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I am stuck on some of the MSS questions, Weaken, and the difference with how to tell MSS and Strengthen apart especially when C/C Strengthen is in play.

For example, PT 16, S2, Q21 was on a webinar with Nicole and presented as a C/C Strengthen question. The stem says what I would take as a MSS question though, stating "Which one of the following, if true, most strongly supports the conclusion drawn by the entomologists?

Nicole suggested looking for the one answer that actually doesn't strengthen the entomologists conclusion at all, rather to choose the AC that doesn't support it, thus making the entomologists conclusion more sound.

Such as A causes B is the conclusion, so the answer needs to be either: B causes A, C causes both A and B, or No relationship.

Can someone please explain how and why I would know that I wasn't supposed to be choosing a supporting answer, but rather a conflicting one? Are there any tricks or key words for questions like these?

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Last comment wednesday, may 24 2017

LR failure

I have grown disheartened in the past few weeks as my PT scores but particularly my LR scores have fallen. I feel like every question has two right answers and always seem to pick the wrong one. I'm currently studying full time (7hrs/day) so I was hoping I would see some improvement but I'm only getting worse. Any tips?

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Would you take the test here again?

Yes! In fact I have registered for the Feb 2017 exam at the same location. I can't really imagine a more perfect LSAT test location (maybe something that's closer to me?). I had a good experience here on test day.

Proctors:

They were friendly, fair, and mostly competent. The main proctor in my room did forget to do a 5-minute warning on the first section, but I have no reason to believe this would be an issue in the future.

Facilities:

The campus and the building looked brand new. Everything was comfortable. The bathrooms were located directly outside our classroom, which made things less confusing during the break.

What kind of room:

Lecture-type class room, with rows of long tables. It was very well lit with natural light filtering in through the windows.

How many in the room:

I think there were about 50-60 test takers in my room.

Desks:

Long desks rather than individual desks, which allowed for plenty of space. Chairs were very comfortable and their height was easily adjustable.

Left-handed accommodation:

I can't speak to this, but given what the desks looked like I think it was probably good?

Noise levels:

No problem here - it was quiet, with no noticeable outside noise. One test taker had a cough.

Parking:

I didn't drive to the site so can't speak to this.

Time elapsed from arrival to test:

We started the test at about 9:30am. I arrived a little before 8am, and check-in began at 8:30am.

Date[s] of Exam[s]:

Saturday, December 3, 2016

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Good morning my fellow LSAT compatriots! I have been asking questions on this discussion board the past couple of weeks and have received a lot of really awesome and helpful responses. I want to contribute to the community, but feel like I am not strong enough at the test to help anyone out! So I am here to give motivation instead!

Just remember everyone, you are good enough! You have what it takes, you are a great individual and you are awesome! This test can not beat you, because you are an Iron Woman/Man. You have limitless potential and you will succeed. Every obstacle, hard question, or score, does not represent you as an individual. These challenges are just there for you to learn and grow from. If your score is not moving, and you just cannot figure out how to solve a certain type of question don't worry! The code will break for you eventually. Just keep going!

Enjoy your morning/afternoon/evening 7sagers!

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Last comment wednesday, may 24 2017

Abstract language.

I have an issue with the harder flaw reasoning questions. 99 times out of 100 i can point out the flaw. Hell i can make a stand up comedy routine about how stupid you are for coming up with your conclusion with the flawed reasoning in the stimulus. my issue is pinning down the abstract language that exists in the answer choices. I get them wrong like half the time. I am the Tom cat and the LSAT makers are Jerry mouse in this scenario. Im getting got way too often. 50 percent of the hard flaw questions i get wrong. And when i watch the explanations, my flaws are right, i just can't pin down the abstract language down. (random example. PT 41 section 3 question 20)

Has anyone else struggled with this and how did you really get better at this? I of course do BR and mark down the questions and refer back to them. I just feel like theres an infinite amount of ways for them to be so convoluted and vague and subtle with the right answer. I have a positive attitude when i come up short on other questions but its hard to not get frustrated when i miss those questions specifically. Its like I'm getting beat by the same move and it huuuuurrtttss.

I know i have to keep practicing. Im not taking the LSAT until September and i hover around the low to mid 160's on my PT's. sort of just wanted to vent on the forum, sort of want to see if this is a problem anyone else has and if theres hope and what they did to master this.

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I am a veteran, and I received 18 total credits for my time served. On my transcript they show up as "TR". They do count toward my undergrad degree, but obviously there is no GPA associated. They aren't from another school so I can't just ask someone for a transcript. I guess my question is, are these credits just not counted?

