PT53 BR Tonight at 8pm ET

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Hello All,

I finished 7Sage's curriculum and now working on The Trainer. I see how they complement each other. I have an essential question and very appreciate your input. I am having difficulties finding the flaw after isolating the argument.

After you isolate the argument, do you sit and critically think of a scenario on when this premise doesn't support this conclusion? J.Y. does it all the time and so as Mike Kim, but I fail to do so. Most of the times I rely on the answer choices to lead me on the line of thoughts.

Using my small brain to come up with a dumb example:

"Louis is carrying a cup of water; hence, he is thirsty."

How would you go about the thought process?

The way I try to approach questions:

1- I think: carrying a cup of water doesn't mean he is thirsty (I just try to fail the argument).

2- Why the hell is he carrying a cup of water then? Ummmm, in my case I stop at this stage most of the time. Do you guys think: Oh he probably wants to water the plants. (I don't usually come up with a scenario and even when I come it is in many cases wrong.

I bought Cambridge LR recently and started with Flaw questions. I am doing them untimed and trying to stay on each question many minutes to dissect it inside out, but I think this is wrong too. I am not supposed to pay a lot of attention to the context info but concentrate of the argument only.

I very appreciate your help

Hello everyone,

While my PT score has increased little by little, it seems like my BR score has hit a plateau in the low to mid 170s. I've been studying for the LSAT for quite some time and am feeling frustrated that my BR score isn't consistently 175+. Anyone have advice on how to improve the BR? What tactics did you use? What I'm doing right now is going over all of the questions again after taking a PT. However, I still make confidence errors and am having trouble spotting them in advance. Any advice/tips you might have would be greatly appreciated.

@"Alan Cheuk"

YAY to collapsing lessons! Foot in the door phenomenon, I hope it's a real thing...

Regarding the questions for there are not yet explanations for, in the new test sets, I know we have the option to click discuss, which opens up the option to start a blank new discussion on it... but if the video could open up to a separate page, so we can discuss the question below the video? In its current state, we have to open up a new discussion, then cite to the test/question # (and depending on how motivated we are, type out the question again) but it would be nice if we could post our questions/observations/thoughts right on the same page below the displayed question?

I don't know if this interferes with new LSAC licensing requirements.. but thought it was worth asking anyways?

@"Alan Cheuk" is there any way for the option to minimize topics stay minimized, even if we go to a different page and back to the course? i thought it didn't save between different computers, and am now realizing going back and forth pages will remove all the clicking i did to minimize topics?

So, despite my confident suspicion that 7sage pwns PowerScore, I still bought the LR Bible cuz it was "only" $40 bucks. But, after having read the first couple chapters, I am totes concerned. I have read multiple "How I got a 180" etc. articles, and a lot of those people used powerscore. Bless their hearts because dang doe. In two chapters I have gotten a lot of the basics which I guess are necessary for the first 2 chapters. But it seems that the way this book is mapped out, where its heading, is extremely inefficient and odd (categorization), though admittedly quite exhaustive. (Exhaustive at this point is what I am looking for. I have finished the Trainer and twas excellent, but I need some more detes on my weak question types).

Given my circumstance, am I going to benefit from the time I put into this book? I really do prefer book learning to video learning, for multiple reasons---time efficiency being one of them. I would like to keep the Trainer as my main template and incorporate detes from LR Bible. My LR is pretty low, too low to be honest about publicly. But I have only done one PT, and a lot will come naturally with practice and mental endurance. However, I would hate to establish bad habits in PTing or inefficient habits in theory with the Bible. I am taking the October LSAT and completely plan on 170 or 173 +, and I am studying more than full time.

Punchline: Do I continue with the LR Bible? will it give me new insights and the deh-tails I need to fill specific, tiny wholes in the Trainer, even if its overall structure is wackasblackcrackonthesalerack?

im looking to buy the starter package ($179) but thinking if I get into this I should really get the ultimate or ultimate+ package to get the best materials. Can you upgrade between packages when you're ready for the difference ($549 - $179) or is it the sum of costs if you do this approach?

Hello all,

I'm fairly new to the forums and I have just learned about the MM and BR.

