or is this just fantasy?

LR LR LG RC Score Date

54 1 2 1 5 171 24th July

55 2 2 3 6 167 11th Aug

56 4 7 2 8 163 12th Aug

58 168 24th Aug

59 4 3 5 6 167 26th Aug

60 168 28th Aug

61 3 6 7 1 166 31st Aug

62 6 5 4 6 165 1st Sep

I am having a difficulty in adapting my study strategy to more recent PTs!

As you can see I think i am experiencing a drop in scores in recent prep tests.

(During PTs before 40s I was occasionally scoring 170+)

As a non-native speaker in English, I used to employ strategies in attacking LR questions by looking for answer choices through symbolic understanding of stimuli (for example, looking for specific keywords in conclusion and matching them in answer choices),

and i find it that i have to maintain more room for flexibility in attacking these questions.

Anyhow,

1.

is there anyone who has been stuck for 165~168 band for long time and finally broke above 170+?

I guess i am stuck in this score band over 2 months.

2. in consideration of the fact that i am running out of fresh PTs, would you recommend me to take older or used PTs instead if i want to score 170+ in longer term?

Thanks in advance!

So basically.....when I wake up before my class to take a PT at 8 AM, I score 5-10 points lower than my PM tests around 2-4 PM. Does anyone else have this problem? I'm not sure how to overcome this difference because I drink coffee and get the sleep, but I don't want to face this on test day. I mean, how long am I supposed to be awake before PTing?

Take a 14 minute break from studying to watch this video. Made me consider becoming a public defender myself ;(

Hi Guys,

I'm a very committed POE-er, but I was wondering if anyone has found any benefit in not doing it for specific scenarios. For example, say you've prephrased the exact flaw in a flaw question or know what the sufficient assumption has to be in a SA question. If you find the exact prephrase in answer choice A, would you mark it down and move on, or still read over the remaining answer choices?

Do you guys always do POE or are there exceptions? Obviously skimming the remaining choices doesn't take much time, but my skimming is really half-hearted when I feel that I've already found the correct answer. So in my case, it does end up being a poor use of time, if even 5 seconds.

Writing this post in regards to the most efficient study practices. I know most of us are studying anywhere from 2-8 hours a day, I'm personally studying around 5-6. I take a 10 minute break for every 50 minutes of studying because I find I absorb more in 3, 50-minute intervals than 3 hours straight. Are you guys computing your total hours studied adjusting for breaks or just the entirety of time spent in the library, etc. thanks!

Take a pt everday for like 5-6 consecutive days.

Also others take TWO pts a day.

I really need soemthing different in my routine since I'm noticing NO PROGRESS despite all my studying. Has anyone done something slightly extreme like this?

Also there's this guy on yt who teaches lsat prep and he said he took 2 a day as well!!

I got this question correct, but I marked it for BR because I like analyzing parallel questions for practice. During BR, I am having a ton of trouble eliminating B.

Specifically, the flaw in the argument is your typical invalid argument form: A-->B. B. Therefore A. The argument invalidly uses the converse of the premise as the conclusion.

Answer choice A clearly does that, and this is the correct answer. However, doesn't answer choice B technically do this as well?

Here is my breakdown of B:

Discover something new-->Examined all possible solutions. Fran -Discover something new. Therefore, -Examine all possible solutions. This answer choice invalidly uses the inverse of the premise. Nevertheless, if you take the contrapositive of the conclusion, Examine all possible solutions-->Discover something new, isn't this logically identical to the flaw in the passage? In other words, am I misreading something in this answer choice, or is the "form" better than the "substance?"

Thanks.

Hey guys,

Been on here and studying for the October LSAT since late July. It's been quite the journey to say the least! After completing all the material, and now taking 4-5 PT a week since late August, I have seen little improvement. Some days are tough. At times it's difficult to keep my chin up when I have an off day. However, I think it's really important at the end of each day to be positive.

I glance at my calendar…19 days left. 19 days to learn, improve, and focus. Although I have seen little progress in my scores and I am well below my target score, there are 19 days to get it together and make it happen. It is possible. The LSAT is challenging, yes. This entire admissions process is as well, yes. But, it is extremely important for all of us to remain positive and understand that this is simply part of the process. Since I first got on 7sage and started reading posts in the feed, I managed to find comfort in knowing I am not alone out there in my quest to tackle this exam and get into law school. Although this is obvious, a nice reminder here and there goes a long way.

I wish everyone the best for the exam on the 3rd. Remain positive, work hard, and be accountable for your work. Know that in the highs and lows of the next few weeks and months, there is someone right there with you chugging along. Improvements can be made, and life is good.

Cheers to 7sage, and cheers to all of us kicking ass.

TONIGHT! PT71 BR | 7pm ET

Did anyone else pick up on the fact that that one RC passage was TOTALLY about World of Warcraft/Diablo II, etc. ??????

Derp-a-derp.

Note on all groups

Hey guys I would like you all to give me some insight into my situation. I've been taking full length pretests #39-45 beginning this month and my scored ranged from 165-172, 172 being the last of the set. Then this week I decided to switch over to the newer PT, 55-58 specifically and all of a sudden by score dropped to low 160's with me running out of time on almost every section. Any possible explanations for this? I feel like logical reasoning is kicking my butt on these newer exams. Planning to complete PT's 59-73 before the October exam. I hope I'm not burning out, been doing PT either everyday or every other day.

This reminds me of taking college algebra three times untill i finally got it ..... ahhhh I am so discouraged.

I've really come a long way, thanks to 7 sage.

My first PT was 151 about 3-4 months ago.

Nowadays I am constantly scoring in the low to mid 160s with BR scores always over 170.

