Hello all! I'm signed up for the September LSAT and have been testing in the lows 160s. It terms of preparation, I have completed 70% of the 7sage curriculum and have taken only 3 LSAT practice tests. I am already planning on taking the December LSAT because I am absolutely confident I can make at least a 168 merely by improving on LG, which is the part of the curriculum I have not gone over. I have also been missing around 3 questions in RC and around 8 across both sections of LR, so I know I could also make some improvements there.

Typically I would just say I'll withdraw from/cancel the September test, as I already know I plan to retake. However I am taking the LSAT abroad, as I'm in Europe at the moment (actually in a country that doesn't offer it, requiring me to fly to Paris to take the test). I made this whole plan several months ago, assuming I would be ready. Long story short, I'm not and I know that I am not performing at my score potential.

At this point, I can't get the money back on the flights/hotel/or test in Paris, so should I just go ahead and take the test, knowing I'll probably get a 162 or so? I am not planning on submitting my apps until January when the December results are out anyway. I've already read up quite a bit on whether the December LSAT is "too late" and have realized with a 170+ score, it really isn't. I also have read the policies of each school I plan on applying to in regard to multiple LSAT scores, and the general consensus seems to be they will consider the higher one, and give you the option of sending in an explanation if there is a big discrepancy between the scores.

Like all of us, it has been beat into my head to not take the LSAT until you feel ready for it. Is it irresponsible of me to just take it anyway and then explain the lower score away on my application?

Also, as an aside, I am now in a position where I could devote around 20-25 hours per week for the next two weeks to studying. I know predicting point improvement is hugely difficult, as it depends on the person, but do you think I would potentially raise my score another 3 points or so?

I really appreciate y'alls help. Just reading through the discussions here on 7sage is helpful, the community seems so genuinely helpful and pleased when other's succeed.

Hey all.

I did PT 71 today and ran into some rule substitution questions. I've found these questions to either be really easy (intuitive) or really hard, without there really being a middle ground. Like J.Y. said in his video on Rule Substitution questions, a lot of the times it feels like I just get it or I don't.

On PT 71, I didn't really get it. I narrowed it down to two answer choices. This time I decided to take a more systematic approach.

I redrew my entire game board substituting for the new rule to see if I got the same inferences.

This method got me to the right answer, but I will say it took A LOT of time, more than I think was worth it (felt rushed the rest of the section).

Does anyone have more efficient systematic approaches to these types of questions? Or should I just train myself to be faster and redrawing the game board? Or should I just guess lol?

Hey guys!

Just curious, what's the take on letters of recommendation for graduate students?

Do students get letters from graduate professors or should we go back to our undergraduate professors and hope they remember you? Since our undergraduate grades are the ones that count for admissions, should we ask undergrad profs?

In my case, I went to a grad program that had professors that basically SUCKED and it's literally like pulling teeth to get them to do ANYTHING. I'd probably have a better shot getting a better letter from my undergrad school.

I'd love to hear opinions!

Thanks!

Does anyone know if LSAC has banned the Perfect Score Watch? I am aware that recently they had banned certain watches so I just wanted to be sure.

https://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Score-Watch-Version-LSAT/dp/B073Z8GG32/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1504313129&sr=8-1&keywords=perfect+score+watch

Hi

should I use past or present tense to describe my current job in resume?

Also, should I include hours per week? I did include them but they seem to clutter the page a little so I am considering removing them and keep the page as clean as possible.

Thanks! :)

Hi everyone,

I sat for the LSAT in June and scored well but also 6 points below my average from the previous 15 practice tests I had taken, so I am registered to re-take in two weeks. That said, I realize I will not get my score back until mid-October. My application is almost good to go. I plan to edit my essays a few more times, and my recommendation letters will hopefully be in by the start of October. Given the rolling nature of admissions, is there any difference between how my application would be received mid-September or early-October compared to mid-October?

Hi all,

I have a question on how I am supposed to read a certain rule in sequencing games. The fifth rule in this game states: Each rock classic is immediately preceded on the CD by a new composition. I wrote it out as [ R -> NR ]

Looking at 7sage's explanation for this question, this rule limits the first spot to only N, because if you put R in the first spot you would be forcing an N to a zero spot, which is a contradiction.

