Hello,

I have a bit of a dilemma.

Okay, I lied: a huge dilemma.

I was hoping to be ready for the October LSAT, but I am by no means prepared. I want to apply for the 2014 school year, so I have to have my application in by November. I would very much like to study in Toronto and not have to move away from home. I have a mediocre score on my file (155, I think) from last year. I'm only about a quarter of the way through the course. Would it be a disadvantage to apply and indicate that I'm writing my LSAT in December? I'm worried about being pushed to the bottom of the pile based on my score. My GPA is decent, I have an undergrad degree in forensic anthropology but I'm a bit terrified. I don't want to try and cram from here on in and waste money. And have another shitty score on my file. Or loose any possible chance I have of being accepted.

Any words of wisdom?

This game was terribly difficult for me, but after spending quite a bit of time thinking about it, I think I've figured out what surely has to be the best way to set this game up. The game seems confusing because it pretends to have 5 game pieces (the five cities) which are connected to each other. The epiphany I had was that those really aren't the game pieces: the CONNECTIONS between the cities are the game pieces, and it's really just a 9 piece in-out game. The 9 pieces are the 9 unique permutations of the 5 cities' connections. Boo-ya! -Do people still say that?

Anyway, I wondered if anyone else had thoughts on this game, or if there is a reason why this set up/approach to the game isn't the absolute best.

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-40-section-2-game-3/

Which PTs are considered difficult and which ones are (relatively) easy?

I took PT 46 yesterday after upgrading my course from the basic package to premium and I got -4 LR, -0 LG, and -1 RC. On PT 50 I got annihilated on LR (improved to -7 LR, -2LG, -1 RC from -14 LR..). PT 51 was "in between" 50 and 46 because I did better in LR than I did on PT 50 but not as well as I did on PT 46 (-6 LR).

So I understand that logic games now are on two pages to give more room to write out diagrams. This is great. How are you guys incorporating it into your practice though, just an extra sheet of paper? Also if they are two pages do you know if they are always on pages facing each other, so you can see both when the test book is open? Or is it possible that I'll have to flip pages to get from the first page to the second?

For JY and other who teach 7sage lsat prep:

What did you guys score on the actual LSAT? What was your diagnostic score when you started?

Can someone explain what role "even if" plays in (D)?

I was able to eliminate all of them except (D) so I picked it. Turns out, I got lucky.

I tried to make even if a sufficient condition so "even if" it fails, the necessary could still happen. However, is this correct way of thinking about it? Or is even if similar to only if?

On a side note I only got one wrong on PT 51 S1 :D

Not sure if this LR section was easier or if I got better :P

Edit: can we also go over Q16? I had trouble doing the diagram for it but managed to get it right.

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-51-section-1-question-21/

Breathe in breathe out!!!! Are my new fav words when I am trying to read and people keep talking to me though they see me reading ugh

Today I have a big progress in weaken/strengthen question.

I find in most weaken/strengthen question, there exists a presumption and the only thing answer choice do is to give an example to answer the assumption in the stimulus "it is the case, it could be possible"(strengthen) or "it is not the case.(weaken)"

For example, in PT37 S2 Q20

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-37-section-2-question-20/

We an see choice A talks about the horses, which at first glance is irrelevant to the stimulus argument cuz stimulus talks about the Antarctic seals. But this choice answer to the presumption in the stimulus "yes it could be possible"(animal can store oxygenated blood in their spleens)

For instance, in PT 52 S3 Q19

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-52-section-3-question-19/

We can see choice A mentions"large mammals", which also seems to be irrelevant to the argument cuz the stimulus talks about dinosaurs, however, choice A answer to the assumption in stimulus(any animals dead in contorted position cuz they eat poison food) "it is not always the case".

Also, in PT 52 S1 Q21.

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-52-section-1-question-21/

Choice C talks about modern writer, which again seems to be out of scope cuz stimulus talks about Homer, but it rebut the presumption in the stimulus"any work has such a difference can't be the same author."

For all three questions here, including numerous strengthen/weaken questions, I think the trap here is at first glance it seems to be irrelevant and you may eliminate them quickly. However, for strengthen/weaken question, we can have those example or similar parallel to answer the presumption in the stimulus, which seems at first not perfect enough. That's strengthen/weaken question you don't need to make a perfect argument or destroy an argument.

Hope helps.

Any comments ? Any thoughts ?

They seem far simpler than the newer ones.

The newer tests have a ton of abstract language (or so it seems to me) than older tests.

If you were going to do a bunch of PTs where would you start?

Anyone willing to help, through PM's or something?

This is a very basic question but I plan on applying to schools this year so I can start attending next fall.

I've tried to gather some information online but each minute I spend on something else is a minute not spent on the LSAT! :<

So far I've gathered that I need to send my transcript to LSAC, get LORs from professors, and take the LSAT and do well on it.

However, how do you actually apply to a school? Is it just online forms you fill out for each school or is it all done through the LSAC site? Do I ask my professors to write an LOR and send it to me (awkward) or do I have to give them stamped envelopes to send to each school?

I don't know how to exactly ask this without embarrassing myself but I really don't want to screw up law school admissions lol. Thanks.

An artwork cannot express an emotion that the artwork's creator is incapable of experiencing.

How to translate this sentence into logical condition?

If artwork's creator incapable of experiencing, then artwork cannot express an emotion.

Am I right?

Which word is the logical indicator in this sentence?

I thought cannot is the indicator means group 2. Am I right?

Many thanks!

