The last 3 PTs I’ve done I’ve scored exactly -9 on all three tests. I don’t ever seem to do worse as in -10+ but at most I’ll come down to -7 but usually it’s -8/9. I have no idea what to do anymore to improve this section I feel like it’s holding me back so much. If anyone has any tips or just any advice on something I could try I’d be very thankful. Really frustrated at the moment with this consistently mediocre performance.

I recently took my first 2 PTs EVER after finishing the CC, and the entire time I took both PTs, I ran short on time. I was extremely anxious because I could already tell I wasn't going to score well, but after doing the blind review, my score jumped to the 160s both times, and now I'm very confused about what these scores say about me. On the one hand, I'm extremely, extremely disappointed in myself for getting a 137 but getting a 164 on the BR is confusing me lol do you guys think there is hope for me, or should I give up? What do you guys think the jump from the 130s to the 160s means? Am I just struggling with time, or am I lacking fundamentals? And what do you guys suggest I do to improve? Should I stop taking PTs and instead focus on studying the fundamentals, or do you guys think doing PTs will help me improve?

Hi,

I’m about two weeks into the studying process, I started with the 7sage syllabus and plan on working through it until the end. Is this the most advisable way to study/learn the material? I’m aiming to take the LSAT on the June date. What else could I be doing besides what I’m doing now?

I'm taking the January LSAT next week and don't know if I should still submit my apps before my score comes back. my PS is done, LOR are in, everything except the LSAT will be done. Is it bad to send in the apps if my score hasn't been posted? it seems like they won't even read it unless everything is there, but if I submit will my apps at least be "in line" to be read once the scores are released??

Hey guys,

Sorry if this seems a bit naive but I'm hoping there's a bit of 'secret sauce' to help me get over this plateau I've hit.

I'm taking the January LSAT and have been batting around -4 to -6 on the logic games (diagnostic was -14 score 155) and I'm looking to make the final push to try and consistently keep it to -0. When I do sections untimed I'm able to get 100% without breaking too much of a sweat but I'm over time more often than not. I haven't left questions unanswered but I have noticed that roughly 50% of the time I do have a time crunch when answering the final two questions.

For the games themselves I do get a useful and inference rich diagram complete but I do notice that sometimes I get tripped up on rules and that adds a bit of time to completing the diagram (usually no more than 3 minutes).

I've moved over here from Khan Academy. I'm gunning for 170+ but the last 5 practice tests I've taken have averaged around 164 with my lowest at 162 and highest currently sitting at 167. My LR scores have quite a bit of variance from -2 to -7 and my RC scores fluctuate from -5 to -3.

I'm drilling the specific question types I'm getting wrong on LR hoping to get the last bits to 'click' and hopefully keep that to -3 consistently. What's left is logic games which from my understanding have the highest ROI for the effort invested.

Any advice/feedback is appreciated!

Guys, I wasn't very anxious until I did my Diagnostic and scored 140. My exams in Oct. I work full time, and after work I start studying. I study roughly bw 4 hours a day during the work week, and about 8 hours on the weekeds. Is it possible to achieve a 165 by the end of September? Please be honest!

Hello,

I'm looking for a serious study partner. My previous experiences in 7sage trying to find a partner have been disappointing. People will stop responding messages which make it even more harder.

I live in the Bronx, NY. But anyone it's encouraged to comment. We can always meet online.

Hey guys I told myself that if I ever got a score I wanted I would write one of these because I benefitted so much from reading other people's journeys when I was studying and seeing what advice and wisdom they had. So here is mine, This is gonna be long but I think worth the read. Hope it can help at least someone out there. And if you want to skip my whole anime arc to look at section tips you can do that, it'll be at the end.

(Background)

When I started out I probably was something like -12/-11 in LR and RC and literally couldn't do any logic games at all. Also, I want to say I'm very intellectually curious but I'm not some genius at all. I think I'm just normal when it comes to intelligence, so keep that as a frame of reference. I'm a History Major so I had a decent base reading and writing, but I wasn't a good reader honestly and the LSAT would show me this (more on this later). I started studying the summer of my junior year going into my senior year. I did the syllabus and because of my low GPA, I had to absolutely crush this test. I eventually graduated with a 2.97 GPA from UF. Yea I know, I was a bad and immature student (especially my first year) who wasn't smart enough to wing it like others or like I had done in high school. With my bad GPA and feelings of guilt and insecurity over my college career, I knew I wanted to kill this test to not only give myself a chance at going to a good law school but hopefully one with some money paid off as well. I also knew I wanted to kill this test to prove to myself that I was smart enough and capable of being a truly great lawyer.

First Summer Studying (Full-time Summer 21)

I fell in love with 7sage from the start and didn't use any other website really. Let me just say J.Y. wherever you are I hope you are somewhere rich and happy because you deserve it. Anyways, my goal from the beginning was always the divine 170s. So when I started studying I tried to do it right. I took my time diligently going to through the syllabus and getting a good foundation. I literally did 100% of the syllabus and completed it very carefully and put a lot of hours in. This helped but also kind of didn't because of my planning. By the time I got to logic games and doing them over and over again to where I could start to get a grasp my summer was almost over... lol. Not to add reading comp and I knew ok I'm just not gonna be ready in time. Like I felt like even if I keep studying into the fall I could at best get a 160 and it would all get rushed and be a mess because classes would start up again and make studying kind of unrealistic/ impossible. So I delayed a cycle. And told myself that I would go into studying next summer with a good base and just know-how of how to study. I think this turned out to be a great idea.

