Hi all,

I feel so honored being able to finally make a post like this but damn does it feel good!

I got my score back from the October Asia test today and got a 174!

This is my personal best. I scored a 164 on the June test and had several 169s and one 173. Looks like I peaked on test day!

I never took a true diagnostic but scored a 153 untimed when I took the June 2007 test before beginning my journey. Guessing it would’ve been in the 140s timed?

I have so many people to thank for supporting me, but I especially want to give a big shout out to:

@"Lucas Carter" @"Cant Get Right", Rav, Alex divine, Jon Denning from powerscore, Ellen Cassidy from Loophole, and the Jedi master himself, JY

This community has been so supportive and helpful throughout my 1.5 year journey. I’ve met so many wonderful people. I really couldn’t have done it without the 7sage community!

Some tips and info for posterity:

I used 7sage and the Loophole for my prep. The LSAT trainer did not help me that much. I think combining the Loophole and 7sage methods helped me get to -1/-2 averages on LR, sometimes even -0.

@"Cant Get Right" method on skipping and moving on when you hit a certain expected value prediction helped me limit time wasted.

reviewing the common flaws daily on quizlet, with LSAT question examples, helped me quickly identify flaws and not waste any time

doing half a section of timed LR sections daily, from sections I have already done (odd questions one day then even questions the next) helped drill pacing, skipping, and my LR approach.

deep dive BR and then thoroughly reviewing, setting questions I just didn’t really get aside in a binder and then revisiting until I got them

practicing translating RC passages into my own words and then being very strict with my POE process in the questions: eliminate inaccurate ACs and picking the ones that required the least assumptions

repeating “be sensitive to the support” as a mantra on every LR question so that I would stay disciplined and attack the gap rather than the premises or conclusions

Lastly, worry about getting good before getting fast!

Best of luck everyone!

The Real Mike Ross

Hi

I know it's very last minute since applications are due in 4 hours. But is anyone willing to take a quick glance at my personal statement and provide feedback? I wanted some last and final feedback before submitting the applications.

Thanks in advance

Quick question: Should professors use our first names in LORs or is that considered too informal? @help

Hello! I'm in the home stretch of studying and looking on how I perform on RC sections, the only questions I continue to get wrong are the Main Point q's and analogy questions. Does anyone have any general tips for these two, specifically?

For example on the analogy questions, I often get down to 2 AC's but there is some nuance I miss that leads me to narrow it down but often choose the wrong one. Same for the MP questions.

Sorry if this is vague or often-answered, just been seeing a pattern and I can't seem to shake it

I have been studying LSAT for 7-8 months, although had just recently joined 7sage and realized how much I have progressed in Logic reasoning. I am now more structured and can breakdown LR question pretty well. However when it comes to answer choices, I tend to pick the most tempting answer choice for the 1st round! I am most of time able to pick the correct answer during blind review. e.g. I would miss 6-8 in one section in 1st try, and miss only 2-3 during BR.

Can anyone offer comments on how I can close this gap? Thank you in advance!

I took a testing here, and I have to say, it was very well done. We were placed only a few people per table, so every other chair was left empty and every other row was empty, too. They divided us up into three separate, smaller rooms. I think fewer people in each class room really helped keep the rooms quieter. Their chairs were super comfy, and the temperature was perfect. Would recommend!

Hi

I am currently scoring 160~ and looking for a study partner who is scoring around the same and wants to have an online study group?

Please let me know asap!

Shania

Does anyone know of a resource (or just have examples off the top of your head) that has info on good schools that are likely to offer large scholarships. I have a 3.69 GPA with a 168 on the LSAT in September (retaking in November and hoping to break 170) with fairly strong work experience, but given my careers goals I'm thinking I may be better off trying to get a really good scholarship at a very good but not elite school rather than hoping to sneak into the bottom part of the T-14 somewhere. My understanding for example is that WUSTL often offers full rides, but I'm having trouble finding good info if there are other schools in that general range that will frequently hand out big amounts of money. If so, would be great to try and apply to as many of them as possible. Thanks so much for any help you can provide!

Hi 7Sage community ,

I joined the community to have access to the games videos that were going to be taken down but I swear I read somewhere on this site that we would need Premium and up once they are removed. Unfortunately I can't seem to find where I read that to verify. Can anyone confirm that premium is needed?

