Alright, I'll try to make this as short as possible. I'm trying to decide whether or not to take the Oct. 2015 test, which would be my third time. I sat in both Feb. (159) and June (164). I got a solid boost, but I was really wanting 167+ for the schools I want to go to. As soon as I left, I knew that the games destroyed me (my worst section), but I ended up with -4 (not too bad for me), and -7 on RC (normally my best section, -3 or -2). I also got the LG/LR/LG first three sections, which drained me mentally and may have killed my morale a bit. I've completed the 7sage curriculum and taken every test from 36-74 except for # 72 (and I heard that there's a previously undisclosed one out now?), so I won't have any fresh PT's to study with. The average over my last 10 tests was a 165.8 (which is right on target supposedly), but the range is huge: from 161-173, with a 171 in there also.

I feel like I should retake just on the fact that I did worst on my historically best section and the chance that I get a test that meshes with me better (like the 170's I hit). But the average is where it's supposed to be, and I pretty much have nothing to study with except one PT, so I thought I'd ask you guys. Thanks for reading!

Do i have to find these individually from some sketchy fifth party that wants my email before I can even see their webpage?

the title says it all.

Add/message nikkers625 on Skype if you'd like to join!

I am about to finish the Trainer and move on to my next phase of study. I am curious if anyone would be willing to send me notes, flash cards, etc. that they took from the trainer. This next week I'll be compiling my own study guide, and I don't want to miss anything. My email is mheannarino@gmail.com. Also, this is an email I use for spam so I can post it publicly and fret not.

Thanks

PS: If I hadn't purchased the Trainer myself, I wouldn't ask for notes. It doesn't seem ethical to me to reap from Kim without a financial thank you.

I took the June LSAT and got -3 on one logical reasoning section and -6 on the other. Do these two sections have the same problem types? I just wonder why one was -3 and one was -6, pretty big jump. If not, what makes them different, so I can focus on improving one section?

This is more of a suggestion, and I'm pretty sure there must be some sort of limitation that prevents this, but why can't we fast scroll up or down on the site? I don't mean the regular scrolling, but holding down the middle button on the mouse and scrolling up and down.

It makes browsing the discussion forum a little easier.

Just wanted to thank the whole 7Sage team for helping me obtain my goal. Your course and a ton of prep tests were the only thing I used. I am really grateful that you guys put such a great product on the market at a price that I could actually afford! Cheers!

You are not alone. I wish I didn't need to write this thread to release some catharsis and I wish other people wouldn't need to find company in misery as I would not wish such disappointment even on my worst enemy.

I experienced a 10 point drop from my PT average this test day, and 4 point drop from my first real test. I was averaging a 171.8, a PT range of 167 to 177, and then received a devastating 162 in June. The score I received in June isn't a number I've seen on a PT when I was studying for February, let alone June. While I can never be sure what exactly happened, I'm 99% positive it had everything to do with my mental state.

I had a rather ideal testing order -- LG (experimental), LR, LG, RC, LR. I felt great after the first section to the point where I had 5 minutes to check my answers for every single game. In theory, this sounds great. How could I have been mentally defeated at this point? Except I was. By the time I had re-visited the first game (I went in reverse order), I realized I had made a simple error on question #1 but couldn't change my answer in time. I was livid. And this is when things went sour. It took me about 5 minutes to get back into the groove for LR. All I could think about was the fact that this test and that one question was going to derail the hundreds of hours I've poured into studying. I could already imagine the disappointed responses I'd get from my parents, my extended family, and my friends. I could hear the subtle derision and condescension in their voices -- maybe she's just not smart enough. Maybe this is all she will amount to. I don't know why she can't score well on this test when all she does is study -- she doesn't even have a job. These were the thoughts in my head while trying to answer a tough necessary assumption problem. This was the mental condition I was in when taking this test.

