Hello Everyone,

I started using 7 sage in the beginning of March, and although I printed out my study guide, I quickly decided that there was no way on earth I could advance at the suggested pace. I work full time and travel for my job, but I have been devoting as much time as possible to studying. I am still on the LR section (just finished Principal questions) and I am wondering two things: 1) am I moving too slow for a person who wants to take the LSAT in November 2019?, and 2) would it be better to do some LG's in between some of the LR's? I am not getting burned out per se, but every time I think, OK, I'm getting this stuff and the test might not be so bad, I then think, crap, I haven't even started the LG and RC sections. I studied for the LSAT a while ago, so I am familiar with all sections, but I really want to make sure I get EVERYTHING before moving on. Just worried that I might be spending too much time on LR's....so, should I push through LR's and then trust that by taking PT's I will get sufficient practice and start becoming the expert I yearn to be? Or am I doing the right thing by taking my time at an OK pace?

Looking forward to your responses, and thank you very much!!

Hello,

I am struggling with compound contrapositives. I know that when negating, you also have to switch the and/or. However, what about the use or absence of "but not both"?

Example from February 1999, link provided at bottom:

Two conditions within the problem are listed below:

If yews are not in the park, then either laurels or oaks, but not both, are in the park.

Original: ~Y-----> L or O

Contrapositive: ~L and ~O -----> Y.

If it is not the case that the park contains both laurels and oaks, then it contains firs and spruces.

Original: ~L and ~O ----> F and S

Contrapositive: ~F and ~S. -----> L or O

This second rule doesn't include the "but not both" but it seems to diagram the contrapositive regardless of the "but not both" piece's inclusion.

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Thank you,

Lindsay

Hey guys,

When using the negation method for necessary assumption, are both negatives negated if the sentence contains a double negative? For example, in the sentence "it is not the case that Amy never goes to the movies", would the negation be:

or

Thank you!

Hi folks we are getting closer to the June LSAT date.

To help you prepare I am Inviting you to BR all of PT 84 with me on Sunday morning.

I will go over the entire PT and host a BR/Review session for all sections.

Along with discussing why the answers are right and how to tackle the questions I will have an added focus on how to do the questions quickly, under time.

We start at 10:00 AM in the morning.

Meeting online on Zoom:

Join here https://zoom.us/j/513392294

Who am I:

I am a fellow Sager who recently scored a 170 on the March LSAT thanks to 7sage. To pay it forward I am hosting weekly BR's every Sunday until the June exam to help my fellow sagers achieve a similar score or higher.

Hey all just a quick question are we supposed to Blind Review the whole practice test or are we supposed to just do the logic games part. I just took my first practice test and I am not clear on that. also does it matter if you blind review a day later or should you shoot for doing it all in one day?

Hi Everyone,

I'm new here (second day studying for the LSAT) and I'm just wondering how important the CC/theory is in order to progress? I'm a computer engineering major so I'm not really used to a lot of theory. Don't get me wrong, we of course discuss concepts and theories, however, the way I've been learning the past almost 4 years now is to jump in and start solving problems right away. If I'm struggling with something, the answer is almost always to just keep solving as many problems as you can until it clicks. This, by the way, has worked well.

All that to say, the LSAT is completely different than anything I've been doing for my degree, I honestly don't even remember the last time I was asked to read a passage and answer questions on it or solve a problem that didn't involve the heavy use of math.

But after doing a couple of untimed LR sections, I'm kind of getting the sense that just jumping in and attempting problems probably isn't going to work for the LSAT. This is kind of scary to me, it's something that's worked so well up until this point.

I've taken somewhat of a logic class before (discrete math) but the logic on the LSAT seems to be a much different type of logic than what I learned in that class, so unfortunately I don't know how much help that will be.

Anyways, just kind of wanted to reach out and see if I could get some opinions on how important it is to go through the theory lessons JY provides. I don't want to keep attempting LSAT sections and get discouraged by lack of improvement if there is indeed a better way.

Sorry for kind of rambling.

Thanks,

Ryan

@"Adam Hawks" @drbrown2 @TheDeterminedC

Guys, thanks for your help with my previous question about RC. I need more advice/assurance/tough love. My target score is 165+. Before deciding whether or not to write in June 2019 test, I wrote three PTs as diagnostic in the first week of study. I got 164(PT39), 171(PT45, supposed to be easy one), and 164(PT72). I thought that with ~25hr/week of study for 12 weeks, I should be able to hit my target score of 165+ safely. For some time, my goal seemed attainable. I did seven PT50s with average of 167(with only one below 165).

But now, I am getting more and more frustrated. Here are my recent PT scores with PT65 from today.

