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Wednesday, Dec. 9th at 8PM ET: Active Reading with @c.janson35

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I need help with this question

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@"J.Y. Ping"

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3. Do not post LSAT questions, any copyrighted content, or links to content that infringe on copyright. Not a good way to take the first few steps down a long road that is your legal career.

I crossed off E because it was making a recommendation while the conclusion says "Nonetheless, federal expenditures for nationwide soil conservation programs have remained at ridiculously low levels" which is just saying their spending is low. So with main conclusions the answer can be something it implies as well because I thought it had to paraphrase the conclusion. I choose D stupidly after which simply restates the premise.

I was admitted to Harvard today. Just wanted to thank 7Sage for the wonderful work they're doing here! I come from a working class family and would not have been able to afford LSAT prep, much less one as great as this, without 7Sage.

To my fellow 7Sagers: Hard work pays off. Keep studying!

Cheers!

To those who offered advice, I thank you. Pacifico, I will be contact you soon. Thanks.

So LG3 rocked me, and I don't feel good about LG4 either. Usually my LG is near perfect. I'm talking -2 for an oversight and a rule substitution question. However, I think I did very well on RC, which I usually bomb on. LR neutral.

Benefits and drawbacks of a Feb retake? NEED a 160 for all of the schools I care to attend, and even if there is a healthy curve, I'm not sure I'll score in that range.

Anyone else in a similar boat? Need to vent? Need to retake? Not sure if I should be planning on waiting two more months before I can send apps. Might really hurt me. SO LOST.

I took the LSAT back in Feb. and I got a 138. Yea that score isn't getting me to any law school. So I just took the Dec one after I took a prep course. I am applying to 24+ schools and I already have majority of the applications finished. I am just waiting for the score now. I heard you can submit your app. before you get score...? But how do I do that without them saying "oh we're going to take the feb score?" Or should I just wait til I get my score?

You know the Lsat Grader tells you the respective percent of people who chose their answer from A to E, is this reflective of answers chosen by the actual test takers or just sage students? Thank you in advance!

I have been looking (in the discussions) for links to excel documents that other 7sagers might have made during their course of LSAT prep but haven't found any yet. Can anyone please share the excel sheets (or any other kind) that you made to track your study progress, each section progress, questions to be done, analysis of issues, foolproof method, PT analysis...hope you get the gist. It would save a lot of time. Plus it would help to see if there is something missing from my list. Thank you.

"Without strength or endurance, the fight is all but lost."

This is #5 on the quiz on complex conditional translations to lawgic.

We are to translate this into lawgic and write the contrapositive.

So I figured for statements containing “unless, without, until” we are to negate sufficient and leave the necessary alone.

Following that formula- I got

~L—> S or E (if the fight was not lost, there was either strength or endurance)

~S and ~E—> L (if there was neither strength nor endurance, the fight was lost)

But according to the answer, the correct translations are as follows,

~S or ~E—> L ~S—> L ~E—> L

~L—> S and E

The “or”s and “and”s are switched. What did I miss in translating this?

I understand the logic of A or B —> C

That is, either A or B will get you C, and clearly that’s what’s applied in the correct translation it seems.

Does the formula (the one pertaining to unless,without, until) not apply in this situation?

If so, why does it not? Does “without” have a different meaning here?

I began my studies early this April and took the Oct LSAT.

I decided to take another year to study for the June exam.

I finished the 7sage curriculum and I have exhausted all the PTs with the exception of 11-12 that I saved in case of retakes.

As suggested by Nicole Hopkins, I recently finished reading the LSAT Trainer (8week schedule).

Now that I am 6 months away from the exam, and have gone through both the core curriculum and the LSAT Trainer, what should my study plan look like?

Drill? Take as many PTs as possible ( mostly retakes)?

Thank you

When I do the SA quizzes, I do exceptionally well. Actually, I have gotten all of the problems correct. However, when it comes to actually doing the SA problems on the test, I have a hard time transcribing the majority of the SA problems.

Can someone please give me advice on how to overcome this.

Very frustrated!!!

Hey y'all—

As you know, I'm a big LSAT nerd. I love LSAT and I love LSATters. 7sage is a huge part of my life. Some of my most important contacts and favorite buddies have come through this forum. So, I'm looking for a way to give back ... and to give you what you want. Or rather, to ask you what you want, and then figure out a way to give it to you (or to find someone who can!).

To that end, I wanted to open up 7sage's own TRL (Total Request Live, for those of you who may have blocked out the glory that was Carson Daly from 1998-2008).

7sage Total Request Live

—What topics do you want to read about (in longer form)? Articles, opinion pieces, success stories ...

—Got ideas for infographics?

—Want pretty printable charts/cheat-sheets?

—Other categories not yet imagined??

Open season on requests/brainstorming. Rock me like a hurricane.

You can post your requests in the comments here, or feel free to PM me if you'd like to remain somewhat incognito :D

Hey,

Just getting into LG curriculum and wondering if everyone else started off extremely slow too? I find that I'm spending way too much time on certain questions with the obvious intention of improving my speed as I go along.