Then, when I hit section 3 (the real LG), I actually laughed out loud in the middle of my test. I had wasted so much mental energy and lost so much precious time because of a stupid section that didn't even count? Of course at the time I couldn't be certain that the first section was in fact the experimental, but in my gut I knew it to be true. I think this is when I probably gave up on the test. I blindly guessed on the last game and to my pleasant surprise, I only missed 2. I tried to regroup my brain and will it to not give up during the break -- "you still have 2 more sections" -- but I was never wholly present again for the test. I hardly remember RC and I feel like in the last section I wasn't applying the processes I had honed in my studies on actual test day.

In hindsight, I should have cancelled but I'm glad I didn't. What happened to me in June 2015 is a testament to how important your mental state is for the LSAT. I dedicated my entire mental energy to this test to the point where I couldn't separate my LSAT world from my real world. I'd be out with friends and all I could think about was squeezing in a game or an extra LR question. I'd watch TV or be at the gym and think, "Hmm, maybe if I do one more problem set, maybe that'll guarantee me the 170." I was constantly stressed out to the point where I almost irreparably damaged some of my closest personal relationships. I wish I could say I was being overdramatic (just typing this out proves to me how manic I was) but this is the ugly truth. I was at my absolute worst physical, emotional, and mental state so the fact that I took a hit wasn't really a surprise to me. The fact it was as much as a 10 point deficit was, though, very shocking.

If you're like me where you've blown the LSAT out of proportion into an unstoppable, unconquerable behemoth, we CAN destroy the test. I have no doubt that many of us possess the fundamentals to do well and I just flat out refuse to believe that my PT average was a history of flukes. My goal for October/December/February or whenever I decide to use my next and final retake is to take the test when I'm most psychologically sound. My "study plan" over the next few months is simple: PT and blind review. And hey, maybe this will finally give me the opportunity to join those wonderful BR group sessions that Nicole and co. spearheaded (silver lining :]). That's my only LSAT related plan. The rest of the time I intend on spending with friends and family, exercising, eating well, reading, and meditating. I firmly believe that a happy mind (plus the knowledge of the fundamentals) will lead to a desirable LSAT outcome.

Solidarity, friends.

Ah, the fallout of the June 2015. Brutal fights won and lost by 7Sage soldiers, but still - so many slain egos lay on the battlefield.

Mine included. (Which may turn out to be a very beneficial learning experience - but that is not today's topic.)

I scored a 169 - the low of my range (168-173), but not the score I wanted. I am grateful that I work well under testing conditions, but I still felt miserable after the test, and even worse after receiving my score. Despite praise from friends and family from the outside world - as I scored in the 97th percentile. They can't understand that for me, a 169 instead of a 175, or even a 172 means I can't go to the law school I want to attend, and even if I scrape by admissions, I won't be able to attend without scholarship. I am a splitter with a very low GPA.

So - to retake or not to retake? The obvious answer for most would be yes, retake. But I am so burntout from studying that it is hard to pick up the Trainer or open lessons on 7Sage without immediately putting it down/ closing browser windows again.

So if I don't retake, I resign myself to a regional school that I don't really want to attend. Again, the obvious answer would be to retake. Even if I do go to a regional school - a higher LSAT score can only help with scholarships.

So the issue - how do I get over burnout? And how do I prevent it from happening again?

I'm currently in my undergrad looking to get the best possible score on the LSAT. I started off by just sitting down and knocking a practice test out to see where I was at and to gauge how much work needed to be done, as I predicted I scored very low, 150. Which I should be excited for but I'm working to get into the Stanfords, Columbias, etc, and we all know a 150 won't do. Now I am unsure of how to perfect my score. What books would you recommend? What style of studying? Anything would help early on in the stage I am currently in, thank you fellow 7sagers!

Just wanted to thank JY and the 7 Sage team/community for all your help over the past several months. My diagnostic was in the high 130s and I finished with a 160 on the June LSAT. I studied using 7 Sage along with The Trainer. This site is an amazing resource and I don't know what I would have done without it. Cheers everyone!

I remember @"J.Y. Ping" makijg a printer recommendation in a comment somewhere but I've been searching high and low and can't find it. I'm sick of this inkjet bullsqueeze and want to get a laser printer but I don't want to end up in a driver war between my printer and MacBook... Any suggestions?

After hard work and many ups and downs I scored in the 99th percentile.