Thank you :)

I am a bit worried because I have studying rediculously hard for logic games and I hear that they might be on the cutting room floor? Any chance that it might be come november? Its my best section.

Hi guys,

I am looking for a tutor for the LG section, in particular, for MISC games. If anyone thinks that is their strong point, or if anyone knows someone where that is the case, please DM me.

Thanks so much!

#help

Hey guys! Need some help on study strategy! This is the classic panicked rant of a desperate man but at this point I'll try anything to improve lmao.

I'm taking the November LSAT in just under a month and am scoring consistently in the mid-160's. My last five PT's ordered sequentially from first to last have been: 167, 165, 160, 164, and 164 respectively. I would love to break into that upper 160's/low 170's zone as quickly as possible as test day is getting closer but it seems I can't quite get everything to come together at once.

My LR averages around -5, and RC is averaging around -3. Previously my LG was always around -10 but I really targeted that, as it's supposed to be the easiest section on which to improve. Today I got my LG down to -3, but LR went up to about -15 total... Does anyone have any advice on what my next steps should be? I don't seem to consistently get any one type of question wrong. All the questions I get wrong seem to just be higher in difficulty. I want to be extremely clinical and precise with my study habits over the next week as test day approaches, so if you've got any advice that would be huge! Thanks! :)

Hello! I am looking for a reliable study partner who wants to improve RC via forming the habit of active reading.

JY emphasizes the importance of active reading in CC, and there are excellent resources about the specifics of active reading (https://classic.7sage.com/webinar/active-reading/ and https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/6354).

I am planning to take the March/April exam. My current RC score is around -8 to -5, and my target is -3/-2. Ideally I hope we can "meet" once or twice a week on Skype. I have a very flexible schedule -- either mornings or evenings works fine for me. Please let me know if you are interested!

The LSAT was the last hurdle for me in order to get into law school, and because of that, it was the exam I dreaded. I was petrified of getting a bad score and having all of my hard work go down the drain after working hard after four years at university. Because I amped up the LSAT so much, I had extreme anxiety over it, and made it seem like the most important thing in my life.

So after graduating and receiving a Fulbright, I started studying around May of 2018 towards the end of my Fulbright. I came home in June and was rushing and thought it would be a good idea to take the sept 2018 LSAT. Despite having a concussion and having personal things happening in my life that were impacting my mental and physical health, I took it, thought it did okay, and kept the score. Then, my worst nightmare had come true- I had done extremely poorly on the exam, at least 10 points below what I was PTing. After that, I entered a deep depression and even questioned going to law school. Then I began to talk to people on 7sage, who encouraged me to keep going. I knew that first score didn't define my abilities, and that I could do better if I studied the right way. About a year later, I took the September 2019 exam and received a 169 - 21 points up from my diagnostic which was a 148. I went through so many tutors and so many resources that I feel my experience would be helpful with someone who is still in the process of studying, so I want to share some things I learned here:

1- Dont EVER listen to people who doubt you. I drove my family crazy being so obsessed over this exam, and if it was up to my family they would have let me settle for a mediocre score. I also broke up with my significant other because he thought I 'studied too much' and I am not sorry about it. You need people who believe in you.

2- This one is especially for girls. I have always performed really well academically but with the test I was a literal mess; i lost sleep, lost like 12 pounds and was not okay most of the time while studying until a couple months ago. (side note- taking care of your mental health is very important) Even when I had studied hard and knew I put in the work, I always thought I did bad. You need to have confidence in yourself. By and large women are vastly under-confident as compared to men, and obviously this has to do with societal factors and gender roles but practice confidence. A book that helped me do this was called the confidence code. read it. The moment I started to believe in myself is when I stopped having so much anxiety.

3- Try your best not to depend on other's explanations. I started improving when I stopped depending on explanations so much and really trying to ask myself why is this answer right? In the beginning JY's videos helped me alot cause you're so unfamiliar with the exam and its helpful to see the structure of the questions, especially for LR. Also do not use anything else for LG and conditional reasoning except 7sage. It is by far superior than any other resource I have used so thank you 7sage and @J.Y. Ping love u ;*

4- LEARN ARGUMENTATION AND CONDITIONAL REASONING. I cannot stress this enough. Every LSAT stimulus has some logical structure underneath all those words. For example, If I say P then C, you need to know what I am assuming is P ---> C, and then questions will have you weaken, strengthen, or call out that assumption (known as flaw questions).

