Hi guys! I'm wondering what your opinions are about the relative difficulty of the PTs in the 70s range compared to basically everything that came before them (PTs 30 and up). I've found that especially in the LR sections, the questions are SUPER nitpicky and rely on you finding very subtle nuances in the stimulus, which is difficult to do under the pressure of the clock. Also, many LR questions seem to have needlessly wordy structures and are confusingly phrased. It's making me nervous for the October test, especially since I feel that only tests 70-75 are exact indicators of what will be on the October test, and that's a limiting amount of study materials. June administration ruined my life. :(

Does anyone else feel like the recent tests got harder/different?

Very confused on this reasoning question. Can anyone help explain?

@yinyinxu Medical studies indicate that the metabolic rates of professional athletes ar substantially greater than those of the average person. So, most likely, a person's speed and strength are primarily determined by that person's metabolic rate.

Which one of the following, if true, most strengthens the argument?

A. Some of the athletes are either faster or stronger than the average person

B. Some professional athletes do not have higher metabolic rate than some of the average ppl

C. The speed and the strength of ppl who are not professional athletes are not primarily determined by choice of diet and exercise

D. Intensive training such as that engaged in by professional athletes causes an increase in metabolic rate

E. Drugs that surprises metabolic rate have been shown to have the side effect of diminishing the speed and strength of those who are not professional athlete

Admin note: This is a fake question, so take it as you will.

Hi guys,

I recently just finished my undergrad dual major degree at the end of July. I was the Director of Student Legal Services at our university and am now planning to attend law school. However, with work and summer classes I was not able to dedicate as much time to studying for the LSAT as I should have and now I am weary about taking the test in October. Are there any HUGE reasons why I should NOT take the test in December?

Thanks guys

Does anyone know if Mike Kim included anything substantially new and useful in the 2015 version of the LSAT Trainer? I have the older version (Black and teal cover with the orange fishy) and am currently giving it a 2nd read-through.

Hi guys!

Just a brief comment on the "trends" page of the score tracker.

You recently changed the score tracker so that instead of showing a wide range of scores and graphing your scores within that, it shows your maximum and minimum score as the maxima and minima on that page, and then graphs all other scores within that range.

I don't like this change at all. The reason for this is that it creates an artificial level of volatility in your scores. So, for example, when I graph my last 15 or so scores, the maxima and minima are 173/179. Therefore, with that limit on the graph, a score even decreasing from 178 to 177 (much less 179 to 175) looks like a huge leap, and honestly makes me feel a little bit anxious when I am looking at the page.

A much better way to show the graph would be how you had it before. If you don't like that (which I understand, given that it can be near-impossible to show slight variations in scores) a better way to do it is make the range based on your maximum score+10 (up to 180) and your minimum score-10 (down to whatever the minimum LSAT score is -- 120?).

Otherwise, I feel like it is very easy to lose perspective when you see an "abrupt decline" on the graph from whatever to whatever, which is easy when your range is within only 6 points.

Hello sagers.

I have begun my journey of taking strictly-timed PTs and am currently working away at the BR (PT 41). I have some questions in which I would appreciate some insight on, regarding the BR process and, how I can become more efficient during the BR process in terms of time-management, proper strategy, and utilizing this time effectively so that improvements occur!

As stated, I just finished PT 41 and have been BR'ing for the past hour and a half. I am just finishing Section 1 (LR) of that test, and am wondering what the "right balance" of searching for the perfect answer (or getting every answer correct) and pushing through to complete the BR process in a more practical manor, with the context in mind that I am not at a very strong point in my understanding of the test. I have completed the majority of the curriculum, and have attempted at least 1 of the PS for each QT. I found I got bogged down in the curriculum at times and, in an effort to stay focused and positive, I moved on to the next section of the curriculum without completing every PS.

Even though I felt my timing has improved a little bit (compared to diagnostic and 2 other PTs I have taken) I recognize that my fundamentals are still not yet developed to the point where I understand exactly: what type of question I am attacking; what I am looking for in the right answer, and perhaps most importantly - why the other 4 answers choices are wrong. Essentially, the BR process so far, feels as if I am merely taking another PT (without the time restrictions obviously) where I am relying on a whole lot of intuition, and not really understanding what the question wants.

My plan is at this point, to complete my BR which seems will take more like 6 hours (seems a lot), and then really focus in on the video explanations tomorrow of the incorrect questions (there will be many). After about 5 PTs I was going to take a look back at the analytics, and really start focusing in on what questions (if not all) I can improve on more so than others, while also going back over the PS' of Logic Games provided in the curriculum that I have both completed, and have yet to complete.

To conclude, I ask if I am overdoing it with the BR at this process? Should I break it up into a 2 day review, instead of PT - break - BR/videos? I acknowledge that it is perhaps the most important part of the development process, so is there a better strategy I can use? I'm thinking of drilling question types every mourning, and reviewing the notes I have on different question types and how to attack them - do you think this would benefit my growth? I appreciate all the help and insight provided; please PM me if that works better. At the end of the day, I am not feeling like the BR is helping me grow, and would love to hear about how I can change that! Thanks everybody.

