Hi guys! I am slightly new to 7sage, in the sense that I still working through the CC. I have been pretty silent when it comes to posting, but a total sponge to everyone else's. I am struggling a bit, and I feel like this is the best place for some much needed advice. Long story short: I am preparing for the Dec test with a 3.0 undergrad GPA, so I know have to literally give this prep my all and have been for the last month. But I am feeling really off track in terms of my focus and overwhelmed at the density of material I am trying not only learn, but master. I work full time and carve out most of study time around work (4 hrs/day )or if I can get in some time in the office I try to as well. I know it's early on in my road to taking this test, but do you guys have any pointers for encouragement during the studying process to avoid being bogged down with the thoughts "This is soo much stuff" and the stress of it. I feel like its starting to take away from my focus at this point... P.S. Sorry if that seems all over the place lol

Any word on when the explanations for PT80 will be released?

So I just got rejected from my first choice law school in Canada today (3rd rejection so far, sadly).

Disappointed but I have no time for negativity...gotta think of waitlist strategies!

I am currently on the waitlist at one university and being considered for the waitlist at another.

I wanted to ask if anyone has any advice on waitlist strategies:

I have visited both campuses and already sent a LOCI to the one in which I am being considered and am currently writing another LOCI to send to the other school.

Is this pretty much the only strategy going forward?

I am also scheduled to write the June LSAT but both schools do not consider that.

I would appreciate any input.

Thanks in advance.

Hey everyone I had a question regarding doing the problem sets after each section of the CC. Do you print them out and answer them and then come back and BR the questions?

I am having a hard time understanding this section of the lesson and am hoping some folks can weigh in on it. I think I'm a bit lost because there is little context on when I would be using these tools and how. Also, I am unsure exactly what to memorize. Should I be memorizing both the valid and invalid diagrams and be prepared to use them in future lessons? Also could someone explain exactly which types of questions these will be useful for? Thanks in advance. :)

Hey 7sagers!

My BR scores are in the mid-high 170s (woohoo!), but my actual scores have been stuck in the mid-160s for a while now. I know the BR gap is a common problem, and I've seen a lot of people advocating to drill and BR, especially for LR. As the June test approaches, I'm wondering what kind of drilling would be best to raise my score at this point. For example, should I be drilling individual question types (untimed)? Timed sections to work on speed? Something else entirely?

For those of you who have successfully made the leap from the 160s to the 170s - what types of things/aspects of LR questions did you specifically focus on learning during your review? For example, were you focused on argument structures? Your skills that led you astray? Specific vocab? Characteristics of wrong answers? Perhaps I've been focusing on the wrong things during my review and not improving as a result.

A few strange things I've noticed about my scores-

TIA for all your help! Happy studying!

Does anyone have any strategies for answering parallel reasoning/flaw questions more quickly? These questions consistently take, in my opinion, far more time than they should for me.

My method has been:

Does anyone else have any useful strategies?

The main issue for me seems to be how time consuming these questions can be. In the explanation videos, there is the luxury of answering a question in 8 or more minutes, but on the exam this amount of time is obviously not feasible.

Thanks!

Hi guys,

I just got the Superprep II in the mail today and it accompanied a paper listing the few errors that are throughout the book. Anyone with this book that did not receive the paper containing the errors? Let me know I'll post an image or something.

Hey everyone I am considering upgrading from the starter package to something else as I have finished the CC and did all the problem sets. I don't know how else to practice certain question types so I am considering upgrading my account. Any experiences anyone has had with the upgraded version and is is worth it ? Thank you and good luck everyone :)

Hello,

I am a relatively new 7sager.

I am interested in finding some private tutoring a la the 7sage approved tutor list.

My question is where can I find a relevant list? It seems the most recent list of sages is over a year old. Did I miss something? Are there now longer 7sage tutors like in previous years?

If anyone knows or can point me in the direction of a tutor I would be most appreciate.

Thanks and good luck to those taking the June LSAT,

Sean

Hey 7Sagers,

I've been studying for at least a year now But for some reason I have so much trouble trying to correctly answer Assumption, Sufficient Assumption and Necessary Assumption questions. I have gone over the curriculum and been utilizing negation tests, conditional logic, etc. But I am simply not improving. Does anyone have a certain method that works for them? Or am I doomed? :/ I have been scoring 16 questions on LR sections but that would be higher if I got more Assumption questions correct. Any thoughts?