5- UNDERSTANDING IS KEY. A huge game-changer in my score was the Loophole, by Ellen Cassidy. Ellen is literally amazing, and she taught me that the most important work you will do hinges on actually understanding what the argument is doing/saying. What helped me was reading her book, and then doing an exercise where I would only look at the LSAT stimulus, translate it into my own words, and ask myself: what is wrong with this argument (also known as a loophole). You have to have to be engaged in the stimulus and the loophole is how you do it (if you want more info read her book it is honestly worth every penny). You need to understand that most of the arguments on LR are flawed, and those loopholes are really assumptions that the questions will have you attack in different ways depending on the question type. Dont rush straight to the answer choices before you understand what is going on in the stimulus. Once you understand the assumptions being made in the stimulus and just what is really going on, it becomes must easier to delineate the wrong answers from the right ones.

6- Take this exam seriously. My Fulbright and my work in the US focuses on working with refugees. Alot of the refugees I worked with abroad have literally no rights and do not have access to education. I'm going to law school to change that but you and I have a huge privilege of even getting the opportunity to attend any college at all- something that the refugee women I worked for didn't have the opportunity to do. So if all else fails, have a light at the end of the tunnel. Keep the end goal in mind. Whenever I doubted myself, I remembered the individuals who this law degree was going to be for and that kept me going. I remembered what a privilege it was to even have an education in the first place, and felt grateful. Practice gratitude, and make this journey about something greater than yourself.

7- Dont listen to anyone who says you can only improve by a couple of points because that is a complete lie lol

8- Lastly, I just took the October exam because I am hoping for a little of a higher score. I love the LSAT so much and really want to help people who feel hopeless about this exam because honestly you CAN do it!!! I promise. So I will be offering tutoring for people- if you are interested you can DM me (3(/p)

The LSAT changed me: it made me more patient, a more careful reader, a more critical thinker, and a bigger believer that hard work pays off if you are really dedicated. So thank you 7sage for being on this journey with me and helping me along the way; My journey is officially over!!! (3(/em)

Hi all!

This might be a silly question, but the applications online aren't that clear and the admission offices haven't replied my emails. Does anyone know if we have to order transcripts (from our post-secondary schools) and have them mailed to the desired law schools directly? Or do we have to pick them up/have them mailed to us first, then mail it out to the schools ourselves?

These applications exclude the schools in Ontario. I'm aware they go through their own application system.

Thanks so much and any help is appreciated!

Hey everyone!

I'm taking the November LSAT, and am in the final push for studying. I've gotten my LR and LG consistently up to -0/-1 but the reading comp section is absolutely killing me. Do ya'll have any suggestions besides just practicing to improve active reading and memory? Thank you!!!

Im testing a while from now and dont want to burn through all the recent PTs. Can one legitimately improve LR by using the really old LRs? Anywhere from 1-20?

Hi everyone!

I know that there is an abundance of forums related to podcast suggestions, however, I was hoping to hear suggestions that can be found on Spotify versus iTunes/Amazon/Google/etc. I have seen JY's suggestion for Radiolab/Planet Monkey and Pacifico's suggestion for audio books, just looking to see if there are any others on Spotify that you guys enjoy listening to! In search of podcast that can subconsciously help when reading topics in RC or LR. Thanks!

I am not a student, but a parent, and I am appalled at the lack of professionalism and inhumane conditions my son was subjected to at the DoubleTree Hilton Hotel in Binghamton on October 28th, 2019, after months of preparation for the LSAT. If any student feels the same please speak up and write the LSAT a complaint letter, and post here as well. I will be taking actions.

This is completely unprofessional, inconsiderate, and inhumane.

If this was outsourced, or operated by employees of the administrating board, actions should be taken.

I've just discovered the problem sets and have been using the question bank to redo logic games. However, even though I flag the questions I get wrong, whenever I make a set, none of my flags show up. There are just dashes for all of the games, which I don't seem to able to change.