So I'll start by prefacing that I've really been drilling LG hardcore for only the past 3 weeks or so, so not exactly a great deal of time. I followed @Pacifico guide, here's the link for the curious http://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/2737/logic-games-attack-strategy and I am definitely seeing an improvement. Granted, I'm going from possibly finishing a game and a half, to at least getting to the fourth, but I'm still having so much difficulty up front. I'm at PT 29 and hope to hit the 60's later this month. My biggest struggle right now is time (surprise). I almost always freeze for almost 8 minutes on any given game figuring out the board, trying to split the board, or figuring out whether the game is rule driven, before finally getting fed up and hitting the questions. Afterwards, I find myself hitting the questions and then by the second or third question the light bulb will turn on while I'm brute forcing my way through and I'll realize the stupid inference I missed and then I'll breeze through the rest. However, those initial wasted minutes are killing me and putting me into panic mode before I barely finish the first game. At this point, I've rarely needed to come back and check out JY's video because I'll realize the inference or issue mid game, but by the time I figure it out, the damage is essentially already done. I was really hoping that by the time I started getting into the post PT 36 games that I'd have a more solid foundation to comfortably move on to the more modern games and not waste any that I could use for full PT. I can't tell at this point if I'm actually improving significantly from when I started drilling LG through this process, or whether it's because I'm starting to hit the modern games. Anyone have any thoughts/advice?

A non-standard post because #vacation .

Message me on Skype (nikkers625) if you want to join! Was scheduled for 7pm ET but looks like it'll be 8pm ET.

Hello,

I am interested in applying to American law schools. However, I was wondering if T14 schools look primarily at your cGPA, or if they/if any of them look at your primarily your last two years of study.

Thanks!

I can't seem to get a grasp on necessary and sufficient assumption. It is consistently the worse category for me. I re-read and studied all the sections, paying close attention to assumption, but no change. I tried doing a test untimed, and yet again, assumption was the worst. I can do logic games and reading comprehension just fine, I just always get between 20-30 out of 50 in logical reasoning. What should I do?

Hi all,

I recently started 7sage with my main focus being on games--I did do the conditional lessons and a few other previous lessons and am now working a ton of sequencing problems. When should I move on to "sequencing with a twist?" after I can pick up any random new game I haven't seen and can do it perfectly and in time? Or after I am substantially faster and better (though not perfect and on exactly time) on sequencing? How many questions would you go through with the practice-make copies-review-process before moving to the next games lesson? I'm worried I'll just be practicing some games forever without learning new techniques ever...studying for the October but most likely will change test date for December, but still want to be studying at a decent rate as if taking the october (in case a miracle happens and I decide I want to take it)

Any advice would be helpful. Thanks!

I enrolled 7sage ultimate course and learn a lot of efficient methods watching videos. But sometimes I found it very difficult to truly understand most of LR and RC problems in timed constraints.

So I bought a Trainer book and it arrived yesterday to get more personalized support . I would like to supplement my weakness especially in LR and RC after carefully reading it. I plan to take an exam in December, I want to decide the best available plan covering both 7sage and trainer. If you are using the above materials, what should I consider in order to get the most desirable outcomes?

I was looking at another forum and saw this hilarious post. Thought I'd share:

"This questions sucks. It makes me want to start a forest fire. How do you even go about breaking this down and then how do you justify D? I didn't like any of the choices. I see how the genetically malignant minds of LSAC rationalize D as the correct answer but it's a tough sell. I don't see how the argument hinges on this assumption and how I would even attack a similar question. Any insight would be much appreciated. IF I don't get an answer within 48 hours a tree will die . . . then another until I am appeased. I'm getting my Leatherface on."

I like how creative he/she was in said threats. I hope a tree didn't pay the price...

I'm currently signed up for the October test, and am looking to postpone to December.

Background: I started studying this April, and finished the Manhattan LSAT prep books for LR and RC, and bought the most expensive course for 7sage (before the PDF changes). I went through everything regarding LR in the 7sage curriculum, and went through LG PT 1-35 once (am currently in the process of going through it again until I ace all the LGs, like 7sage recommends). I didn't go through anything in the 7sage curriculum regarding RC or LG (I find LG getting to be easier with time, and am currently subscribed to the Economist).

I took two cold diags, and they ranged from 150-155. I took 5 PT's and scored between 160-164, with my BR scores from 162-168. I am missing on average 3 on LG (ranges from 2-4), 7 on LR (ranges from 4-9) and 6 on RC (ranges from 5 to 7). What could I possibly be doing wrong, and how could I improve within the next couple of weeks to break 170? I want to not take the test until I consistently score within the mid 170's. My GPA puts me in contention for HYS, and I would prefer not to settle (if anything, attend a t10 on a big scholly).

I also started studying part-time during April, but started to study on a full time basis starting from the end of June.

Any thoughts or help at all would be really appreciated, as I am currently discouraged and am wondering what I am doing wrong.

