I need your help reasoning through taking the June or October test.

I am 30 y/o working professional with a masters degree looking to make a career change. I've been seriously planning to go to law school for 3 years now. I started with the PowerScore books in 2013 and those did not work for me. Then I had an intense job and had to prioritize that. Then in fall of 2015 I took an intensive in-person prep class but I got behind because of my 60+ week work schedule at the time and didn't finish the class. I found 7Sage in September and I've been committed to studying since late November. I love it because it's on my own schedule. Also it's been the first prep material I've done that actually makes sense.

I would like to apply by November 15th/December 1 to law school at the latest.

I have about 100 more hours of core curriculum to finish. I was originally planning on the June test but with my schedule it might be tough, maybe not, I don't know. At the most I can find 12-15 hours per week to study (on a good week) and about 4-8 hours on a crazy week.

What are your thoughts? Target October? Is it too late for the application timeline I've set out? Will I still be a competitive applicant? Or take June and October?

Thanks!

Hi,

My recommendar asked me to email the transcript too.

I have never been asked to give a transcript to a professor, so not sure this is common.

Did you show your transcript to your recommenders?

Thank you.

Hey guys,

I have read here that most people consider taking a PT everyday generally a negative thing for LSAT preparation. Is the reasoning behind it just due to fatigue or are there other reasons?

Am asking cause my plan was to taking a PT each day this week to just get more comfortable with the exam (haven't taken a lot of PT's yet).

Over the past three months, I completed the 7sage course and the Powerscore LG Bible. I took my first post study practice test and scored a 162 and -5, -5, -6, -6 on my four sections so there is no glaring weakness in a particular section for me.

I am planning to take 20 practice tests before the June 2017 LSAT and I am aiming for a 167+.

Is this a reasonable expectation?

How big of a score increase do people usually see after taking lots of timed PTs?

THANKS!

So. I've been in the LSAT/Law School admissions process for a while.

But something happened that I've never seen before today.

A friend of mine applied to a T20 law school.

He/She has solid softs, great life story, and her/his numbers put her squarely in the medians for the school.

He/She has one more LSAT take left and was training hard for her/his take in February.

My friend received this message from the school:

" Hello (Name),

Thank you for your email. If you would like your file complete now, you will need to cancel your February 2017 test registration and email a confirmation of the cancellation. Feel free to contact our office if you need additional assistance.

Best regards,

(admissions person) "

Is this normal??????

It seems like some type of garbage way to yield protect.

Would love some insight on this.

Hi, I am having a hard time differentiating between a cause and effect and a conditional statement. Would anyone have tips or tricks?

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In the Powerscore logical reasoning bible (under conditional reasoning) there is a statement saying "No robot can think." They say that the diagram is R ---> /T (if an entity is a robot, then it cannot think). Im just confused as to how being a robot is the sufficient condition, and in general how they got this diagram. Im also getting confused on how they describe these relationships.

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For those of you taking the upcoming June administration of the LSAT or thinking ahead to future administrations, we'd like to share a few best practices/pro-tips to help ensure that you're in top shape heading into the exam. We've included some guidance for the week leading up to the exam as well as for Game Day itself.

Right up front, we'd like to say that you're not going to learn anything new the week before the exam. The hay is in the barn. You've already done the work that will carry you into the exam. Don't cram PT's; at most, do a few sections to keep your mechanics sharp. You need to make sure that you're fresh and in the right mindset for Game Day.

1) Between today and Sunday, go to bed and wake up at the same time every day (and this should be the same time you'll need to wake up for the June exam). Waking up ~3 hours before the earliest time you're likely to start the test (as soon as 30 minutes after the show-up time) will help ensure that your cortisol levels are up and that you're fully awake. Waking up at this time during this week and Monday June 6th helps to ensure that you'll be tired enough to go to bed Sunday night. Also, no screens/blue light after 10pm. This will help ensure that you're not artificially stimulating cortisol (waking yourself up) before bed.

2) Pre-hydrate. Drink a 3-4 liters of water every day of the week before the test. It's really not that big of a deal to drink that much water, and doing so will ensure that you are well hydrated the morning of without having to drink much (if any) liquid.

