In my opinion, and based off of what I've seen on these forums, PT 72, or the June 2014 test was extremely difficult. I scored 4 points lower than my average on it. Being that it was the June test one year ago, does anyone think the June 2015 test Monday will also be similarly difficult? The scale for June 2014 was graded easier (because of the harder test) than most June tests before it. I'm nervous.

It's all falling into place. I saved this test for close to the end in order to get a good picture of how I'll do on Monday, and in my PT I just hit a 171. I think Monday will go well.

Not only that, this was my first PERFECT games section where I actually did the substitution-equivalence! #winning

Reading comp was the usual point sink.. got -4, then -2 and -4 on arg 1 and 2.

Just gotta ride the wave baby.. keep this momentum

When you register with LSAC please, for the love of all that is good in this world, select NO when you're asked if law schools can contact you.

Otherwise, your inbox will be positively filled with the equivalent of desperate, drunk texts from a lonely ex. I swear I got one last night that read exactly like this...

"PLEASE! It's not too late! We'll still take you! It's June but we still need you.... Please?"

You think I'm kidding but let me assure you, I ain't kidding.

In all seriousness, good luck to everybody on Monday. Go, fight, win. Do the thing.

I called CSU to know the testcenter's conditions, but no one there knows where LSAT takes place.

Anyone take LSAT at CSU Hayward? If so, which building or room you took at and who proctors the test?

How would you guys translate this stimulus from words into symbolic logic?

Barf (SpaceBalls movie character) only goes to the ocean on clear nights, and tonight is quite a clear night. Thus, we can conclude that Barf is going to the ocean tonight.

I feel like I could run an Ironman in an Iron-Man suit. I feel like Spider-Man after he got bit by that radioactive spider from Charlotte's Web. I feel like Kanye West when he sees himself in the mirror.

This was exactly the boost of confidence I needed going into my last week of preparing for the June LSAT. Thank you, JY and the rest of the crew! This course was my only real preparation and it brought my score from the low 160s to where I'm now consistently scoring 175+.

If you're not where you feel you need to be, stick with the program and don't be afraid to ask for help. In college I was notorious for never studying, but I've put upwards of 200 hours into this test now and I honestly barely noticed it. This system is phenomenal, especially if you're someone like me who only vaguely knows how to study but loves learning.

Seriously, I feel like a champion right now. 180! What the hell! Never thought I was capable of even coming within ten points of that on a PT. Now I need to go to sleep (as soon as I run off this energy).

I know its a ways off but started to study for the LSAT. I purchased the LSAT Trainer. Should I read the book first then do 7 Sage or vice verse. I am a teacher so have all summer too study.

Most contrapositives makes sense to me except in the case of a negative condition, and positive reaction.

Can someone help me understand this example. (I don't think the rules are supposed to build off of each in this drill, so I've only listed the relevant one).

Scenario: A singer will perform, in order, five of seven songs: L, M, N, O, P, Q, and R.

"IF no L, then O." The answer (by negating and reversing clauses) according to a text book is "if no O, then L."

This doesn't seem true to me. There could be an L, but absence of O does not demand L. I have spent 30 minutes on this single example.

Help is greatly appreciated.

I have been working on Logical Reasoning and Logic Games, and I feel pretty comfortable with them. I still end up scoring in the 150's however due to reading comp. I feel like the only way to really improve is to do them and get them wrong and try to do better next time? I feel sort of lost. I have been reading the Economist and scholarly journals on scientific information to try and hone those skills as far as reading goes. However, I am not sure why I just cant make it work.

Any Tips?

Hello friends,

It sounds like 8pm EST works for folks (since we're doing the new BR cycle at that time) so I took a leap and changed the time of tonight's BR group to **8PM EST**.

1. PT65. Time it. Do it. Review it (if you can).

2. Join us at 8pm EST on Skype.

**PM me with your Skype handle**

Extra credit: Meditate upon this quote.

I've yet to take the 70-74 exams. Instead of squeezing in all five, I want to take and thoroughly BR 2-3 in the last week.

Does anyone know if any of these more recent exams have particularly difficult games or reading comp passages? I'm inclined to think that they're generally comparable in difficulty, but I'd rather focus on any 70-74 PTs that have very difficult or unusual games/reading passages.

Thanks!

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-72-section-3-question-07/

I've struggled with the newer (70+ ish) LR sections far more than I used to struggle with older tests. I have been pretty close to freaking out as of late because while I used to be able to count on LR to be "near perfect," my section scores in LR have been fluctuating wildly in the newer sections and I couldn't figure out what was causing the change.

Today while reviewing, I came to the realization that I couldn't really rely on my intuitive sense of the argument structure any longer. The arguments seem more convoluted, OPAs are mentioned initially in an attempt to confuse the situation (case in point, PT72, Section 3, Question 7... seriously, wtf).

After realizing this, I returned to my old method of clearly labeling the premises and conclusions in each stimulus and that *seems* to be helping. It has also helped me slow down a bit and I seem to have fewer reading errors. I've found myself relying more on the old grammar/indicator lessons (I should probably review those again in a bit).