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-51-section-3-question-19/

You can look at the stimulus in this link.

I believe Jon's explanation for B is wrong because an editor may modernize spelling without providing an explanation, for instance, if similar modernizing has been done in more than one quotation, then you can modernize them just inserting a general statement in the preface.

I know why D is right, but still don't know why B is wrong.

Can anyone help me clarify it?

After going through all the courses in 7sage, I found myself still confused about causation and conditional logical, especially how to know the relationship in stimulus is causation, condition, or premise and conclusion. Anyone can help me clarify it?

Is there a way to refresh what the course shows as already been completed? I extended my schedule and want to go through the whole course again, but what Iv already done a while ago still shows as completed.

Hi,

I've currently only taken 2 PT's (50, June 2007). I purchased some LSAT question bundles from cambridge lsat and drilled a bunch of LG and RC from tests 1-38. After each topic JY taught, I would spend about 2-3 hours doing drills from those packets.

I'm thinking of taking every other 50s test and then doing each 60-68 test.

Is this a good plan?

On PT 50 I screwed up hard on LR but after calming down my nerves and "retaking" the LR section I improved substantially. I have heaps to go though before I can say I am confident in my abilities to score 0 wrong (or as few wrong as possible). I did okay on the other sections but as mentioned in another post I ran out of time on the RC but got one wrong while missing two on LG because I didn't read my own inference chart properly...

If you already have access to the full course:

http://classic.7sage.com/lesson/logic-games-habits-for-speed-and-accuracy/

Otherwise, I'm reproducing the contents of that lesson here. What good habits do you cultivate for LG?

Good habits:

-Tick off rules as you translate them into our visual language.

-Write out rules neatly, close to each other.

-Combine rules with overlapping items.

-Every time you encounter a new rule, think about how it interacts with the game items, the board, and the previous rules.

-Reduce visual clutter.

-Try to split the main game-board into sub-game-boards.

-Remember to check for floaters.

When stuck:

-Sufficient failed, rule irrelevant.

-Necessary satisfied, rule irrelevant.

-Pare down and rewrite your rules that still remain.

-Take stock of what items are left.

-Count the number of items left against number of slots left.

-Close out groups when they are full.

Stop the explanation video after the game-board setup. Try to solve the questions yourself.

For this question here:

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-50-section-2-question-21/

My question:

If E is right, it didn't resolve this discrepancy. Because E implies "if all and only those who ate a particular seafood dish at the restaurant contracted the illness", which only prove that contaminated dish caused the illness. But what official believe is that "contaminated seafood caused the cases of illness". "seafood" and "dish" is not a same thing.

We all know what AP and MP questions are, but I have ran into many harder AP and MP questions where the stimuli does not actually explicitly state the conclusion, making it difficult to label the different roles each sentences play. The conclusion in these questions are instead implied by the structure of the argument. Since I have ran into several questions like this, I have reasons to believe that this is a recurring theme on harder AP questions that we should be familiar with. However, this is only a hypothesis based on my experience, so I am here to ask all of you to pay attention to this type of questions and post it on this thread to confirm or reject this hypothesis.

Here are two questions that I have so far.

Preptest 28 Sec 3 # 14

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-28-section-3-question-14/

The conclusion here is that citizens in a democratic country should not neglect to vote.

Preptest 50 Sec 2 # 19

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-50-section-2-question-19/

The conclusion here seems to be that one should not go too far in limiting one's fat intake.

In either case the conclusion is not mentioned in the stimuli.

What are your opinions' on this?

Hi everyone, I am taking the LSAT in December (I am working abroad so I only have time to study part time) I am thinking of doing a timed Preptest every Saturday up until test day (and of course finishing off the 7sage course), or in other words 21 timed PT's, and during the week really going over everything thoroughly, blind reviewing etc. There is quite a bit of additional material in the course from other tests so I am thinking that this should be enough. I am aiming to score in the high 160's, I have written the LSAT once before after attempting self studying while also working, and I didn't spend nearly enough time and did very few actual full length PT's. I scored in the 150's, and my goal is to improve 8 to 10 points. I am wondering what you guys think? I believe that doing 21 as opposed to 30ish tests will allow me to really review properly and take my time without overwhelming myself, which may be the disadvantage of attempting to squeeze in more preptests before or after work etc. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.

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I recall JY saying in the intro lectures that 7sage was fully compatible with mobile devices. I encourage all students to take advantage of this feature!

And of course: thanks 7sage!

Hi all! I'm new to the forum although I have been using the LG videos which I've found very helpful - thank you for providing this free resource!

I'm curious, does anyone read the questions first before reading the passage? I used to do this on the SAT (baaack in the day) and found it helpful.

Any other good RC prep tips? I haven't really concentrated on this section in my studying.

Thanks!!

Stimulus:

New Age philosopher: nature evolves organically and nonlinearly...

Flaw question.

I am down to B and E

B: overlooks the possibility that the overall structure of a phenomenon is not always identical to the overall structure of the reasoning that people do about that phenomenon.

I don't know why B is wrong. It seems to me that in the stimulus philosopher claim that the overall structure of a phenomenon (Nature) is organic, holistic, nonlinear. And also philosopher recommend we use the identical overall structure of the reasoning(organic, holistic, nonlinear) to understand that phenomenon, which is exactly what B says.

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-49-section-2-question-18/

I noticed that some games are very easy to diagram. However, I am always unsure on how many sketches I should make. In order to save time, is there a general method for knowing when to draw multiple diagrams vs. using only one?