Hi all,

A couple questions about the digital test:

(1) I've noticed that 7Sage's digital PTs differ slightly from the three digital PTs that LSAC has made available. Most notably is the option to collapse answer choices on 7Sage's PTs, an option not available on LSAC's PTs.

An LSAC representative told me that the format of the digital PTs that LSAC has made public is exactly like what we can expect to see on the test. I was hoping to confirm that here.

(2) Does there seem to be any consensus regarding the whole stylus-vs.-fingers question for ease of navigating the test? I’m not interested for highlighting or for using any other features, but rather just for scrolling RC passages and selecting answer choices.

Thanks for any thoughts, folks!

Say I got 90%+ of a test correct on LR and RC, but did badly on LG. Can I reset LG without deleting all the information with my original score?

I find it difficult to take answers off the PDF and have to cross out wrong choices on paper, however, I don't want to delete my test score and original attempt info.

Is there a way to do this? Or is there a way to only delete one section answers?

Hey everyone, just have a general quesiton regarding the fool proof method of logic games. Should I be also answering the quesitons when i fool proof games or just stick with set-up, inferences etc? I seem to find that by repeated game 5 or above the answers just seem to be too easy because i have basically memorized them at that point. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone!

My current plan would be to graduate from Bowen as it has low tuition and practice in Arkansas. So is this a case where I don’t necessarily have to go to higher tier schools?

I plan to apply for law school next year or the year after. If my school uploads my final undergraduate transcript now, will it be okay to leave it until I apply?

I also have not paid for CAS yet. Can I upload the transcript(and recommendations) before I pay? Will it remain in the system for the next two years? Thanks.

It's normally split into three tasks under each test, and now I cant find the videos? I have ultimate?

Im trying to look for answers to the LR questions from PT 9. Before the digital change, you could enter it manually or find them. Now, its forcing me to take the test digital first

Hello good people,

I've been receiving lots of PMs here and on reddit asking more details about the things I posted. Now that the shock has worn off, I'm going to take the time to give back and share some of the things I considered 'game-changers' in my prep. Hopefully it will help you too!

Today I'm going to share a conceptual framework for analyzing arguments. I believe this helped me limit LR mistakes and go -1/-2 sometimes -0 consistently. How? it helped me get the question types below correct most of the time, and it saved me time I would have otherwise wasted deliberating between wrong ACs and still got them wrong anyway––time I used to get to the other questions I would've otherwise never got to.

It is particularly useful for STRENGTHEN/WEAKEN/NECESSARY ASSUMPTION/SUFFICIENT ASSUMPTION questions (all the fun ones!)

Here is it:

Traditionally on 7sage, we look at arguments from the 'vertical' model:

A––>B

A

–––

B

As I progressed on my prep journey, I started to also look at arguments as such:

1 + 1 = 2

(Math? what the hell?!?!) stay with me!

As we know, arguments are PREMISES ––> CONCLUSION.

The mistake we commonly make however, is to attack the premises or the conclusion. That's what we do in day to day conversations. These are the type of LSAT errors that are so frustrating because you know they're wrong, but you're stuck between 2 ACs and you decided to go with the one that 'seemed right' but deep down, you knew something was off.

So, let's look at it again.

1 + 1 = 2

When you are asked to analyze an argument, you NEVER attack the 1s or the 2. Those are the premises and conclusion.

Rather, you attack the = sign. That is the support

In LR, i'm constantly telling myself, "BE SENSITIVE TO THE SUPPORT [STRUCTURE]" so I stay disciplined and stick to what the question type demands of me by addressing the = accordingly.

Let's run through the types:

WEAKEN

Task: you pick an AC that weakens the support [the = sign]

Approach: So you look for an AC that adds a -1

1 + 1 (-1) =/= 2

Great! you just weakened the argument!

STRENGTHEN

Task: you pick an AC that strengthens the support [the = sign] In other words, you further affirm the equation-relationship or block premises that undermine the 'equation'

Approach: You look for an AC that blocks a potential weakener, a (-1), or you look for an AC that further affirms the relationship like a (+1)

1 + 1 (+1) = 2 (or more––so it affirms this relationship)

or you see that -1? yeah that's not applicable like -(-1) which is: 1

Great! you just strengthened the argument!

NECESSARY ASSUMPTION

Task: you pick an AC that the equation (=) NEEDS to remain 1 + 1 = 2.

Approach: Find an AC that enables the equation to hold. How? by blocking competing premises that would subtract from your premises (1+1) and destroy equation's ability to = 2

These are similar to how you do STRENGTHEN, and it's something the Ellen's LOOPHOLE really made clear to me

If I made an argument like:

"X washing machines are better than Y washing machines, because X washing machines dissolve soap detergent faster than Y washing machines"

A loophole would be something like: "wait, what if the rate at which washing machines dissolve soap doesn't matter in evaluating the quality of a washing machine?"

a NECESSARY ASSUMPTION blocks this by saying: it's not the case that (the rate at which washing machines dissolve soap doesn't matter in evaluating the quality of a washing machine) OR it matters.

Back to our equation:

"what if -1?"

and you negate it so: -(-1). which is 1. so the equation remains protected.

But hold on! what about the negation test? simple. If you applied a NEGATION to your AC, the -(-1) or just 1, what do you get? a -1

which is: 1 + 1 (-1) =/= 2 which destroys the argument

Great! you just found the NECESSARY ASSUMPTION!