Now, I am usually -4 to -5 on each LR section.

-2 to -3 on LG.

But man.....my RC is constantly in the -10 to -9 range.

I've read the LSAT trainer and tried the 7Sage method but not much improvement.

Any advice on improving my RC?

I know this is probably a rookie question, but I require an expert answer. So how do we diagram since? I don't recall it in the lessons. I have reasoned it myself so I'll give my input first and tell me if I'm wrong.

Since it's Raining, the soccer game is Cancelled

R --> C (if it's raining, then the game is cancelled)

It cannot be drawn as C --> R. (if the game is cancelled, how can we assume it was cancelled because of the rain? Maybe there was a terror plot or an earthquake)

Hi Folks!

I am starting to get in my 'test day mode', including meditation, changing my sleep cycle and exercising.

I took PT 74 yesterday, went (-10), with the curve, not a bad score. But, not my best. What bothered me, is

I went (-5) in RC.

I knew I struggled in the RC section, and that carried over into my LR section. I couldn't shake the negative thoughts in my mind that kept repeating "I know I didn't do great in RC." That mindset, then carried over into my LR, because I struggled a bit in the beginning of LR, until I pulled it together.

So, my question is:

How do you Sagers, move on from each section in the exam? How do you truly forget/ignore previous sections - so that

you start the new section with a clear focus? How do you remove lingering negative thoughts as you transition from one section to the next.

Just a quick shout out and thank you to @c.janson35 who has given me some great advice on this already, and answered some PT questions I have had!

On a morning so close to test day with a PT to take and BR to follow, this is what I say to myself: "I'm alive, alert, awake, joyous and enthusiastic about life! I fairly sizzle with zeal and enthusiasm to do that which is mine to do today!" GiddyUp!

Hello, on all of my preptests, even after reviewing all the lessons and explanations I still miss Flaw and MSS questions, is there something I missed in the lessons, or some concept I haven't understood that is common with these two types

Hi Everyone! This is my first time writing in the forums. I am totally struggling with understanding Law passages in Reading Comprehension and I'm not sure what to do. I am taking the October LSAT and I am trying to clean up some of the areas that are hard for me. Any suggestions?

Wondering what your strategy is regarding RC review and JYs video that breaks down the passage. I understand the passage, but usually dont watch his video that reads through the passage. RC is my worst section and I wonder if I'm missing out by not watching the video. Thanks!

hello all.

I am consistently finding myself struggling with parallel/parallel flaw questions. My initial move was to just go slower on them. But that only helped marginally.

I'm going to buy a grouping set of them from Manhattan. But do you all have any tips/suggestions for them?

Premise

~Nobility -----> ~ Tragedy

(~ = negative)

Conclusion

~Fate -------> ~ Tragedy

It is obvious we must link the concept of Nobility and Fate. Making D right.

My question isn't D backwards? We need an answer choice going from premise to conclusion

~nobility ------> ~ fate

Fate ------>Nobility

Instead D says

~Fate ------> ~Nobility.

Nobility -----> Fate.

Technically wouldn't this be unnecessary since it is a reversal? I know some people might say o just ignore this or look at the contrapositive, but I've seen a few questions where the contrapositive usage of it was considered wrong over the actual way. Ie. the way D had it was wrong when another answer choice said fate > nobility.

just a heads up so that y'all have extra time to PT (lookin at you @pujals ). BR group for PT71 will be TUESDAY at 7pm ET as opposed to the usual Wednesday.

I bought the intro course about a week ago and I'm scheduled to take the LSAT in October. I took a practice test today and scored a 152, and after applying the blind review method a 157. My goal is to get in the 160s range. Should I postpone taking the test in December?

Does anyone know from experience if it's possible to get in the 160 range within two weeks?

If anyone has been able to do this please share your recommendations to get there! My toughest section is LR.

Much appreciated guys!

How's it going. One of the people that I plan to ask for a letter from does not have his PhD. He's taught two of my classes; he's a grad student where I go to undergrad. But I feel that he could write me a good letter of rec. Should I ask him, or should I only ask people that have graduated from grad school, like legitimate professors? The other person I'm asking is a legitimate professor. Thanks guys

I am aiming for a 170 on the October LSAT, but for at least the past month, my score has consistently been 161-163, despite taking the time to go over answers I was unsure about and/or got incorrect and practicing those types of questions.

I have been self-studying for the LSAT since May, I had a tutor work intensively with me on logic games from May-July, and I have been in a TestMasters class since July. I only use the official PrepTests and books with official questions (PowerScore bibles, The LSAT Trainer). I have taken about 10 practice tests in total under timed, realistic conditions.

It seems on every practice exam I either have a major problem with RC (-7) and one of the logic games (while getting 100% on the other 3 games) but only get 4 wrong per LR section or the RC and logic games sections are fine (-2 or -3 each) but then I get about 9 wrong per LR section. Basically, I either have a problem with one half of the exam or the other. Recently, I did one practice exam where I gave myself 10 minute breaks in between sections and got a 172. I know this doesn't mean much, but it does show that I do have the necessary skills and strategies.

This is very frustrating, especially since in my practice I feel confident about the questions I am working on. I study about 3 hours per day, sometimes more, and based on the above, feel my studying is of good quality. I have a 3.95 GPA from a top 15 undergrad and don't see why for the amount and quality of studying I have done I shouldn't be able to get a 170.

Any advice for how to overcome this? Is it even realistic to expect this big of a jump in my score with only 3 weeks left? I know the obvious answer would be to just keep in mind retaking the exam in December, but I really don't want to resort to that if I don't absolutely have to.