I have recently applied the MM to a RC section (pre-test 29) and followed all the directions carefully (e.g. 3.5 minutes reading, 1.5 min memory, etc.). In addition, I've applied the BR after I've completed the RC section in order to gain further insights to errors I have made while using the MM. My results in the MM were low (12/27) and I didn't have a chance to tackle 10 questions due to timing. After the MM, I started to BR and my results only improved by one (13/27). I took my time, tried to justify my answer and reasoning behind it, etc.

I noticed that there wasn't much improvement. This the first time I have used these methods and was wondering if these results are normal after the first application? Am I approaching the questions wrong? Am I have trouble understanding the questions? Does time play a huge factor?

I'd also like to note that when I do RC untimed I usually get around 75-80% right. What do you folks think?

Feedback is much appreciated! :)

To date I have been through 7Sage twice, the Trainer twice and Manhattan LR twice; my conditional logic principles are strong but I fall apart when seeing it in the form of a written stimulus.

Getting the text translated is fine, but the trouble is working through the "process" of the logic from that point forward.

I think I need to consider other resources out there. Has anyone uncovered anything that helped them in this area? There's boundless virtual beer available to anyone who can assist!

Thanks in advance,

Jimmy the logical reasoning nemesis

Hey guys, so here's the deal.

We are looking for a stellar teacher to craft a stellar bar prep course with us.

We're looking for someone in their 3L year or just graduated from a top law school. The most important criterion is that they genuinely enjoy studying and debating the law.

Do you guys know someone like that? If so, please encourage them to email me (jy@7sage.com). 7Sage will be eternally grateful.

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For the people who are taking the 7sage course, and who are on the sequencing games with a twist section, did you attempt to diagram the games before JY did? and if so did you have trouble? and if you had trouble and could not figure it out, did you just watch the video explanation, and then attempt to do it yourself? Because I am having difficulty with setting up games, and understanding some rules, and usually when I do not understand I just watch the video explanation, and then attempt it on my own. I just started doing the logic games section, so I am sure most people when they start out are lost on setups, but I am just curious. I want to add that once I set up the game, I have no problems with the questions, and do not really struggle with making most of the inferences.

I'm spending 3-4 hours/day on LSAT. By the time I'm done with LR and some RC blind review and 7sage curriculum, I have little time left on LG. If you have a good time management tip on giving LG the proper time to study, please let me know. My LG is 60-70% accurate, so it needs a lot of work.

Is there any info on possible date and cost? Thanks!

PT70 BR Tonight at 8:30pm ET

Well, well, well. We finally hit 70. Just add 100 to that and everyone be happy, happy, happy (within +/- 5 points or so).

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I recently posted about this I think.

I found the LSAT Trainer was a really helpful resource and I saw vast improvement in my score, but.... now I feel as if, as I'm moving up in LSAT #..... I am again lagging in Reading Comprehension.

I think, to improve, I have to change my method or tweak my method.

How do you study for Reading Comprehension? Right now I'm going through past LSATs (just did #40) and drilling the full 4 passage section. I am then going through and circling the ones I am not sure on, going back to try and find support for the answer, and then correcting.

Should I go through EACH question? and not just the ones I felt were wrong? should I re read the entire passage again?

What do you do?

About a month ago I purchased the 7Sage Law School Prep Course and got a bit of the way through it. At the begining it's mostly Larry, (the instructor) explaining how law school works and breaking down any misconceptions about how law school actually works. I've had the luxury of knowing individuals in 3L at the law school I intend to go to, explain to me how law school works. Larry is pretty spot on with most of it, but then again, I may have just totally ignorant of the obvious, as I let the LSAT consume me for the better part of a year. It was only $99 and I fully intend to finish the course, but will it help me? Some people say they did nothing before law school (including the 3L I spoke to about law school, in fact, she TOLD me to just enjoy my last summer). I'm just worried about issue spotting, and Larry REALLY emphasizes the importance of being good at it. If I want to be ahead of everyone in my class, the sooner I can issue spot better than most, I'm ahead of the game, right? I know it sounds sadistic, but I'm just thinking about my future! I know most of you guys are still studying the LSAT and haven't looked past that, yet. If anyone has more knowledge/opinion, please don't hesitate to respond! Love you all!

So in this sentence which is the sufficient and which is the necessary? "The only kids with green eyes are the ones who wear red shoes." In this sentence, which is the S and which is the N? "Kids with green eyes are the only ones who wear red shoes."

Hi All!

For those who work full-time and study before/after/during (lol) work, I'm curious: How many PTs do you take per week and how do you schedule them?

