Thanks for the thoughts

Hello,

I just begun my 7sage course. It is awesome so far however can someone tell me where they have purchased PT's 36-52? I looked a 10 pack test from Cambridge LSAT which included these tests but for $400!!

Have you guys just purchased them individually? Even for some individually I have seen them for $24 each. Please help me!

This is a sufficient assumption question but one of the forums I read to understand answer choice (A) explained that NEGATING (A) would demonstrate it to be a sufficient assumption. I totally see that negating (A) would weaken the argument, but I thought we use negation test for necessary assumption questions ...or am I not aware of some exceptions? I know that for some flaw questions that contain "takes for granted/assumes that" language, you can negate the answer choices, but I never heard of using negation test for sufficient assumption questions.

Found this interesting blog post about a logical fallacy in the witch scene of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. It focuses on an inductive argument form and a deductive form (more appropriate for LSAT). The deductive form shows a good example of the difference between truth and validity which is one of the 7sage lessons. Figured I'd share its a pretty fun way to learn the way LAWGIC works.

The scene can be found here:

Note: skip to 0:40 to the beginning of the argument

The break down and explanation can be found here:

http://www.mooneytheology.com/2012/09/logical-fallacies-in-monty-python-and.html

There were several questions in this section that seemed to provide answers that I could not seem to justify even after BRing, not sure if this type of post is an issue because of its detail on specific questions, if so I apologize in advance and please remove.

9.

The correct answer seems to require that if the people who occupied the site were using a "wider variety of wild plants than did any other people at the time", then they would have "used some plants in ways that no other people did at that time."

In my opinion, using a "wider variety" in no way implies or supports the contention that this society was utilizing previously unused/discovered plants; it would mean that this society was eating a using a wider range of plants than any other culture, but each plant they used was also being used by some other culture.

Society "X" could eat wild mushrooms, apples, pears, spinach, bananas, and pineapples; while each of these plants was also eaten by at least some other society in existence.

Thoughts?

19.

The correct answer introduces this concept of "well-being" that appears no where in the argument of the professor, how would this weaken the argument?

21.

When I did this question it seemed as if it presented 2 necessary conditions for the book to be published this year -

1. important;

2. well written.

I selected the correct answer (A) in timed, but switched to (D) in BR, because (A) seems to lack the condition of being well written.

What would be the correct logical representation for this question?

Hey y'all!

You all know how awesome those epic mind maps JY uses in the Core Curriculum are. A lot of you have asked for printable versions of those. Well, we're excited to share the first two of three mind maps with you—available to everyone, for free! These mind maps show the content of the Grammar and Argument lessons in the Core Curriculum. I've included little boxes you can star or check off as a way to keep track of your progress in a standalone, tangible form. I know I always like to print things off and put them in my binders, and I bet a lot of you are the same way :)

To download the Arguments Mind Map, click here: https://classic.7sage.com/core-curriculum-lsat-arguments-mind-map/

Preview of the first page (4 pages total):

To download the Grammar Mind Map, click here: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat-grammar-mind-map/

Please share any feedback in the comments below. We'll also be releasing a multi-page mind map Logic sections of the course, so stay tuned for that!

I've been stuck in the 166-171 range for 8 months or so now, and do retakes in the 174-176 range.

I typically miss 2-4 in LR, and 0-3 in games.

However, my RC is all over the place. There have been times where I've gone -0, and others (like most recently) where I've missed as many as 8 or 9.

I started doing the Puzzle Theory (piecing all of the answers together), and writing a brief statement summarizing each paragraph. These helped initially, but not as much anymore.

I also understand that all of the answers are in the passage, but I'm finding the answer choices so convoluted that I can't find them. With that said, I typically finish RC with a few minutes of extra time.

How do I properly review RC? What can I do to get better?

I have looked everywhere and it seems that they just do not sell these two tests anymore does anyone know if I can actually find them somewhere?

Anybody taking the test at Wagner college on Staten Island? I'm coming from Brooklyn... I think I have a ride worked out but I wouldn't mind making a back up plan with someone else. The whole no phones allowed thing really makes it hard to work out a cab or anything like that, and I am, like most of NY, sadly car-less.