I just wanted to share and find out if anyone else had discovered/thought anything similar. I suppose if you're nose for structure is already strong then you may be less likely to notice any change at all. LR in the mid-40's to late 60's was getting a bit formulaic, in my opinion, so I'm not really surprised to see this shift. They've gotta keep us on our toes after all.

Happy studying!

So I've finally started my long, arduous journey towards studying for the LSAT. Although it is tough with my son and I often think of how I had more energy and free time during my undergrad days, I am sticking to my guns and getting a little done each day. I started with LSAT trainer like many of you suggested and I plan to follow up with a 7sage course after I complete it. I am aiming to take the LSAT December 2015 (February 2016 the very latest). Feel free to comment if you too are planning on taking the exam at the same time. =) Anyway, I find it difficult to complete full PT's mainly because I am always interrupted by something my son is doing and if it isn't that I start late (like 10 pm at night) when he is sleeping and by that time I am too tired to finish the entire thing. Does anyone practice them by doing split timed sections half and half? I know it isn't the ideal way to practice but it seems like it the only way I would get a full PT done. In the weeks before the exam, I will probably just go to the library (provided that I have a babysitter) so that I can get the full experience. And blind reviewing on the same day? Lol. Forget about it! Between my son waking up, feeding him, getting him to go back to sleep, etc it's a lost cause. Anyone take the exam and blind review the next day? Any suggestions would be great!

and if so can you please show me? I want to star or highlight important lessons so I can review them quickly.

I've been studying for the LSAT since January; however, I had been using Powerscore for three months. Although I'm sure some might have benefitted from this prep, I didn't as much as I wanted to. It wasn't until late April that I started using Manhattan and have seen a great improvement!! I was supposed to take the June 2015 LSAT, but I'm almost certain I'll withdraw. I am just now improving and not near my target score yet (I am aiming for a minimum 160, and I'm now on the low 150s). Additionally, I'm only half way through the Manhattan course (it is very exhaustive), and I'm extremely confident I'll be closer to my target score by the end of the course.

I want to go into the exam feeling as prepared as I can. My friend who used 7sage along other prep courses (and also got a 172 and will be attending Stanford in the fall) recommended 7sage to me. I feel confident with most basic lessons pertaining the LSAT. With all of this being said, where should I start with 7sage?

Additionally, my main two challenges concern endurance and timing. On practice tests, the first two sections, I do decent (not yet where I want but VERY close). It's the last three sections that my brain starts to literally shut down. Does this happen to anyone else? What are your recommendations? I haven't taken as many practice tests (around 6-7), so it might be a thing I might just have to get used to. Timing used to be a bigger factor, but I'm getting better at it. I am still rushing on the last 5 questions on most sections though. Any advice for this as well? I KNOW these two things (especially endurance) are preventing me from reaching my minimum target score. All and any advice and positive vibes would be extremely appreciated.

Has anybody tried and found success with energy gels? (http://running.competitor.com/2014/07/nutrition/everything-you-need-to-know-about-energy-gels_44642)

I'm trying to find a 15 minute snack that will provide me the most amount of energy boost with the least amount of liquid.

Hi! I am scheduled to take the June test on Monday, though I don't think I will hit my goal score. I have been PTing 168-170 (but dipping as low as 166), and I really would like to get a 171-173. This means that I am going to give it a shot on Monday, but I am planning to take the test again in the fall or winter since I know I can still improve. I have only been studying for 3 weeks.

HOWEVER! My question is - if I purchased a course, would it be easily modified to take less time considering that I am already very familiar with the test? I lose most points in LG but can lose 2-3 in the other sections as well, but it seems like the bulk of the course is covering not-LG stuff which I don't necessarily want to spend weeks and weeks re-learning. Thanks for any advice that anyone can provide before I decide to purchase!

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-72-section-4-game-4/

So I was blowing through the games section of section 4 and then I got to this last game with about 13-15 minutes to spare. I saw that there were only two rules given and knew that I had to make some deductions ahead of time -- except I didn't know what they were. I tried to do as many questions as I could but realized I was missing something crucial (for instance, I saw that almost every answer choice had something about K-L but I couldn't tell if this was significant -- turns out, it kind of is). I missed every single question minus the elimination question for this game.

I'm curious as to what I could have done differently if I got this on the real test. Paging experts here: what would you do if you saw this game and realized you were missing the key deduction? How would you get yourself to see the game a bit differently?

I still find it intriguing that there is more weight placed on my performance in undergrad, versus grad school, so now I have to wonder: is it better to submit a LOR from an undergrad prof versus a grad prof, even though I've been out of undergrad for -- eegads -- almost a decade!?!

What say you?

