look back and forth my main diagram and the variable to see where N belongs. This is an incredible waste of time.

I am trying to memorize the alphabetical order so well to the point that, when I see a variable, I know exactly where in the variable set it belongs. To add to my dismay, I've learned Russian in college, and I sometimes confuse Russian with English alphabet. For example, in Russian, "r" is pronounced similarly to "g." Sometimes, without even being aware of it, I would write down g in the main diagram instead of r...

Anyways, does anyone have tips for quickly categorizing and memorizing which alphabet belongs to which variable set? (other than memorizing the alphabetical order again)

Hi, I was wondering if I upgrade from starter to premium, will I only have 1 month of access? It says +1 month extension so I was confused. I would appreciate if someone could clarify this for me.

Can exposure to the legal system be written about in the personal statement, e.g. serving on a jury?

Thanks in advance