Soo... lets get hooked on phonics here. Anyone else have an "LSAT" voice in your head that dictates how you read/interpret an answer choice?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-36-section-1-question-13/

Did anybody else read “E” and interpret “this" period as the period of November rather than the entire period of September – November? I picked E because I read it as an outside factor, occuring in November that caused the break up

I dont know if I’m just misreading the referential phrasing or if this could be argued to be a bad question. Thoughts?

Would love to hear everyone (especially top scorers) weigh in on this--

Do you ever, in the course of doing an LR/LG section [under timed conditions] find yourselves selecting an answer choice and moving on WITHOUT continuing reading the other remaining answer choices? I know the proper approach in selecting a correct answer is to both identify the correct answer, AND to decisively eliminate every single incorrect answer, but sometimes you come across the correct answer choice that you've already anticipated while assessing the stimulus, and you know it's 100% correct before reading all the other answer choices. The reason I ask about this is because after drilling so many PT's, I still struggle with finishing all the test sections on time, and that amounts to lost points. So, I wonder if it would be the right strategy to pick the right answer and move on without reading all the remaining choices, (in those few cases where I do anticipate and identify the right answer with 100% certainty) in the interest of time?

"We make it look easy on the court... because we practice until we cannot get it wrong anymore."

Gabby Williams

GET EM

With 30 days left to test day, can anyone pls give me advice on how I can best prepare myself within the next month to enter test day in the best shape possible? Talking about in terms of eating habits, sleep schedule, avoiding stress, etc. I remember there being a post about this, but I couldn't find it.

Since my first diagnostic I've done respectably on RC and LR pretty consistently, generally -0 to -4 (-2 most common result on LR, -1 most common on RC). There's absolutely room for improvement, but I feel like I'm doing respectably well.

My LG scores, on the other hand, are an absolute train wreck. I don't think I've ever made it through the entire LG section under timed conditions. Under timed conditions I generally get -10 or even worse. It's an absolute disaster.

Outside of timed conditions I can generally work my way through every game without too much brain damage. Without a timer I rarely miss any LG questions.

I've completed the curriculum. I've done most of the problem sets, I've done all of the LG from about 2/3 of the tests using @Pacifico's fool proofing method. In recent weeks I've preceded the fool proofing with a timed drill of the section and then proceeded on to fool proofing each game individually.

I'm signed up for the June test. I am consistently scoring between 164 and 167 on my PTs (blind reviews now consistently above 175). My goal would be to break 170 on test day.

At this point my calculation is that the best use of my time is increasing my efficiency on LG. I appreciate the value of PTs. I also recognize that I have room for improvement in each section. It seems, though, that further improving LR and RC would demand a great deal of time. Even if I did so, I would still only give me an outside shot at 170 given my poor LG performance.

It seems to me that LG offers the lowest hanging fruit and the greatest potential for improvement.

My tentative plan, then, is to stop doing PTs (or at least cut from two per week to one) and instead just drill the heck out of LGs.

What do you think? Is it madness to consider abandoning PTs? Should I scale back on them and beef up my LG drills? Should I carry on as I have been?

Hi, I seem to be having problems correctly identifying the conclusion in complicated LR questions. Does anyone have tips for this? Thanks!

Y'all—

Some of us here are about to "graduate" to law school. Various members of our community (myself, @allison.gill.sanford , @alexandergreene93 ) have been discussing plans for a pre-law-school/0L study group.

The content will:

[Reading] basically be a copy/paste of @"Nilesh S"'s advice (Short and Happy Guides for Torts and Contracts, Glannon's Civ Pro Examples & Explanations).

[Meeting] Sessions to discuss concepts and practice issue spotting (using hypos gathered from various sources).

[Project] Practice exams exchanged/discussed by the group.

I think starting in mid May would be ideal. That would give us about 3 months to work on this before we're all likely to head into orientation week (ours is the very last week of August).

Interest? Ideas? Mostly we're looking to learn some black letter material and build our chops a bit before we head into the storm.

I took PT 50 last Sunday and got raw score of 62 but my actual score was 151. I did not feel it was particularly easier than other PTs. I used to get raw score of 55-56 and actual of 149-150, I am a bit confused. I am not sure if I improved or not? Is PT 50 really easy?

John Oliver never disappoints, enjoy!