SUFFICIENT ASSUMPTION

Task: you pick an AC that ensures the equation (=) works

Approach: You look for an AC that is sufficient to make the premises = conclusion

Say you are given

1 ____ = 2

You need a: (+ 1) so 1 +1 = 2

Great! you just found the SUFFICIENT ASSUMPTION

Notice how we NEVER consider poking holes in the premises (1s) or the conclusion (2). Rather we ALWAYS address the SUPPORT (=)

Why so abstract? because if you can see pass the details and understand what you are being asked to do on a simple abstract level, you can sift through the often confusingly-worded ACs and find the right AC confidently and quickly.

Also, are you starting to see how all LR questions are really just similar versions of each other? it's how you can easily turn a weakening question into strengthen, into an NA, or flaw, easily.

I hope this was helpful!

Feel free to PM me if needed!

The Real Mike Ross

I just had dinner with the Admissions director of my local law school (social friend) and she said the logic games are going to be shortly dropped from the LSAT? What is this? I stop lurking for 2 months and now they have plans to change the darn test??

Is this option still available for visually impaired?

Hey guys,

I need a lot more practice on necessary assumption. I wen through all the video but still doesn't feel comfortable :/ where do you guys go to find more questions to practice?

Hey all,

took the October lsat and waiting on baited breath.

I'm having some transcript confusion and was wondering what you all thought.

I spent the first 3 years of undergrad at an unaccredited institution with a 4.0 GPA

I then transferred to an Accredited college (who accepted those credits but without GPA) and will be granted a bachelors by the end of this year. The issue is I just started at the accredited place and don't have any transcripts from them yet.

Basically I'm wondering if I just send LSAC the credits from my first college (the unaccredited one) will they count that as a real GPA.

Thanks 🙏

When I review the answers (either in the examples or the problem sets) there is a small chart representing all answer choices with the correct answer highlighted. If I hover my pointer over that chart, I see percentages for each answer choice along the bottom, and what looks like LSAT scores for each answer across the top. What do these percentages and scores refer to?

Thanks!

Hi everyone,

I am confused on how to react to my latest LR section score. Under timed conditions, I scored a 7/26 (-19). Horrible. I know. But my Blind review was 17/26 (-9) which is not good but significantly bettter than -19.

Now for the question part of my discussion post. What do I make of this score? How do I make my BR score my timed score?

Thank you,

Anyone attend this school or is attending this school? I am considering looking into it but concerned if its worth it. If I can do law I would do private practice, immigration, family law or personal injury are the main areas I am drawn too.

Anyone else having troubles with the website? I printed a couple LSATs last week and I did one this week but now there's no where to enter my answers. Every preptest link just brings me to the digital tester (which I don't find helpful at all, i'd rather print and do paper practices). Is this a glitch or was there some update I'm unaware of?

Even if i go to analytics, there's no tab to enter scores.

Hey 7sagers,

since two days ago all of a sudden I cannot use the small gray button that looks like a magnifier underneath "Question QuickView" besides the question number to see the question again after I score a PT. I use that for all the questions I got wrong, just to reread the stimulus and think through it before looking at the correct answer, so this problem has caused a lot of inconvenience. I tried clearing cache but the problem is still there. Has anyone experienced a similar problem? This happened around the same time when the new functions like "printable", "convert" and "delete" (in red), and I have never had any problem with seeing the stimulus again using that small gray button before. Can anyone help me to fix this? Since I don't want to know which answer is correct, it's been really painful to have go back and forth to see just the stimulus.

Thanks!

#help I was wondering what a good number of law schools to apply to would be? I want to be sure I give myself the best chance, but also make sure I am reasonable as it is an expense to submit an application each time. Thanks!

I'm trying to begin the LG foolproofing, and I've seen a bunch of mentions about the LG Bundle. I know it has been taken down, but I have access to the PT's so was thinking of making a custom set to replicate the questions.

However, are there any specific questions / PT's that come later that you all think would be well-worth adding to the first 35 PTs to foolproof? Or should this suffice for now.

Thanks so much!

Hi everyone,

I have the LSAT ultimate+ package and just finished the core curriculum. I'm feeling a little overwhelmed with all the materials I have to work with. I know I should foolproof the LG bundle, but after that how do I best utilize all the practice tests I have? Which tests should I use for taking whole practice tests? And which number tests should I use to drill timed or untimed sections?

I'm planning on taking the LSAT in Summer 2020 (most likely in July) which gives me around 9 months of study time.

Thanks for your help!

They've just disappeared. What happened??

My plan is this:

Make a Google Calendar where I log the times I studied that day, as well as a brief description of the key points.

I would love someone to do this with me. Studying alone has been so miserably isolating. This would be a great, non-intrusive way to look at what each other are working on and reach out if we see some extended lapses in studying.

Would love everyone's input and help! I have taken the lsat twice, 148 first, and 153 second. My cum gpa is 3.1, while my major gpa was 3.6. I got into Rutgers and wait-listed at Northeastern last cycle, denied from schools in top 20. I have a strong record of public interest work at a public defenders office, where I've worked since college. Do I reapply early before December (if it would help my chances), improving everything but my LSAT, or wait to January, take the LSAT, and apply at the final deadline (worried with my numbers that this would hurt me)? I work fulltime and need to ensure I have the enough study time to improve over 5 points, and hopefully score in the 160s. Goal schools are BC/BU. Please help!

I am going over the LR flow chart. Step 0 is to idenify the stem, step 1 is read the stimulus, step 2 is asking is there an argument...my question is this... once i complete step 1 and identify the task shouldnt that tell me if an arguement is going to be there? For example: weaken/strengthen/ main point/ etc pretty much anything that is not strongly supported or inference questions are going to be arguements. So if the stem is a MSS or Infernece then i can eliminate step 2, right? Ive never seen a MBT or MSS with a real argument, but then again i havent seen all questions.

Is anybody else finding this to be the case with all of their PT explanation videos? How do I resolve this?