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So I have been pondering trying to obtain a low level, entry position in a law firm before I actually go to law school in 2018. I don't really have any experience in a firm and would like to gain that experience so I have a better understanding of how firms flow. This on top of trying to narrow down possible types of law I would like to pursue.

I don't really know what kind of position I can obtain without a J.D. so I'm curious what kind of firm jobs people have gotten (and the pay you received if you don't mind sharing; I have bills to pay haha). I do have my bachelor's in political science and just finished the CC so I feel like I have a bit more flexibility to do this now.

I would love to hear y'all's thoughts and experiences! Thanks and Gig'em!!!

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Before taking my test in February, I went with the route where I drew out most/all possible combinations of a game before solving it and it DOES make the questions easy to solve...

However, recently, as I've been studying for the June exam, I've noticed that when I just graph out the bare minimum of where things go and the rules, I find myself finishing the games much quicker... It might take me a little more per question to graph possible solutions to a certain scenario, but i find it more beneficial that not having to spend time graphing scenarios (before answering questions) allows me time to brute force certain questions if needed. Afterall, filling out the game in like 3-6 different outcomes is a kind of brute forcing itself right?

What do you guys think... is my method of minimal planning before answering questions okay? Or is it a rule of thumb/ better in the long run to pre-fill as many as I can in a decent amount of time?

I feel like what I'm doing now is sort of a noob method....but idk, i think its working. Anyone else?

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Hey everyone so I am going through the CC and need some help.

1: How much time am I suppose to spend on the question sets at the end of each section?

2: Also I realize that on the more difficult problem sets I am getting more questions wrong; problem is that while I am doing them I feel very confident that they are correct because most of the time I am narrowing the answer choices down to two answers and end up selecting the wrong one due to my inability to eliminate the last remaining incorrect answer choice. Any advice on what I should do or any advice on eliminating the wrong answer when stuck between two?

3: And when reviewing the questions which I got wrong but did not circle for BR I am having a difficult time breaking my thought process that led me to the wrong answer choice.

Thanks for the help, and good luck everyone :)

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My accepted school gave me a scholarship and told me to withdraw from my current waitlists. Is that allowed? I know they can make you withdraw from schools you've been accepted to but what about waitlists?

A second related question - if I do have to withdraw to accept the scholarship, do you recommend that I email my waitlist school and tell them about the situation and that if they accept me now, I will definitely commit? Help!!

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Okay, I can't get logic for the life of me lol!

One cannot prepare a good meal (GM) from bad food (/F),

GM --> F (my answer. "/F" is negated because of the word "cannot").

GM --> Not /F (official answer).

Produce good food (F) from bad soil (/S)

F --> S (my answer I negated "S" because of the word "cannot" which is connected to the necessary from the first sentence).

F --> Not /F (official answer. Where the hell did "/F" come from?).

Maintain good soil (S) without good farming (Farm),

/S --> /Farm (my answer. I negated "S" because of the word "without," and negated "Farm" because of the word "cannot" which is connected to the necessary from the first sentence).

S --> Farm (official answer).

Or have good farming (Farm) without a culture that places value on the proper maintenance of all its natural resources so that needed supplies are always available (Maintenance).

/Farm --> /Maintenance (my answer. I negated "Farm" because of the word "without", and negated "Maintenance" because of the word "cannot" which is connected to the necessary from the first sentence).

Farm --> Maintenance (official answer).

Take a look at my translation from English to conditional logic symbols. What's my problem, and what am I doing wrong!?!??!!

I totally suck at translating English into conditional logic symbols. I've got some good advice from 7Sagers, but any more advice on how to improve translating English into conditional logic symbols?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-37-section-2-question-12/

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Hey guys,

I'm in the middle of studying for the June LSAT and am currently taking the preptests...which PTs do you think are most similar to the LSAT as it currently stands? I'm only in the PT 40's but am thinking of jumping to the more recent PT's to better prep for the real thing as I'm not going to have enough time to do all of them. Where should I start?

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If you are in a school, say American, and want to transfer to say Vanderbilt. Lets say you get 15k a semester from American for tuition. Would you be able to get a scholarship if you transferred to Vanderbilt? How does that work?

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Hey Everyone,

So far we have done a regular passage and an A-B passage. This time we will be going over a science passage. We will be applying the same strategy that we learned in the previous two sessions. The key is to keep practicing with these strategies so we can get better. This time we will be doing PT 44, Section 1, Passage 3.