I am actually quite puzzled by this rule because in an earlier PT (PT20 S3 Game 3), such mechanics did not apply. Rule 1 of this game states: If a purple bead is adjacent to a yellow bead, any bead that immediately follows and any bead that immediately precedes that pair must be red. I wrote this rule out as [ (PY or YP) -> R (YP or PY) R ]. Then similarly wouldn't YP or PY not able to go to the first and second spots, as this would force a R to a zero spot? But clearly, Question 13 allows P to be placed at first and Y to be second.

Why do these similar rules force out different restrictions? Is there something I am missing? Thanks in advance!

Hey everyone! Happy first day of applications!!

I just had a thirty second question about my C&F Addendum. Specifically, what length, in general, should an addendum be? I know that the answer to this will vary based on the situation, but for a simple underage drinking violation in undergrad I was curious about how many words would hit the sweet spot of informative, yet concise.

Excited to hear your thoughts!

Thanks!

I'd rather be able to just glance over at it. Wondering if anyone knows the answer.

So when I uploaded my picture for my admission ticket it seemed fine, but now that I've printed it off it looks like there's a shadow on half my face! Is it possible that they will let me change my picture even though it's after the deadline if I call them or something, or am I basically screwed out of taking the LSAT in September?

So now that I understand logic games, I'm obsessed with them. However I just wanted to get some opinions on how many logic games I should drill a week? This past two days I've mastered a game each day. Is that too many or does that sound okay to do moving forward?

Hello Everyone,

So I am studying for the December LSAT in addition to trying to get the components of my law school application together. How exactly does the electronic application process work? Because I thought law schools do not get your application until said application is complete, but apparently you can send parts of your law school application in early and have the law schools wait on the score. Which is it?

Hi everyone,

My school's pre-law advisor just sent out a link to sign up for Georgetown Law group interviews. I'm not sure if I should just sign up now to express interest or wait to see if they send an individual invitation.

Does Georgetown only offer one or the other? Or could I do both a group interview and an individual interview? Also are group interviews recommended or are individual interviews better?

Thanks!

Hi,

Is there any plans to add caption / closed captions to the videos?

I think it would help with the study @ work as well as those with hearing disabilities.

Just a thought ...............

So im one of those perpetual starbucks dwellers. I cannot study anywhere else. I just started tracking how much coffee i drink a day....its insane. Apart from the health ramifications i have realized that a triple shot gives me the perfect amount of focus for 2 sections or so and then my brain shuts off. My score normally starts tanking at section 3 on most PTs EXCEPT if its LG. Im attributing this to coffee over fatigue bc i can do 6 or 7 timed sections and be ok if i have coffee. What do i do?

Was wondering how people go about squeezing every question for all that it can teach.

So, I plan on applying this cycle. However, I've come to the realization that I haven't really connected with any of my professors. I've always gotten pretty good grades in college, but haven't ever really gone to my professors for help or just to talk in general. I understand I need a letter of recommendation from at least one of them. What should I do?

Thanks! :)

I found this website a couple months ago before I joined 7sage. It gives ratings and reviews of LSAT testing centers. Should be helpful for those of you deciding where to take your exam!

http://www.simugator.com/lsat-test-site-rater.php

Hello all!

I am coming close to getting where I want to on my test after many trials and tribulations. I want to drill the top 3, or top 4 question types that I am missing on the LR questions over the next two weeks. The question types are flaw, MSS, NA, and PSA. I was wondering what were the best resources out there for this type of drilling. I looked at amazon and there were so many different books to choose from I wasn't sure which to pick! Thanks!

Can you please help me decide on whom to ask for LOR?

I graduated undergrad 2012, went to graduate school, graduated 2013. Since then I have been working for three-four years.

I am now trying to go to law school and have been thinking of my LORs. My potential LOR Candidates are

My former supervisor whom I interned for during my undergrad years. He has great credentials and I am very close to him. Have been keeping in touch for a long time, so definitely easiest to ask for recommendation and I have no doubt that he can write me a great recommendation. Now, potential issues I have with this LOR is that 1) he is not my professor and 2) I interned for him, so this was very long ago, so I don’t know what the admission committee might think of that.