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-47-section-3-question-19/

When you encounter the word "contributes" on the LSAT, do you take this to be a "causation" word? For example, if I tell you that "high cholesterol contributes to heart disease". Would you say that high cholesterol is a cause of heart disease? I always have assumed so, but PT 47, S3, Q19 threw me off by equating "contributes" (which I thought implies causation) to "is associated with" (which I thought implies mere correlation).

The word "is associated with" was on the stimulus, and the word "contributes" was in the correct answer (C). I did not choose this answer because I thought that I would be making an assumption from correlation to causation by picking it.

Does anyone know when Ultimate+ is coming out? I'm planning on upgrading to Ultimate for the video explanations but if Ultimate+ is coming out anytime before the October LSAT I'd rather save my money to see how much it'll be. Does anyone have more information on Ultimate+ (price or time-wise)?

I would like to thank all the staff at 7Sage for not only helping me, but the rest of us. I would also like to thank the community for all of its help, with a special shoutout to @Pacifico who helped me a lot through PMs.

I don't have much time to write this, because I was admitted to the law school of my choice! I could not have achieved this without the help of 7Sage and the community. The only downside is, I was admitted 2 days before the semester started. The workload is hitting me like a brick wall! Classes are extremely interesting, and the readings are very interesting. The only difficult part is getting into rhythm, learning to outline, and stay 40-60 pages ahead of the assigned readings (recommended by the law professors.)

I hope all your studies are going well, and I hope to stay on this forum whenever time permits.

Even in hard times, whether it's studying for the LSAT or anything else in life, remember, the carousel never stops turning (kudos if you get the reference)!

Thank you, guys and gals!

I'm seriously considering upgrading to 7 Sage Ultimate in preparation for the 5 December LSAT, but it looks as if the latter half of the curriculum is ALL Prep Test work (which I like), how did you buy all of these prep tests and ensure you got the right versions? Next, some of the material seems like it requires "clean questions" (aka Logic Games), if you're practicing in the alloted space, wouldn't this require having multiple (up to 10!?) copies of the questions?? I know LASC offers the prep-tests, does anyone have a link other than Amazon to be sure we're getting the right ones for this course of study....

Still unsure of what the best approach is when doing these questions on a timed exam. The Trainer advocates using intuition while 7sage seems to encourage diagramming since these questions are very formulaic. When I get to these questions on a timed exam, I never know which approach is best. I'm always a bit nervous to diagram since I'm afraid it'll eat up too much time, however, I know that diagramming will lead to better accuracy. Please help!

I usually get -2 to -4 on LG but I feel at least a good 75% of these are from careless mistakes. They're often really easy questions, so as one can imagine, this is really frustrating. I'm not sure why I was so careless most of the time. Perhaps I relied too much on memory/instinct and didn't explicitly check the answer against each rule I diagrammed. Any tips or words of advice?

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-43-section-3-question-21/

I am not sure if this is the right place to post question. But the video explanation was missing something to me.

So you have

Spring Cleanup

|---------------------------------|---------------------------------|

Certificate

(-----------------------------------------------------------)

Not Active in the art circle (some but some can mean all as well)

(------------)

Now there may be some kind of implicit assumption that Spring cleanup too place at the same time as the art fair. And some people at the spring cleanup are not active in town's artistics circles. So the assumption here is that if you did not go to the art fair, then you are not active in the town's artistic circles. And if you are active in artistic circles, you did go to the art's fair. It is also (seems) to be assuming that art fair and spring cleanup are mutually exclusive. We aren't really sure.

The answer choice makes no sense, we actually know nothing about people who ARE ACTIVE in the art circles. Which makes D impossible as an answer choice. You simply cannot conclude NOTHING about it. It Could Be True, but this is a MUST be true question.

So, my LSAT story is that I basically started studying on and off last summer. I finally decided to commit to the October LSAT this year and got really serious about studying this summer. My original, cold diagnostic was a 155. I have used the LGB and self-studied. Panic soon set in, and I decided to sign up for a 7Sage course. I love it so far, but I just took the June '07 test and scored a 146 and a 149 on BR. So far in my 7Sage curriculum, I have been through general lessons like intro to arguments and grammar.

How lost of a cause am I? At this point I don't even know if law is for me if I can't even improve after studying. Do I just keep going through the 7Sage course?

Hey guys,

7Sage is undergoing maintenance and you may notice pages occasionally loading slowly. Since a lot of stuff is going on in the background, this will take a while to go through completely. This maintenance will take a few days.

I know that's potentially a long time, I'm sorry. It was either this or a day or two of downtime. :(

If you guys see anything funny during those ~72 hours, feel free to email me about it:

dillon@7sage.com

Here's a cool cat to make up for it:

Hi Everyone!

I am currently working on memorizing the valid argument forms and I was just wondering if there were any study methods yall used to help you memorize them aside from the curriculum. I have had a bit more trouble with this section than I have with others so any feedback or suggestions that may have helped yall master these concepts would be greatly appreciated!

Best,

Liz

The logical negation of "At least some rhinoceroses whose horns are periodically trimmed off will be able to attract mates," is "none of the rhinoceroses whose horns are periodically trimmed off will be able to attract mates." correct?