I would recommend not doing the passage before coming to the meeting so we can work through this together and you can really practice with the right strategy. All you are required to have for the meeting is the passage and questions in front of you in some form.

If you have never attended one of these sessions please do not worry that you will not know what's going on. I will review the strategies before starting the passage and you will catch on.

To join the meeting all you have to do is click the link below at the specified date and time.

I'll see you all there! : )

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Due to the recent elimination of the 3 take limit, I have been considering the possibility of retaking. However, I'm not exactly sure where to start as I have already studied the LSATs for over 2 years, pretty much took all the exams and went through curriculum and have taken the exam three times. My highest fresh non-official takes were a 163 and a 166, but my highest official take was a 160. Starting from a 140 diagnostic, I do understand that I made substantial progress but I would at least like to be able to score closer to the higher end of my score band or perhaps score into the high 160s or low 170s. How should my study plan look like? RC I have been underperforming on test days because I tend to freeze up on hard passages. LR is an inconsistent section for me as well and I have trouble on those harder flaw questions that don't follow a cookiercutter flaw. FInally for LG, I tend to struggle with sections that have those medium level games that require you to brute force

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Last comment tuesday, may 23 2017

Help! Need some serious advice!

So i took my first ever cold diagnostic LSAT exam on Tuesday and i scored a 140.

I just started the Kaplan Review Course this week and its 3 nights a week.

My LSAT is June 12th.

So i have 33 days to raise my score.

My goal is a 160.

Is that possible? Does anyone else have kind of similiar experience? Any study tips that really helped?

I am not pushing my exam date back. I am already registered. So its happening no matter what.

Thank you!!

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Last comment tuesday, may 23 2017

Advice needed for June Test

Hi, I've been studying for the LSAT for about 5 months in total now and I'm preparing to take the June test. I'm aiming for a 170 and I just took a preptest (PT44) and got a 160 timed score with a 172 BR score. I don't know what is going on with me during the timed test, but I feel like my fundamentals are fine at this point. I feel a little discouraged and would appreciate any suggestions! My score break down was RC -12, LR -12, LG -0. I feel like RC being the first section threw me off because I didn't do any warm-ups before taking the PT, but during BR, I was able to bring my RC down to -1 and LR down to -6. Should I just keep reviewing and taking PTs until test day?

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When I first started out studying last year, I wasn't notating at all and I was only missing -2, -3 on a section. I was reading a lot of books before then, so I think I was able to intuitively connect paragraphs and recall the most significant pieces of information.

But as I got further into my studying and began notating based off the curriculum and part of Nicole's presentation, I noticed an immediate drop in my scores. This was right after I began notating. I continued with this method until today, when I got a -9 on a timed RC and -3 on BR. Right after that I drilled a new section with no notes at all and got -4 timed.

Notating just slowed down my read, clouded my interpretation and bogged me down in details rather than reading at a consistent pace with no breaks for underlining, circling, and writing down details on the side. This all slowed me down and caused me to break in the middle of sentences, in between sentences and in between paragraphs. Not only did it slow down my read, I wasn't able to fluidly read a passage and ascertain the content or the main purpose or structure.

Breaking at the end of the passage to solidify your understanding is helpful and writing that down might help sometimes, but maybe for some people notating just isn't a good idea. You might have to return to the passage a bit more, but the time saved during the read more than makes up for it.

If any of you have similar problems, don't feel bad about not notating because I guess it just doesn't work for some people.

Onward and upward.

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I've been really struggling with LR timing. I watched the webinar here (https://classic.7sage.com/webinar/timing-and-levels-of-certainty/), in which they suggested not spending more than 3 minutes or so on a question because there's a better chance you'll just get it wrong. But other people have suggested 'giving the question the time it needs,' not being afraid to invest 3 minutes into a question rather than rushing and getting it wrong.

Then, there's the '10 in 10' or '15 in 15' idea where you push to finish questions in a given amount of time.

I've only been getting through 17-20 questions per LR, getting 2-3 of those wrong, plus the ones I don't get to for a total of 6-9 questions wrong per LR for the past few months with no change. I'd really appreciate any thoughts people have on this and how to manage the ideas of investing time required and skipping when appropriate.

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Hi All,

I have finished up my LSAT studying and am seeking advice. I understand you aren't allowed to sell LSAT PDFs, but are you allowed to sell booklets? I have purchased about 15-20 LSATs from Amazon and am wondering if they have any value or if I should throw them out.

Thanks!

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