Admin edit: Please don't yell! The admins scare easily. (Caps from title removed.)

Hi everyone,

When I started to study for the LSAT, I was originally planning on taking the June exam, but I wasn't making enough progress on LG and thought I would postpone to September. Even just 3 weeks ago, I was hitting -8 on LG. I don't know what happened, but I woke up one day and things started to "click" : now I am somehow managing -2 per section. I thought it was a fluke, so I PT-ed about 6 sections and they all average about -2-3.

Now I'm in a dilemma: I only have less than a month left till June but I've only taken 4 full, timed PTs (just here and there in between to evaluate progress.) I was saving PTs 40s up for later. (I've used maybe like 5 PTs past 40s to get myself acquainted with the more recent PTs).

**So my question is: should I start full, timed PTing NOW?**On the one hand, I am scoring only 2~3 points below my target score, and if I want to take the June exam, I guess now is the time to start taking the full, timed PTs. Perhaps, I can reach my target score by June by doing so.

On the other hand, I want to really take the time doing more drills. I am still incorporating some concepts and playing around with some strategies in LR and RC. I definitely know the concepts well, but I haven't mastered them. I don't want to move onto the full, timed PT until I feel extremely comfortable with each section. I recently bought the Manhattan Prep books and am finding them pretty helpful in mastering the concepts and strategies. I originally wanted to finish the books first before full-on PTing. I think I need at least a couple of more weeks to really incorporate the concepts.

I think I can score close to my minimum target score in June, but I don't think I would reach my full potential by then. Or who knows? Maybe I will after a full-month of PTing? It's really hard to predict how much I'd improve in a month. Should I take the risk?

I'd ideally wait till September, but given my sleep cycle and insomnia, June is a much better option for me.

Sleep cycle is brutally hard to change for me. Even if I practice sleeping at 10pm and waking up at 5~6am for 2 months, I sort of already know that I won't be able to fall asleep the night before the exam day. Exercise doesn't work. Melatonin doesn't either, and neither does Nyquil.

I'm a bit wary of waking up at 6am to take the 8:30am exam.

So hard to decide... Only if the September exam were also held at noon...

I've noticed that some of the LGs in the most recent PTs don't fall into the strict sequencing/grouping/grouping and sequencing categories. In several places on 7sage, users note that they found games from earlier PTs helpful in practicing for these nontraditional games. Can anyone recommend specific games from specific tests to practice?

thanks!

Hey everyone, I'm just posting here to see what people might think of my decision to postpone taking the LSAT until September. My goal is to test 170. My average is in the mid 160s but the only tests I've been able to score in the 170s have been retakes. Fresh tests are all in the 160s. :( I don't want to postpone because I feel emotionally ready but I think it's the wisest thing to do. The most annoying thing is how expensive it is!! And $100 to postpone vs 180 to just sign up again. I know that's not nothing but... fricken LSAC. Anyway, what do people think? To postpone or not to postpone?

Also, this is a related question to getting out of 160s plateau. I've seen on here that top scorers get through LR with like 10 minutes to spare. That's never happened to me and I'm not sure if my goal should be to just "work faster" (a mentality that, when I adopt, just makes me rush and be careless) or if I should continue to be cautious, to utilize POE unless I'm almost 100% sure of an answer, to give myself two read throughs if I don't understand a stimulus right off the bat as opposed to immediately skipping. Is there merit to a 'slow and steady wins the race' type of approach for top scorers in LR?

Did anyone take it after they'd seen major improvements (my diagnostic was a 153) but not quite reached their max? Any thoughts on LR strategy would also be appreciated.

Good luck to those who know they're ready for June! Jealous!

I am so confused by the video explanation on this one. At 1:27 the video says that an answer choice is "totally compatible to the statement above because they have nothing to do with each other"

===> WHAT??? Compatibility is not having anything to do with a subject? I can use some guidance. Thanks.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-38-section-4-question-25/

Hi Guys!

I hope anyone reading this is having a fine day. I guess I just wanted to make a post because I've been largely silent in the Discussion section. I'm taking the June LSAT and am feeling quite overwhelmed. Working full time at a stressful job and having a two-hour long commute takes a considerable chunk out of my day. I worry I acted too quickly by signing up for the June exam since I only started studying in mid-February.