My current supervisor from a non-profit organization that I am involved in. I don’t think I can get a LOR from my main job because I can’t let the company know that I am applying to law school. However, I have been involved in this non-profit organization for as many years I have been working. It is not my primary occupation, but could even be more relevant to law school because I do more writing for this job than my primary job. My primary occupation is quantitative research, dealing with numbers and computer modeling. Now, the only issue I have with this LOR is that it is not from my main job.

A professor from my school years. Couldn’t really think of professors who would write me a good recommendation because 1) I went to a really big school 2) my major was engineering so most of the classes I took were exam oriented, requiring minimal interaction between students and professors. Fortunately, for this professor, I took his class and even became his TA. So he can probably write me a good recommendation. My issues with this LOR is that 1) I haven’t been in touch since I graduated, which was four years ago. 2) This class is a project/presentation class so I don’t know if my professor can write me the kind of recommendation that law schools are looking for. Also, maybe he will write a “meh” recommendation. Who knows what he will do whereas LOR 1) and 2), I can 100 percent guarantee that I will get really good LORs.

Now, I have been reading a lot about how an academic LOR is a must for law schools. But as you can see, I feel like I can get better recommendations from non-academic sources. So if I can get some feedback on which LORs I should get, I would really appreciate it.

Thanks a lot

Hey yall (from Texas),

I am registered for the September LSAT, but I am wondering what yall think about pushing

I am doing 0 LG and -1 to -3 on RC. However, for LR I range from 0/-1 to -5/-6 but usually -3 each section. Therefore, I am ranging from 168 to 174ish. The variance I mostly attribute to time on LR. I get done with my round 1 with only about 2 minutes usually. My blind review is almost always 176-178, and I don't see any major trends as far as missing question types. My thesis is that I have the fundamentals--my variance is due to speed.

However, I have been out of school for four years now, so I work all day and then come home and study. I don't feel like I have the time necessary to get more time on LR sections before the September test to get more consistency on each LR section. I am most concerned about the range I am seeing. I know I am fully capable of mid 170s (and I don't see the point of pushing up into my theoretical maximum). BUT I don't want to score in the 160s just because I went too slow on one LR section or had a bad day.

I always hear it is better to apply earlier rather than later for T14 schools because of scholarships. However, would it be better for me to foolproof LR and get a 173ish in December or have a bad day and get a 168ish in December??

Also, tips on improving speed? I am already videoing my LR takes. A friend recommended using an interval timer and doing questions from the question bank at a level 1 difficulty in under 40 seconds, level 2 50 seconds, level 3 65 seconds, level 4/5: 80 seconds but then forcing myself to skip if I take longer than the limit to train myself to take the appropriate amount of time on each question difficulty type. Thoughts?

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What are law schools looking for in a LOR?

My professors told me to figure out the academic and non-academic traits I would like to include in the LOR and then they will tell me if they could write it for me. What would be traits that catches law school admissions' eye when they read my LORs?

Thank you!

Are there many things more dangerous on this test than a Sufficient Assumption answer choice in a Necessary Assumption question? It's like trying to distinguish a blueberry from something that looks like a blueberry but is poisonous. Not to mention we've only got 30 seconds to do it and if we fail, the effects of the poison compound for years.

I feel like I've got to be like Michael Jordan on the clutch...17 seconds to go in a 62-61 game and sinking the jump shot with confidence, every time. Should I prepare before hand so I'm ready for the situation? Or should I not think about it so when the time comes I'm relaxed? You know what, I'll meditate on it. I'll practice my mindfulness for the performance after I tune my brain to distinguish the strength of arguments floating in the ether that aren't made in the conversation.

If anyone tells me this test won't prepare me for law school, I will likely question their sensibility. For ((-- premise indicator) this is a mental transition. (em)Although ((--- conceding a point that probably doesn't matter) this isn't teaching me about torts, you bet I'm going to read those books quicker, with greater scrutiny, tact, and anticipation. And much later on when I'm helping my clients defend themselves, you bet I'm going to drive my opponents to the ground with their assumptions.(/p)