(Some tips)

DON'T BE AFRAID TO TAKE THE TIME YOU NEED TO GET THE BEST SCORE YOU KNOW YOU CAN GET. It will be worth it and this test is beatable. Trust me, I and many others that are not as smart as you have done it. If you look at it from a purely monetary perspective this test is so worth it. You can literally earn 100,000 in tax-free scholarship money from doing well in this test and even something like 50,000 in scholarships from schools is very achievable. The only thing is, for most people, J.Y. is right; you should be looking at like a one-year timeline to get a crazy score like 170. This is just my opinion and I also want to say you know yourself and the type of student you are and if you are just really smart, or a really good reader already, have a good base and etc. THIS TEST IS VERY MUCH ABOUT KNOWING YOURSELF. I know a lot of people who study 3 months (not even studying that intensely) and get a crazy good score, but they're also the type of people I could see doing that. It is not really the norm I think, and I certainly was not like that although I've always really wanted to be that type of student.

(Fast Forward One Year) Summer of 22' studying full-time

So one thing that's awesome about this test is I think it really is like a sport, a very skill-based and technical sport like soccer for example. Meaning that your skills at this test won't just disappear when you stop studying and you kind of have the muscle memory and foundation after you've seriously studied. When I finished my senior year I started studying and after about a month of drilling I took a PT to see where I was at and I got a 159. I thought great it's early June I should start to see about a 3-point gain every month of studying and by August and September I'll be in the 170's... Lol anyone who has been through the fire knows how silly this is. Silly in the sense that I was in October ( 4 months of full-time studying later) with a fresh PT of 159 and a looming existential crisis. After my first PT that summer of 159 I struggled a lot to consistently improve. I was in the low 160's a lot. And my highest PT score was 168. I took an official LSAT in August and got a 157, took one in October and got a 159, but in November I got a 169 on an official LSAT. This is not normal my most recent PT up to that test was a 162. I don't want to sell any pipe dreams so don't think this will happen to you, I honestly got very lucky and blessed. Leading up to November, I was even ready to delay by another cycle and felt that I was just about to be truly able to dominate the test with some more months. But leading up to that November test I had now been studying 6 months straight plus a few months from last summer. I really did feel like I had it in me to reach that score. My blind review was really good to the point where I felt a lot like damn I could and should have gotten these and these right and that would have put me where I want to be. I feel like the more you put into this test the more you start to get a mastery over it and honestly loved that about it. I kind of miss it to this day. The test is just so technical, repetitive, and doable that the whole thing is really one big game. I think it's useful to think of yourself as an athlete when studying for a test. It might help you enjoy it more and I think it will let you avoid burnout

I want to talk a little about burnout and my experience with it. Dealing with this is what ultimately allowed me to get my goal score and not delay my application for another cycle. I was down in a bad rut leading to my November test. my last chance at a good score for me this cycle. There were bad nights when I cried myself to sleep and was questioning whether I was smart enough to be a lawyer. I felt like I was barely making any progress at all when I looked at my PTs. At the same time though I knew that I was a lot better at this test than that. I knew what I could do if I was in form on test day and confident. So for the last week leading up to November, I didn't study at all. This was a lot for me because this was the longest break I had taken in 6 months I think and fuck me did it sure pay off. In my opinion, this test is not a test of hustling and grinding. Like most things in life consistency is King. Yes, you need to work really damn hard, but you also need to have patience and be kind to yourself. There will be times when you will doubt yourself, when you will even question your ability to read, and when you'll ask yourself how you will ever be a lawyer. This is normal. Understand everyone in this test is on their own journey and NEVER NEGATIVELY COMPARE YOURSELF TO OTHER PEOPLE. You have to be kind to yourself and understand that progress is not linear. This is a performance test and not a knowledge test. But if you are studying right you will get better slowly but surely. Trust.

Ok that was my journey and now some general tips for how to study right: aka the fun part

LR:

-The most important thing about this section is learning how to dissect and digest arguments. A good LR taker will instantly recognize ok premise, conclusion, and premise and this supports this but this argument is actually hilariously bad for example this bc of 'X' oh and wouldn't you know that's answer choice B. Being able to read and analyze for argument structure is key and is how you should think about every question.

-When you're truly good you get this feeling that all questions are honestly the same.

-YES BLIND REVIEW RIGHT

RC:

-It is very important to understand the connection and flow of each sentence/ paragraph to each other and how it all connects.

-You will automatically become better at going through the questions and reasoning through them by watching the videos.

LG:

-Keep trying, and keep trying, and then still keep trying

-And then keep trying. Foolproof that is btw

-The whole "LG is fool proof"philosophy 7sage pushes is right in spirit but misleading i think. LG is still very hard. Even if you are amazing at it and getting -0 you can have games where you slip up.