I just took my first two PTs and scored158/159, my blind reviews 163/166. With the test a month away... does anyone think I'll be able to catch up to my blind review score? I guess I'm just looking for a bit of encouragement :)

Anyway, my apologies for sounding mopey. Let's end on a happy note. GOOD LUCK AND HAPPY STUDIES EVERYONE!!!

June will be the first time I'm taking it. I'm shooting for 155-160, but I'll be happy with 150. Been PTing around 144. Haven't even started studying for Logic Games, but I figured I'd do that now and in between then. But the window to postpone and switch is quickly closing. I'd rather have one good score, than 2 scores. Someone said it's better to not have all your eggs in one basket, like if I were to just do September, but I also don't want to go in and do poorly and it reflect badly on me, when I apply this fall.

What should I do?

Thank you

So I'm working on these question types and have found a pattern. When it is a Causation strengthen question, the answer choice becomes apparent very quickly to me. I am able to identify it, and explain why the rest are wrong with a decent amount of ease. Once the question stem changes to weaken however, I no longer can see the answer and missed all of them. J.Y. said in his explanation that these two types of questions are really the same when it comes down to identifying the answer choice. So what am I doing wrong?

Hello gamers,

I seem to always get stuck on sequencing games where one of the rules involves having "at least two spaces between X and Y". I get particularly stuck when there's a switch on top so it can either be X _ _ Y or Y _ _ X. Furthermore, sometimes I skip over the "at least" part, which ensures other issues... I know this uses the same concepts as all other games, but for some reason this kind of rule always takes me longer to get my head around. Does anyone else have this issue?

As for improving time, anyone know of certain games with this quality? I want to do as many as possible so I can get more comfortable.

Thanks!

Sophia

Currently studying for the September 2017, it is useful to practice the logical Reasoning, Logic Games and Reading Comp. questions from PrepTest 1-20...

Good morning 7sage,

Background/Additional Info

I've been lurking/slowly posting more the last week or two. I came up with a plan for my retake attempt in December or February (depending on which date my job approves the time off request for). Background: I sat for the Feb 2017 test, wrote a 156, PT average for the month going into it was a 160, BR scores were 168-170. I know, I should have postponed. My goal score is a 160+. I'm going to have an unpredictable cycle, and I'm striving to get my LSAT score as high above the 75ths for my target schools as possible . Unpredictable since I'll be a splitter, my max LSAC GPA is 2.9-3.0, military musician (there are no more than 18 people with my specific job in my branch of service), had academic issues in the past (an academic probation and academic suspension 10+ years before I'll be applying to school), upward trend in GPA (current school/degree GPA is 3.52 and rising). For my two target/goal schools, my anticipated LSAC GPA is .15 to .25 below their 25ths, my current LSAT score is right at their medians. Safety schools-I'm at/above their medians and/or 75ths already. Reach/Dream School: GPA is .5 below their 25th and LSAT is 14 points below their 75th-I'd need to get a 172+ to have even a remote chance (so, it is closer to a hail mary school). I'll be applying to start in the Fall 2019 school year, so I still have some time. My work schedule is hectic over the summer/warm months, and then in cooler months-it can be a bit busy but I get decent comp time for it. I'm also a full time student.

My overall goal for the retake is to write a 160+ to provide a greater chance of acceptance to my target schools. I'll be going to school via the GI Bill and Yellow Ribbon Program, so unless if I can talk the school into changing any potential scholarship to a non-tuition (e.g. living expense or general) scholarship, the difference between admission with scholarship and admission without scholarship does not matter much to me (GI Bill is last payer, so whatever tuition scholarship I receive would reduce the amount GI Bill pays to match it until tuition is covered). Using LSN and a few other sites, it looks like as it stands, I have solid chances of admission at my target schools now. I'm mostly concerned about my past academic issues being enough of a red flag to ADCOMs that I need to be above their 75ths to alleviate those issues.

Time per day/week for LSAT Prep and Course work

Week Days when I'm not on tour, I have 4-4.5 per day (90mins in the morning, half of my 2hr lunch break, 2-3hrs each night after work).

Week Days when I am on tour, it varies dramatically from 3hrs to 6hrs.

Week Ends when I'm not on tour, are typically free/wide open.

Week ends when I am on tour, vary quite a bit.

Course work tends to need 4 hours per class per week to get A's.