Thank you @"J.Y. Ping" and 7Sage. I've done most other popular courses but nothing crystallized logic games (I got a -0) or other material like 7sage.

There's no better discussion forum either. JY fosters a community of cooperation rather than the snarky zero-sum mentality I've seen on other forums. I don't think I could have done it without 7Sage!

Thank you Thank you Thank you!

Hi all!

I'm new to the course and trying to get into the 7sage techniques. One of my first lessons is the June 2007 PT, which I took a couple weeks ago before enrolling here. I scored the whole thing and got a result. Now I'm not sure if it's possible for me to do a blind review on it? I marked which were wrong and wrote all over it. Should I just move on and make sure to do it with all my future PTs, or is there a way for me to BR this specific test?

Thank you! :)

Hello all,

Now that I've had a little bit of time to reflect on my June score, I was hoping to find some people to indulge with me in some "philosophical" conversation about what it all means.

I scored a 164 on the June test, 7 ish points lower than my PT average. I completely bombed one LR section (pretty uncommon since LR is generally my strongest) and did really pretty well on the remainder. It was the first section and presumably, the issue was related to nerves.

I want desperately for my LSAT score to begin with 17..and I'm not really sure why. My pride? A personal goal?

I plan to attend a (fairly) strong regional school because I know where I want to practice and already own a house in the area, I am not really a non-traditional student but am definitely not K-JD. I will apply to other schools but primarily for scholarship leverage. For this particular school and considering my URM status, my numbers (or lower) have led to admission plus substantial scholarship for others.

I plan to retake but... I'm also conflicted. Others in the area would likely take the score and run. I'm not happy with my score and know that I can do better (I haven't score a 164 on a prep test in a long while).

My question- has anyone else become obsessed with the LSAT itself and lost sight of the fact that it's a means to an end? I certainly have. Thoughts?

I did my first PT today and, I have to admit, was disappointed with the score (148). BR wasn't much better in the mid 150.

However, it could have just been because it is my first test - a BIG nervous moment I have been building up to since I started studying in January.

Rather than try to pick apart my weaknesses at this stage, I am figuring it may be good to take another 3-4 tests just to build up some analytics within 7Sage. That should then give me a good basis from which to do some actual targeted further study. With just this one test, I'd be unsure where to even start.

Is that sensible? Or a waste of 3-4 more practice tests?

Thanks,

J.

After lurking for 2 months, I finally purchased the 7sage Premium package.

Right now my goal is 160+ for the October write. My only other commitment is a summer course from July to Mid-August, so I hope my 3 month goal is attainable for my desired score!

I haven't even attempted a LG, and am asking should I jump right into that first or just follow the order of the curriculum?

I've done hundreds of LR questions and I was never this lost with a question. Got this right because the rest of the answers weren't compatible with the argument, but I have no idea why (C) is correct. I really would appreciate a detailed explanation for this one and a breakdown of the argument.

Can't believe it. I'm literally in shock rn. I totally thought I bombed the June test but just got my score back and it was 165! I will be retaking in Oct after a brief LSAT break here, but I just wanted to share that because I was almost positive I did terribly and was ready to cancel.

Well, everyone, I did it. I got the score required to get me into the school I'd like to go to. Ultimately I'm still not sure how I feel about it. For those of you who know my story, I'll make this brief. My first time taking the exam I received a 147. It destroyed me. I remember I was playing ranked and just straight up afked and curled into a ball (kudos to those who get the reference.)

LG killed me on this exam and the exam I took prior to this one. I'm not exactly sure why? It is literally always my best section on PTs (-2, -3, -5 MAX). Sure I have a few off exams, but it was never a huge issue. Anyway, on this exam I did better on LR/RC, this exam I didn't panic or freak when I hit difficult questions or felt pressured. I had been here before and I knew how to handle it. So far I applied to 2 law schools (with my previous score) and both of them are over an hour away, very very expensive, and offer very low amounts of living wage aid. In all honesty, even with my Hyundai Veloster, I don't think I'd be able to afford annual gas costs. You may be asking why I put myself in this situation, and my answer is that I didn't perform well on the last exam and then, there's my family.