Does everyone start off this way? It's kind of discouraging, but the bright side is that I AM understanding what I'm learning, and with the additional time, I seem to come up with the right answer about 90-95% of the time. By the way, not talking about a whole lot of time - just a couple extra minutes per game than what would be expected on test day.

Thanks for the advice!

Take the statement (drawn from an actual stimulus) that says "the habit of volunteering cannot be said to have been fostered in a person who has not yet volunteered for anything" and put it into a conditional statement. Would it be if Habit of Volunteering then Volunteered? I try to see what is indicated as the necessary condition in translating into conditional language from statements without indicators. Is this a good idea? Are there other senses or intuitive skills you can use to translate complex sentences?

Thanks for waiting while the search service on the forums was offline for a serious upgrade. We finally got a new search engine ready, running, and hooked up to the discussion forums. So now searches should be much more useful than the old search! There may be some weirdness over the next few days, so please bear with us.

June Test Takers! We’ve got 6 months, so let’s make them count by getting our fundamentals down!

Here’s the schedule this week:

WORKSHOPS

Wednesday, Dec. 9th at 8PM ET: Active Reading with @c.janson35

Friday, Dec. 11th at 8PM ET: Blind Review with @nicole.hopkins

LSATurday, Dec. 12th at 8PM ET: Flaws/Assumptions with @blah170blah

NEW!!!!Saturday, Dec. 12th at 1PM ET: Necessary Assumption LR Questions with @"Quick Silver"

Fine Print (NOTE: you all want to be lawyers; reading fine print is what lawyers do, so READ IT!)

• We are NOT going to use Skype for these sessions.

Is this supposed to be there?? I assume yes?

Hey 7Sagers! Had a student email me with a question I thought you could help out on. Here it is:

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I have this confusion about "A OR B OR BOTH" rule that pertains in DEC 2000 Q.6-12 & DEC 2001 Q.1-6 game that I need you to clarify for me ASAP!

In DEC 2000 Q.6-12 game, rule #2 says: If Jays, Martin, or both are in the forest, then so are harriers.

So you (J.Y.) diagrammed it as:

But in DEC 2001 Q.1-6 game, for the rule # 4 (If the stand carries Watermelons, then it carries figs or tangerines or both), you explicitly warn that we can't diagram it as because the proper diagramming for that rule is W ----> F or T.

In other words, I can translate A or B -->C as

but I can't translate A --> B or C as

even though both conditional reasonings contain the word OR!

So my question is.......does OR function differently when it's put in necessary condition and sufficient condition?

Hey guys! If you're taking the February LSAT and your account is inconveniently set to expire a few days before the test date, just email me (dillon@7sage.com) and I'll extend your account (up to 14 days) for free through the February test.

For those of you who are expiring after, good luck on the LSAT! We here at 7Sage are rooting for you.

So I am doing terrible with RC, terrible, and I started trying the memory method. I don't usually finish all of the passage in time or all of the questions. Should I review the passages after---since the goal of the method seems to be improving speed and short term memory -and I have a long way to go I'm wondering if I might be better off to not review after and just keep trying to work on speed and memory...what do you think/recommend?

@Pacifico

I tried to tag you in my comment on pt 20 s4 q22, but I'm not sure if it worked because your name wasn't highlighted like it is in this comment box. Please let me know if you received my original tag. Thanks for your help in advance!

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-20-section-4-question-22/

Hi,

So I'm waiting for my LSAT results like everyone else, and I'm wondering what to be doing about my apps in the meantime. Depending on my December score, I will either apply this cycle or wait this one out.

Is it okay if my professors submit their LORs this month, and I just apply with these same LORs next year? Or would I have to ask them again next year to submit another one if I don't apply this cycle?

I don't know if my question makes sense but basically I don't know how to respond to my Professors' questions because I don't know for sure what I'm doing yet.

Why are my questions not being answered? People who posted later than me seem to get a response first, and this has happened to me on several occasions. What's going on?

I was just wondering how I can automatically pick up on when a flaw question is really a necessary assumption question in disguise. Do arguments with the question stem "this argument is flawed because it takes for granted that" often contain a NA element? Help!

Hi all, to make this brief...I am considering canceling my score for a few reasons.

1. The schools I want to go to, and the scholarship money are the primary concern for choosing to go to law school. It's a must that I maximize both.

2. I was sick with mono, then the flu, and then a string of migraines. So I lost 2-3 weeks of studying right before the exam.

3. The night of the exam, I couldn't sleep and got a total of 5 hours of quality sleep. My brain felt foggy and not fresh at all.

4. Even if I cancel and write Feb, I will still make the deadline for 3 of the schools I would want to attend. If I do better than expected, I could always apply in the next wave with better prospects for both schools and scholarships.

and finally.. I was PTing around 170s, but after Preptest in the 70s my score dropped down to 163.

What do you guys think?

(Also posted this on reddit)