3) Practice your game day routine at least twice. This means wake up at the time you'll wake up on Monday, eat the exact same breakfast/lunch you plan for game day. Keep track of what you eat and drink and when you do it. Track your hunger, thirst, and bathroom need levels (just like in The Sims). Pro-tip: if you need to go at 2PM, there's a very strong likelihood that if you follow the same plan/timing, you will need to go in the middle of a section. Which is what we want to avoid.

4) Day of, general: Don't do anything differently from your dress rehearsals. No magic pills. No extra coffee. No tricks. No surprises. Perhaps get to the test center early and just go for a walk around the grounds if feasible. You might see some very nervous folks in crisis mode. Disregard. You are not them.

5) Day of, warm up: Whatever you do, don't score anything. And don't do any new material. Maybe take a handful of LR Q's, maybe one easy game, maybe one easy RC. Just chill out about it. You're just warming up your mechanics.

6) Day of, during the break: People will try to talk to you because they are nervous or want reassurance. You are not there to be anyone's friend. You are not there to be anyone's therapist or life coach. However you put up your personal "Do Not Disturb" status—just don't let anyone throw you off your game.

Hi everyone,

After joining the last webinar I realized that I am not the only one who is studying with repeated preptests which that was a relief. I'm planning to write in June but if need be I can write it at a later time. Right now I'm using old preptests and use 1-15 tests as my experimental section. I have only 4 new tests (all recent ones) and I'm keeping them to write in March, April and May. I extensively BR each section. I know my scores are inflated and I know I remember at least 4-5 questions (mostly from LR). Sometimes I write the test in 33-32 minutes, and other times I give myself a penalty for those questions I remember(spending more time for the questions as if I was BR ing them). I'm keeping track of my scores and I'm having an upward trend.

I started studying from September but not knowing where I'm sitting right now at this point is discouraging and is anything but motivating. Sometimes I wonder what if I'm not improving or if all these efforts are futile!. For those of you who practiced with old materials how did you cope with the mental and emotional exhaustion of it?

Thank you so much:)

I'm prior service and had two of my army psychiatrists write me a letter to send to the LSAT people asking for extra time due to my ptsd and the fact that i have minor ADHD take ritalin and propranolol for tests,how are they with giving extra time? is it a difficult process? anyone think i have a chance?

This is a two part question in reference to the embedded conditionals video.

https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/mastery-embedded-conditional/

Part 1:

Put the following sentence into Logic and contrapose it:

If the seeds are planted in the winter, then flowers will not blossom unless fertilizer is applied.

SPW --> (~FA-->~FB )

which more clearly is:

SPW and ~FA --> ~FB

contrapositive:

FB --> ~SPW or FA

Part 2:

Down in the comments someone asked:

What if the parenthesis are around the 1st and 2nd elements? ie. [A -> B] -> C.

JY responded with:

Original: (A–>B ) –> C

Contraposed: /C –> /(A–>B )

Group 3: /C –> /(/A or B )

De Morgan’s: /C –> (A and /B )

Simplified: /C –> A, /C –> /B

Or alternatively, we could have applied

Group 3 translation rule first: (/A or B ) –> C

Simplified: /A –> C, B –> C

Where did the Group 3 come from????

I got lost in his explanation there.

Can someone answer that question or maybe explain it in a different way. I feel like it's very obvious, I'm just not seeing it right now.

Thank you!

I went through the RC in the 70's to try to glean some more information and feel more comfortable going into the sections. Nothing super profound, but I was at least able to categorize them by their most common types. Feel free to add any other common structures that you find!

Straight/Regular Passages:

Comparative Passages:

Passage A:

Passage B:

Which LG are the most relevant nowadays? I read somewhere that if I have limited time to prep, then 50 - 79 would be best to master. Should I include even before 50, or perhaps even after 50?