How do you pin an entire game, instead of just a single question, so that it shows up in the question bank?

Also, does anyone know how to edit a set once it's been made? As in adding or removing more questions directly? As of right now, every time I've wanted to make an edit, I've had to remake the entire set from scratch.

Hey 7Sagers, I'm leading BR calls for PT 88 (September 2019 LSAT).

There will be 16 sessions total.

All sessions will be from 2 - 5pm ET. Please see detailed schedule below.

What happens in these sessions?

For LR, I'll ask you to state which questions were circled for BR. We'll work through the questions the group nominates. If we run out of those questions, I'll select questions to cover. This BR call will be audio only.

For RC, we'll read the passage together, paragraph by paragraph. I'll ask you to make low resolution summaries of each paragraph. We'll use those low res summaries to build higher resolution summaries. Then, we'll answer the questions together. This BR call will be audio only.

For LG, we'll read through the game setup, determine the appropriate game board, translate the rules, then tackle each question. This BR call will have a visual component.

How should I prepare?

Have a clean, unmarked copy of the PT ready in front of you so we can read and answer the questions together. Please wear headphones and try to be in a quiet place.

Will these be recorded?

Yes, they will. If you cannot make it, you will be able to find the recordings of these sessions for up to 1 month after the session. Look under "Past Sessions" below. You do have to be enrolled in a full 7Sage course to access the recordings.

Next Session

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Join Zoom Meeting

https://zoom.us/j/548935484

Meeting ID: 548 935 484

Dial by your location

+1 646 876 9923 US (New York)

+1 408 638 0968 US (San Jose)

Find your local number: https://zoom.us/u/abmYGXOXir

Future Sessions

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Obtaining PT 88

If you have an Ultimate+ account, you will be able to view and print PT 88 under the Syllabus. If you are enrolled in Starter, Premium, or Ultimate, you can also purchase PT 88 as an add-on to your existing course here.

Past Sessions

Friday, November 1

Section 2 - LR, Questions 1 - 14

Recording Qs 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14

Saturday, November 2

Section 2 - LR, Questions 15 - 25

Recording Qs 16, 18, 21, 22, 24

Sunday, November 3

Section 2 - LR, Questions 1 - 14

Recording Qs 12, 9, 5, 8

Monday, November 4

Section 2 - LR, Questions 15 - 25

Recording Qs 23, 20, 17, 15, 19, 21, 16, 18, 25

Tuesday, November 5

Section 3 - RC, Passage 1 - Complex societies

Recording

Wednesday, November 6

Section 3 - RC, Passage 2 - historical novelist

Recording

Thursday, November 7

Section 3 - RC, Passage 3 - bacterium Vibrio cholerae

Recording

Friday, November 8

Section 3 - RC, Passage 4 - absence of international statutes

Recording

Saturday, November 9

Section 1 - LG, Game 4 - accountant client meetings

Explanation

Sunday, November 10

Section 1 - LG, Game 3 - flower arrangements

Explanation

Monday, November 11

Section 1 - LG, Game 2 - museum artifacts

Explanation

Tuesday, November 12

Section 1 - LG, Game 1 - animal rescue

Explanation

Wednesday, November 13

Section 4 - LR, Questions 1 - 14

Recording Qs 10, 13, 11, 14, 4

Thursday, November 14

Section 4 - LR, Questions 15 - 26

Recording Qs 22, 15, 26, 18, 24, 16

Friday, November 15

Section 4 - LR, Questions 1 - 14 (and also Qs 15 - 26)

Recording Qs 15, 21, 26, 20, 12, 14, 20, 22, 24, 13

Saturday, November 16

Section 4 - LR, Questions 15 - 26 (and also Qs 1 - 14)

Recording Qs 14, 21, 25, 17, 4, 1, 23, 11, 7, 16, 19

With less than a month until the Nov LSAT, I'd like to make my PT's as "real" as the real thing. Any advice on this? I will be using an iPad.

Thanks all, and happy studying.

Looking for online study buddies for January test.

Hey 7Sagers,

Here's the official October 2019 LSAT Discussion Thread.

**Please keep all discussions of the October 2019 LSAT here!**(/red)

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