So, I was a bit lucky. I was given a chance to retake the exam and possibly get another shot at my school if seats were not full. I wasn't promised anything but, hope, however small, widened my eyes and made me hit the books (well I used the Internets, I only used one book and that was the LSAT Trainer, LOL) again. This time I had 5 classes, and a crap load of other responsibilities. My family played a huge guilt trip on me. My grandfather bought me a car (the Hyundai Veloster). This was something he had saved/planned for since I was a kid, but he was using it as leverage with law school because he thinks if I take a year off he won't be around to see me graduate. This killed me. My father threatened to charge a lot for rent, to the point where I'd "barely be able to study" (whatever that means) and also played the guilt card with my grandfather. My uncle did the same with guilting me about my grandfather. Every time I brought up waiting a year, I was dismissed without further discussion. My girlfriend supported me, but I felt alone on an island overall. From my understanding, family support during law school is very important. Yet, I couldn't garner any support pre-law school. This frustrated me. This is MY future. They all dismissed any advice from people I quoted on 7Sage, my counselor from undergrad (who went to law school, practiced, and now is in charge of pre-law advising at my school.) No matter who it was and no matter the credentials, they did not care. I even tried to have a friend of mine (who they knew well) explain it to them. He took a year off to study for the GMAT, got a 700, and went to Minnesota for a masters in business (graduated top of his class), and is now going to Georgetown for a masters in finance. Once again, his words did not stick.

This is a rare opportunity, though. My score, although it may be too late for my desired school, is good enough for the next cycle and I may be able to leverage that to take a year off. There is absolutely no reason for me to put myself in huge debt for a year, possibly screw up, and not be allowed to ultimately transfer to the school that is not only a lot more practical, but better for my future (my desired school is 5 minutes away, I completed my undergrad there, is SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER, more living wage money for assurance, and has a lot more job opportunity post-grad.) I think this argument will leverage pretty well, because it's tangible and backed by my current score (previously they thought if I wait to take the exam I may fuck up and screw myself in the long run.) I can then study AGAIN for the exam and possibly do a hell of a lot better, and get better scholarships. Also, during my year off I can pay the capital on my student loan and slowly pay that off as well. What's your advice, everyone? I know a lot of this stuff may be too much for a 7Sage forum, but I feel if I ask for advice all details should be on the table.

Tl;DR Not sure how to feel, got desired score but felt I could have done better if I wasn't pressured/forced by my family to rush it. Can possibly use my current score to leverage taking a year off if seats are full, and can study to get more scholarship money and not put myself more in debt just to save a year.

I'd also like to take the time to thank 7Sage for everything it has given me. I would not be where I am today without you guys to guide me through this journey. I'd also be broke as hell. I have more to say, but's for a later time and another post <3.

Got a 148 diagnostic in January and have worked solidly since. Just took my first PT and also got 148.

Feeling deflated :(

Why is the answer E?!? I cannot for the life of me figure it out. At first I put A, then D, then it turned out to be E and I just don't know why. HELP!!

Hi so as expected I did not do as well as I would have liked.

I'm a non traditional ur female with 2 businesses. So I have great softs.

I m at the 25 percentile for lsat and median GPA for my dream school and 75 percentile for my safety school.

For my last choice , I'm at 50 th for both. I can only apply to pt programs.

My concern is should I study to bump up my score by 5 points or just start applying, or do both.

Personal statements are are going to require a lot and since I'm working 32 plus hrs weekly , I'm concerned as to the best way to handle my time. Do I Focus on application rather than lsat?

I do have a meeting with my dream school dean but I would like your input.

How long did it take you to get into -0-3 range? Been working on logic games for a few weeks now and almost finished the core curriculum of logic games (haven't gotten to logic bundle yet, only problem sets), and still feel I cant accurately complete any new type of game that comes my way. How long did it take you guys?

Hey guys,

Question: Is the LSAT Analytics tool only supposed to be used for PTs? If not, could some of you share how you are utilizing the tool?

My guess is that it's only for PTs-- You track your progress and drill your weak areas, right?

I am sure there is an explanation on this site somewhere, just can't find it. :/

Thanks!