Hello! So I'm fool proofing the LG bundles now, at first I was doing like 6-7 new per day. Now I'm finding that by the 3-4 new LG/day it's a mental drain & I didn't take into consideration the repeats. Does anyone have a good number of LG/daily that's realistic for daily routine while keeping up with RC & LR. I'm trying to finish them within 2 months. Any feedback will be really helpful :-)

Logic games used to be like another language to me but it has gotten to be my best section as of now. However, when the clock is ticking, everything i know about LG seems to go out the window. When I BR my test (during untimed conditions of corse), all the inferences that i should have made under timed conditions come to me almost instantly. Its extremely frustrating that I can do them but the pressure of time prevents me from performing to my full capability. I imagine it is because one can reasonably anticipate what the RC and LR will entail but with LG they can really throw anything at you. Does anyone else have this issue? Any tips or advice would be appreciated. I really want to get LG down pat as i'm taking the lsat next week (Feb 4th). Freezing up on LG is dramatically bringing my score down from what it can be even though I feel most prepared for it.

Greetings fellow 7Sages :)

Since questions in each LR/RC section get harder, and since I start to feel mentally fatigued once I reach questions 18-onward, I was thinking of starting each LR/RC (and maybe even LG) section from the last question and working back to the first.

Has anyone tried this? Any input or advice would be much appreciated! (Sorry if this topic has already been covered).

So what are your thoughts? Have I really set myself back for getting from my official 159 to a 165 retake by using so many PTs?

Well! I have to say that I was pretty happy with my independent improvement from first PT (146) in August to official LSAT (159) in December. However, towards the end I was scoring mostly low160s and even a 165 so I really believe I am capable of a 163+ score. The fact that RC is my strongest section and that I studied without a proper curriculum to this point only strengthen my belief.

But now I am in, what feels like, an unideal position: I've drilled with or taken almost every PT from 52 through 75.

In the opening lessons of 7Sage core curriculum, JY says burning through PTs like that can do "irreparable damage". That language scares the crap out of me! I know that there are PLENTY of questions in those PTs which I have not yet mastered and there are lots of test taking strategies which I've yet to master as well, but I can't help but feel that having used so many PTs will only add to the difficulty of improving my score.

Anyone willing to review and provide feedback to my personal statement?

Hey 7Sagers,

Little background: After going through entire Powerscore (Bibles) curriculum, i recently started 7 Sage. Initially, i was confused regarding how fast i should go through the core curriculum (CC) on 7Sage. Mentors here unanimously advised me to go through entire CC and ensure that i absorb all the content taught in CC.

I want to ask the community what are the best practices / Strategies that they have applied when in CC phase of their LSAT prep? Could you please expand on how much note taking you did? And what did you do to reinforce the important concepts? Feel free to elaborate on any other important point in terms of going through CC.

Can a highs corer share his or her views on this?

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Hi all,

Just to give you an idea of where I stand, I applied to almost all of the T14s, as well as a few schools ranked 17-25. My stats aren't that great, but I am a nontraditional student with a very interesting life story, as well as an underrepresented minority. One of my friends told me that, because of this, I would actually have a better shot of getting into a higher ranked school because they don't need to be as worried about preserving their numbers. I didn't believe her until I very recently got my first acceptance.

So far I have been accepted into Columbia (4), waitlisted from Cornell and Georgetown (13 and 14) and rejected from Berk, Emory, and GW (8, 22, and 25). I haven't received anything about scholarships from Columbia, so I don't know how much money (if any) they are going to offer me.

From what I have heard, you can negotiate with a given law school based off of what another law school offers you. In light of this, I am hoping that I get into a lower T14 school (like Duke or Northwestern) and use Columbia as leverage. I would love someone's opinion on how feasible that would be, as well as how the process actually works.

Thanks in advance!!

This is probably a silly question, but I'm wondering if we're supposed to do anything after receiving our acceptance letters/emails. I've heard from a few schools (sent a quick LOCI to the one that I was waitlisted to...more like an email). However, should I return emails to the schools that I have been admitted to?

Oh, and I got a decent scholarship offer to a T40 school, but no offer from the TT school I was accepted to. I've heard of applicants being offered a scholarship after showing that they received one from other schools. How do applicants go about this?

Let me edit this post because I don't want him to see it just in case.

Thanks again, everyone :)