Hello everyone,

I guess let me start with a brief overview of my story. I originally made the decision to pursue law school about a year ago. I prepped (and slacked off) all summer and took the September 2014 LSAT. Not surprisingly I blew it; I got a 145. But I tried to stay confident. I took a few months off to collect my thoughts and relax. I purchased the 7Sage course and the Cambridge packets with my Christmas bonus and started prep. I went pretty hard for a few months then I hit a standstill. I tried getting back into studying, but my brain was not focused enough for the LSAT. I felt guilty for not studying and I felt hopeless. I made the realization that I would have to put off school another year mainly due to financial woes, which was discouraging. When I first made the decision on pursuing law school, I wanted to start fall 2015. I turned 30 this year, I'm ready to get life going. I also had a lot of stressors in my life between work, school, and family. By Easter, I was in a deep depression (again). And I very nearly admitted myself to the hospital (again). So, I took a step back and said a big "screw you" to the LSAT. I got my meds adjusted, started one-on-one therapy, attempted to eat healthier, and increased my involvement in group therapy. I knew I had to get healthy before I could even attempt LSAT prep. So, for two months I haven't done anything related to the LSAT. I'm not all the way there but I feel like I am ready to start slowly welcoming the LSAT into my life. I know I am basically going to have to start from scratch but I feel better about that now. I feel like I can finally read about the LSAT and not feel despair.

I guess today I just wanted to share my story and see if anyone had any advice for my situation. I feel like I need to start slow perhaps do some logic games (my favorite and strongest section) to get back into LSAT "fun." I work full-time so I am fully aware of the stress this puts on me especially after what I've been through the last few months. I feel like that if I am just able to study an hour a day at first that is a step in the right direction. Of course I want to do more but I also don't want to wind up where I've been. Time management has been an issue. I also need to make sure I take the LSAT and my issues very seriously.

But I am looking at hopefully December for a retake. At this point, I'm definitely not taking it until I feel ready. I'll probably see how I feel in November if I'm not ready plan on February, if I'm not ready in January, wait until June so on and so forth. I'm hoping for a retake no later than June 2016 but we will see. My GPA is not too great so I need to score in the very high 160s to low 170s at least. And based off my BR scores in the past I think that is possible. Timing is the biggest issue on LG and some on RC, on LR practice will hopefully make perfect.

What I am thinking is maybe this weekend if I have the time take a timed diagnostic and BR it just to see what taking months off has done to me. I've taken the June 2007 PT so many times so I'll probably use some other random PT I've never taken. And then start back prepping slowly Monday.

I guess I'm just mainly rambling, but if anyone has any advice it would be appreciated.

I am just getting to the logic games part of the course with 7sage. However I did already complete the Logic Games Bible from Powerscore. I was wondering other people's thoughts on which service has the best (defined in whichever way you want.. quickest.. clearest.. etc) logic games diagramming method. Do you guys pick one or the other? Do you use a hybrid of the two depending on each game? Do you find yourself getting confused between the two? I'd be interested to hear different perspectives on this.

In the rest of my sections I'm doing great, I only miss like 3-4, but without fail for RC I generally miss about 10!! I know if I could master this my score would shoot up....I neglected doing all of the stuff in the course outline because I was lazy and for whatever reason told myself, "eh it's just reading comprehension...I know how to read." I was very wrong and now I don't think I have enough time to go all the way back through it. I was wondering if anybody had an advice on how to get at least a couple extra right - even if it means I'm still missing 7 or so. Please help! I am taking the test Monday so any and all advice would be awesome opossum. Thanks :)

Is section 3 of PT 72 unusually hard? I've been told that PT 72 is weird and I shouldn't be discouraged by lower scores on this test than the others. I'm working on LR and did fairly well on the first LR section of this PT but I did horribly on section 3. What are your experiences with this PT?

Hello. In reaction to Prep Test 72 Game 4 pimp slapping me, I wanted to start a topic regarding unusual game types historically that may be of some benefit to review for Monday. Add to my list if you can think of any I haven't mentioned so I can go review them.

Multi-layer/Pattern Sequencing - NOPST clans, RSTVY giving speeches first, JKLM exchanging work pieces

Circular Area Games - Planes flying over Zendu, Hospitals and Jails in certain areas

Other/Matching - Subway lines 1-6 connecting Green, Park, Urstine, Zephyr Airlines, Translators speaking Yoruba and Swahili

Crazy Hard Normal Game Types - Toy Dinosaurs, Snakes/Lizards, Jasmine/Vijay/others getting off the bus

will post more up if/when I think of them

Hey 7Sagers,

Someone sent this question to me and I thought you could help out! Here's the question:

If you don't mind, I wanted to get some real advice from you regarding my LSAT scores and law schools.

My first LSAT score was 160 (June 2014), and the second time I received 155 (December 2014). I applied to law schools afterwards, and got accepted to University of Illinois, and waitlisted on UC Irvine. I already signed up to attend the University of Illinois Law, but I am still hesitant mainly because I want to clerk for Supreme Court or get into a big law firm upon graduation, but I am afraid that the University of Illinois Law would not provide me with those opportunities due to its low school ranking (#41). Since my LSAT score went down the second round, I think I am afraid to take another LSAT to see my chances with higher ranked law schools next year, but if I could raise the score, I would like to take once more.

In my situation, what advice would you give?