-The most technical and straightforward section keep chipping away and honing your skills and eventually you can get to around to something like 0-2 wrong.

Well this has been a little embarrassingly long, but this test was my life for like almost a year cumulatively so idc. Ultimately I hope you come to learn more about yourself and grow as a person from this test like I have. And remember this is just some stupid test at the end of the day and it doesn't define your worth as a person or who you are. Hope you all reach your goals bc y'all are more than capable. Enjoy the ride sagers!

P.S. waiting to hear back from schools right now but so far I have gotten into FSU Law with a full ride ($62,000) and that's as a super splitter like me (2.97 169). Dream big and don't let your head drop! you just might surprise yourself...

So I am taking my exam in April. Does anyone know what day we will take the test? On LSAC's website it says the 14th or 15th but how can we reserve a testing room if we do not know the date or time? Also, does anyone know when we register for testing times?

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What makes AC C different from AC D? I would appreciate some input.

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When I do a game in a PT or a drill, I do it timed first, then again during BR, and if after BR I still am not at a -0, I take a few hours or a day and repeat the entire game untimed. If I can figure it out on my own (using my own inferences and my own gameboards), then I'll just go foolproof the game using my own strategies, rather than watching JY's explanation video. Am I wrong to be doing that? I'm wondering if this is preventing me from getting to a -0 as quickly. I have improved on my own though (averaging at about a -6), but I was just wondering if I'd be improving more and faster if I were to just always follow every single step that JY takes in his explanation videos?

Hello everyone, I want to ask if paper pencil form of lsat is exactly same as online test? (for example January 2023 lsat) questions are exactly same for online test takers and paper pencil takers? I applied for paper pencil form of exam, and I am just curious.

I got it right due to process of elimination but Why are sea turtles able to sense the magnetic field?

Hi all,

Quick question, when doing practice tests are you supposed to take all 4 sections, and do you BR all 4 sections or just the three scored ones?

Hi everyone! I need some advice/hacks on identifying necessary assumptions for weakening and strengthening questions. I have been stuck on these two sections for a few weeks now. I got so frustrated that I had to go to a different section because they have been holding up my progress. I am really struggling to come up with the assumptions myself. It's like when I ask myself what is the assumption, my brain freezes. Is there something that you've done to help make it click for you? Or could someone explain it to me like I'm 5? haha

#help

What do you consider your "average" score? Is it your most recent 5 tests? Most recent 10? Feel free to comment any specific thoughts.

Hello,

I figured I should write this to get a feel for what I'm doing wrong. I have been taking practice sections for LR, and have been stuck in the -8 to -11 range. Terrible, I know. I have been blind reviewing and I will maybe see the light on some of them, but others I stick with the answer I chose. I feel like I can't make certain connections with the arguments I'm seeing and I'm not entirely sure how to fix it.

After the explanation videos I have a clearer understanding of the argument and why the correct answer is correct, but I do another practice section and the same thing happens. I have been missing the questions that are at the 158 curve and above.

Is there something different I can be doing?

Thanks for any advice.

Can someone explain the grammar of the question stem, "The statements above, if true, serve LEAST well as evidence for which of the following?"

I'm having trouble understanding what it's truly asking.

Thanks!

Anyone have any tricky LR problems involving conditional logic that they've encountered and could share? Either individual problems or a list, if you by some incredible stroke of good fortune, you should have one, would be great.

Also, if anyone is interested in syncing up to work on some tougher conditional logic problems please reach out.

Hi 7Sagers,

I was hoping to get some help with J.Y's reasoning in one of the explanations videos. According to J.Y., the statement "as many people consume caffeine as consume any one of the other addictive psychoactive substances" means that the number of people who consume caffeine is equal to or greater than the number of people who consume other addictive psychoactive substances. I just don't see how that makes sense. For me, it would make sense to say that:

"the number of people who consume caffeine **is equal to ** the number of people who consume other addictive psychoactive substances.

Any thoughts? Or other ways to conceptualize this statement?

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I’ve been working my way through the syllabus top to bottom, completing every practice listed. However, I feel like by the 4th practice drill it’s too repetitive. I also feel like I’m just not focusing on the LSAT since there hundreds of hours between the first Prep Test and the next one on the syllabus.

Should I be taking Prep Tests more spread throughout the syllabus? Am I okay to skip over some of the practice drills if I feel like it’s overly repetitive? Should I just trust the layout and keep chugging along?

Hello! I plan to take the January 2023 LSAT, and where I live, the WiFi can be spotty sometimes. What would happen if during the exam, my WiFi goes out? Would I be able to resume the exam if it came back on, or would I have to retake it another date?

Thanks!

I can understand why answer choices A, C, D, and E are incorrect. What I can not quite understand is why B is right. Any thoughts?

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Can someone please explain to me what the difference is between AC C and D? I'm probably not mapping it out correctly, but C and D seem to have the same pattern of reasoning as the question stem. I chose D the first time but C when I did blind review and that makes me nervous.

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