I've been studying since January, finished the course in about March but have only taken about 10 PTs. I'm only able to take 1/week (usually on a Saturday) because I find myself unable to concentrate after a long day at work. I once took a PT on a Friday after work and my goodness, it was AWFUL.

I'm taking the October test and would really like to manage my time for PTs in the best way possible. Any tips?

Thanks!

JY seems to imply that on the actual test, the first questions (like numbers 1-8 or 9) are easy and get increasingly more difficult as you progress through the section. Is that a correct surmise on my part?

So I just took my first PT after 1 1/2 years of hiatus and was quickly reminded of a problem I've always had with this test...

As I'm taking it, I always feel a strong headache in the back of my head. I'm sure it's because of the position my head is constantly at (looking downwards to the test). Maybe that position does not allow proper blood flow to the back of my head? Not quite sure...

My question is (I assume many of you have experienced the same thing): What do you do to fight, control, or prevent this annoying headache you get when taking the LSAT?

Thanks so much in advance!!!

I just wanted to share a short version of my story. I decided I wanted to go to law school this past March. I picked up the LSAT Trainer and studied when I could. I work full-time and had other commitments so I didn't get to study as much as I should have or wanted to.

My goal was always a 160. I wanted to go to the local law school and a 160 was pretty much guaranteed to get in. I found 7Sage and my desire to get a higher score became greater. Fast-forward I got a 161 on the June LSAT with great help from 7Sage, logic games saved me as I went perfect. To be honest, I wasn't ready for the test. I was in the middle of a military exercise that required 16 hour days so I wasn't feeling good during test day already. I didn't study enough nor put the commitment I should have. I really want to retake it.

But on the other hand I got accepted into the school I wanted to go to and I'm starting next month. I just want to put out, anything you want is possible. If I can not even have the slightest though of law school in Feb of this year and starting law school in August..anything is possible. You've found a great resource in 7Sage. Just set your goals and go for it.

So thanks 7Sage, JY, and the community.

So here's the thing. According to NYU's website, their 25% LSAT is a 167. I got a 166. I have slightly above a 4.0 in my undergrad major, however, for a particularly hard major, and I also have relevant international experience (I've been to Israel, Mexico twice, and Tanzania. While I was in Tanzania, I literally sat down and talked, through a translator, to a missionary who was a native Tanzanian but worked on Zanzibar, about how he'd been persecuted, such as literally having his house burnt down for his faith, while he was sleeping. Now I'm organizing charity boxing to fund raise for him. This is just one example.) Also, I am really involved in my community, working at the homeless shelters, mentoring youth, regularly preaching at my Church, and have a lot of leadership experience (In high school, for example, I received a character award that my football team gave in honor of a player who had died.)I also have some internship experience with the DA. Lastly, I can be very sincere in explaining why I want to go to NYU. They have such an intellectually cosmopolitan and stimulating atmosphere, the #1 international law program in the country, and a number of intellectuals I really look up to who either teach there or lecture regularly (Peter K. Unger, Michael Walzer, etc.), and they also have the type of loan repayment where it's not unrealistic to work public or nonprofit sectors.

These are my weaknesses: I have a weak LSAT score, I don't know any foreign languages (and aspire to practice foreign law eventually, and specifically, criminal law in one of a couple developing nations), and I don't have any advantages going for me as far as legacy enrollment or affirmative action. Also, I need to figure out how to pay for this whole thing, and I didn't perform well enough to get any merit scholarships, at least as far as I know. Also, I have to work to pay for my school, so retaking the LSAT is a little unrealistic. That may make it sound like I'm disadvantaged, but I'm really not compared to a lot of people, and I'm not gonna sit here and go "well screw those people who get that money," cuz' honestly, a lot of people need it more than I do. I already know I probably don't qualify for any of that though.

PT52 BR Tonight at 8:30pm ET

Don't miss out on tonight's PT52 blind review group, featuring none other than the infamous ...

JY said not to feel bad about getting this question—one of the nastiest curve-breakers ever—wrong. But we are going to punish that question for its bad, bad ways and its subtle, devious assumptions.

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Does anyone know how 7sage assigns the difficulty ratings for questions? Also, when you look at the answers for a question, there are percentages associated with each answer choice. How are the percentages calculated? Are they based on the 7sage students who have submitted responses to those questions?

I do not see this test on the addon list yet ? Does someone know when it would be available.