I just started my LSAT course and noticed that the PSETs suggest using paper versions of the exercise questions. I've been using the videos, but it definitely does not mimic the right testing conditions. Also, I have tried searching the PSET questions in the Answer Bank, but I can't seem to find them. Does someone know where I can find paper versions of the questions?

Hello again

So, still stuck in the 165-169 window after 6 full PTs with an extra section added into the first 3.

My highest LR priorities given my analytics are

Flaw/Descriptive Weakening (1.2)

I was unfamiliar with the flaws and their manifestations

RRE (1.0)

was not grasping the nature of the issue, thereby not being able to find something that would actually explain it

PSA (0.9)

wasn't treating them enough like SA questions, and often skipped these

MSS (0.8)

forgot to see what was actually supported by the stimulus and making massive assumptions in my ACs

NA (0.7)

forgot to bridge/block

So, after my PT last weekend I stepped back and reviewed the relevant curriculum and webinars in order to give myself a refresher, and I will start drilling LR sections during my lunch breaks and after work on the days I'm not doing a PT/BRing.

Any thoughts about this and/or advice would be greatly appreciated

why is this showing as locked for me when i have Ultimate+? PT0A S2 P1 there are a few others showing locked as well

How do you negate "not many"?

To me, you can't just dropped the "not". Here's my thought process:

"Not many" seems to be the same as "some not."

"Not many people like apple" = "Some people do not like apple."

The negation of "some people do not like apple" is "everyone likes apple," and this is very different from "many people like apple" (dropping the not in "not many").

So you can't just drop the "not" in front of "many" to negate "not many." Am I right?

You read that right.

Our very own @"J.Y. Ping" will be hosting BR Group for PT50 on Sunday. Appropriately, this is the very LSAT JY took back in September 2006. So it's all coming full circle.

You obviously don't want to miss this.

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Fellow 7Sagers, I have a dilemma on my hands and I'd like your advice on how best to resolve it. I'm especially interested in hearing the opinions of those of you who have first-hand knowledge of the services offered by editor David Busis, Spivey Consulting, or ideally, both. Here goes...

Context: I'm going to take the LSAT in September and if need be, re-take in December, as well. After I receive an LSAT score that I'm happy with, my goal is to then immediately turn around and send off my law school applications. Therefore, to accomplish all of this, I need to begin preparing all of my non-LSAT components of the application now. Procrastination = death.

Problem: I know that during the process of putting together all of these application materials, I'm going to need some expert-level assistance. But that's where I'm stuck. I'm not sure how much help I'll actually need and from whom it's best to get it. I'm especially worried about being blind to any "unknown uknowns", to use Rumsfeldian terminology.

Option 1 (@david.busis): As many of you already know, 7Sage works with the wonderful David Busis. I've bought his Intro. to PS course and seen him in action on a webinar. He's funny, direct, and full of writerly wisdom. I would love to buy his "Unlimited PS Edits" for $599. The only concern I have is that this leaves ALL of the other important stuff (e.g. scholarship, wait lists, mock interviews, etc.) off of the advisement table. Basically, I live and die by my numbers and personal statement and hope for the best with everything else.

Option 2 (Spivey Consulting): A second option is to buy a more comprehensive--and significantly more expensive--package with Spivey Consulting (out of the firms I got quotes from, theirs seems like the best value). I'm confident that Spivey et al. know their stuff when it comes to the entire application components and process. But it's A LOT of money for a person in my financial situation (just about $3,000 more than what Busis' PS edits would cost me). I'd prefer not to rack up credit card debt for this, but the investment might be worth it if it gets me into a better school and/or a better FINAID package. Or, maybe it's not necessary if I've got good numbers and Busis' great advice on crafting my PS. Who knows?

Option 3: Anything else you all might come up with. Have at it!

Well, there it is. There are no do-overs when it comes to submitting my law school apps later this year. And at 33 years-old, I cannot afford wait another year to do so anyway. I need to decide ASAP which service fits my needs/budget and get started right away. If any of you have first-hand experience (rather than mere speculation) that you can offer up on this topic, I would greatly appreciate it.

-Adam

Awesome course so far! Just a couple of questions:

1. I am a mature student. If my marks from my early school career were less than stellar, should I consider applying in this (mature student) discretionary category?

2. How does taking the LSAT during the December sitting compared with the October sitting affect law school applications?

Thanks so much.