I am single, no family/relationship commitments, and get 99.9999% of my social needs met by my job. So, I'm not concerned about having time to go out/party. I hit the gun range once a week or every other week and workout 2-3 times per week for around 90mins total time commitment per workout (or trip to the range).

So, finally, my plan.

Step 1: Redo the entire Core Curriculum.

Step 1a (done concurrently with Core Curriculum): Fool proof every logic game I can get my hands on.

Step 2: Take PT's and BR each.

Step 2a: Drill question types based off of PT and BR scores.

Step 2b: Use supplemental materials to aid in weak areas (I have LSAT Trainer, PS Bibles, Manhattan LR and RC)

Once I reach the PT point, the plan is to simulate test day conditions as close as possible with a few different locations: the lounge at my job site and local library with the test starting at 0900 on a Saturday. For week day PT's, I'm thinking they would be on Tuesday and potentially Thursday, but I'd rather focus on quality over quantity. I used the odd PT's from the 70's and PT 80 for the final month of my previous prep. I'm AOK with buying additional PT's beyond what I currently have (I think I own all of the ones currently released, but not all of them are clean copies).

Sample Week Day Plan for Non-Tour Week

0600-0730: Fool Proof LG

Work Block

1100-1200ish Course Work

Work Block

430PM-530PM: CC session 1

530PM-615PM: Dinner

615PM-715PM: CC Session 2

715PM-815PM: CC session 3

Sample Saturday Plan for Non-Tour Week BEFORE starting PT's

0830-0930: Fool Proof LG

0930-1030: Relax/Eat Breakfast

1030-noon: CC session1

noon-3PM: Relax, errands, chores, lunch

3PM-430PM: CC session 2

430PM-530PM: Relax, Dinner

530PM-7PM: CC session 3

730PM--830PM: Fool Proof LG

To avoid burn out, the only LSAT studying on Mondays would be fool proofing LG in the morning, the lunch time and evening sessions would be used for course work and/or gym or range time. Fridays I would cut the last two CC session for relaxation, meditation, or gym. I'd rather not hit burnout as many times leading up to this attempt.

Questions I have

Is it okay to start fool proofing games before completing the core curriculum?

When I'm on tour (typically a week at a time, once or twice per month from May-July/August), time is a premium, so I'm thinking I'll use those weeks as mini-LG intensives where I drop the CC time and only Fool Proof games, does that make sense to others?

Does the structure of the plan make sense?

Last break before the LSAT!

Breaktime

The next PT for Thursday and Saturday will be PT 80, so that you have time to take it and be prepared before JY's PT 80 review. Check the calendar for more updates and keep an eye out for JY's review.

The Full Schedule

And if you’d like to see the full schedule for upcoming sessions, here it is:

https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=il5ia3a4dmghh6lku7b0lh0ed0%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/New_York

Note about PT Review:

Hi Everyone,

Last session was great. Thanks to everyone who showed up. We made RC fun!. : )

So last time we focused on low resolution-high resolution summary and how to read and comprehend RC passages effectively. This time, in addition to practicing this method, we are going to do one A-B passage. There is a different way to do such passages which makes these kinds of passages a piece of cake and I think it would be helpful to show and practice this method.

Since A-B passages don't start till later PT's, we would be practicing on one of the recent tests, PT 65. But I think even if some of you havn't done any of the recent PT's, it would be helpful to use one of them to understand how to do these kind of passages. There are 86 PT's to practice, using one for learning LSAT will be a good call.

If any one of you does not want to Burn PT 65, you are welcome to take it on your own. But lets Blind Review Passage 3 together.

If you do not have time to take it, that's fine as well. We will go over the passage together.

Let me know what you guys think.

P.S. Does this time work better for some of you who couldn't make it last time?

To join the meeting, just follow the link below at the meeting time. I'll see you all there (3.(/strong)

Sami's RC Tutoring- AB Passage

Sun, May 14, 2017 6:30 PM - 8:30 PM EDT

Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone.

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Yay!

Hey guys so I registered for the September lsat and I am having a difficult time figuring out what i should be doing next. I'm considering purchasing the ultimate package to get access to the more difficult questions, so any recommendations regarding that? Also I don't feel that I am improving on logical reasoning at all. I went through the course curriculum already and I'm lost as to what needs to be done next. Please any advice would be great. Good luck to everyone!