PT75, 167

LG(-2), LR1(-2), LR2(-4), RC(-6)

PT73, 165

LG(-2), LR1(-9), LR2(-3), RC(-5)

PT76, 162

LG(-2), LR1(-11), LR2(-4), RC(-7)

PT77, 167

LG(-4), LR1(-2), LR2(-4), RC(-6)

PT65, 163

LG(0), LR1(-6), LR2(-9), RC(-8)

For PT76 and PT65, RC sections were very difficult for me (i was not able to finish the last 2-3 questions). In both cases, an LR section followed. In both cases, I was lost during the LR: I spent a long time to finish the first couple of easy questions, I forgot about the strategies I suppose to implement (such as negation test for NA, etc.). The only thing I remember was trying to finish the questions. Well, I bombed the LR sections as well.

Besides wonderful suggestions about review/BR, any advice on how I should use the rest of two weeks more effectively? How can I prevent the after-shock effect of a particularly bad section?

Thanks.

Help me decide which school to put a second deposit down to.

My background: I’m almost 15 years out of undergrad. Worked a little over half that time as an electrical engineer and international project manager for a global company on oil & gas projects. Travelled / ran a few businesses including a physical location business for the remainder. Now have a wife and almost 2-year-old toddler and live in Houston. Have a house with a mortgage here. Applied to 15 schools, didn’t get into the 3 ivys I applied to, but got in to remainder (including a couple of top 20s) and waitlisted at a couple of top 15s. Have narrowed it down to 4 options, mostly based on practical considerations. Most of my immediate family lives around Texas (Austin, Houston, and Dallas). Am contemplating IP law, but am not 100% sure if that’s what I’ll end up in. Wife is a school teacher.

In alphabetical order:

• Emory with $36k/yr scholly with ’19-20 tuition ~$59.5k/yr full-time. Requires relocation to Atlanta.

• Houston with $11.5k/yr scholly with ’19-20 tuition ~33.2k/yr full-time. I live about 15 minutes drive from the school.

• Seton Hall with full-tuition scholly for their weekend part-time program (requires 8 alternative weekends of classes and 1 weekend for finals per fall & spring semester over 4 years). Will have some travel costs associated with it such as flights and 2 nights of hotels 9 times per semester, but will allow me to make a living while I go to school. (Night part-time programs don’t work as well for me for other reasons, so I didn’t consider them).

• Texas …. Currently wait-listed with ’19-20 tuition ~$36.8k/yr full-time. I believe my chances of getting in are decent. For this exercise, give me an opinion assuming I did AND didn’t get in. I’m assuming that there would also be some minimal scholarship provided even if being accepted off of waitlists based on various online sources. I grew up in Austin and my parents and sister’s family still live there – so Austin is also another ‘home’ for me.

Struggling with this decision and could really use some opinions / insights. Thank you!

My first few practice tests I have gotten two 161s. Although I do well on the LR and am sure I will do well on the LG when it comes time to take the test, I am having great difficult with RC. I cannot get through all of the passages in time. I usually only have 4 minutes left by the time I start the last passage. As a result I miss around 10-11 on the RC. Does anyone have any advice on how to improve speed without sacrificing accuracy?

I just downloaded the 7Sage app and I'm curious what to set the background and distraction levels to in order to simulate a realistic exam setting. I usually study in complete silence, but this isn't how it'll be when I take the LSAT in July. Any suggestions on settings would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

I just took PT79 and got around 10points lower than my regular scores.

When looking at a flaw argument, could there be two or more possible flaws, such as a combination of self-contradiction and unwarranted prediction?

Hi guys, I’ve mostly been a lurker on the forum, but now that my cycle is officially over, I wanted to share a little bit about my LSAT journey and methods. It might not help, and I am no way attempting to plug my study methods. This is just for reference.

My LSAT journey started out in 2016 with the Blueprint Games book. I spent a whole semester on and off familiarizing myself with the games section and going through the book. I took a lot of notes (which in hindsight was not very helpful at all). Then, I learned about 7Sage and purchased the starter pack. At the time, I was still in school full time (STEM major) and working part-time as well, so not a lot of prep time for the LSAT. I was PTing around 160-164, and because I wanted to head straight to law school after graduation, I decided to take the test and wing it. Definitely do not recommend this. I did horribly and did not finish four of the five sections. There was a terrible game section that I believe was an experimental. There was a game about beer companies and different types of beer that I completely blanked on. Got my first score back, it was barely over 160 and it felt like my whole world was ending when I decided to take a year off to study and better prepare. Now looking back, the year was totally worth it, both in terms of the score increase and my mental health. I was able to focus on my classes and enjoy graduation without stressing about the LSAT.

After graduation, I tried a few different approaches to learning the LSAT. Velocity LSAT, LSATHACK, Powerscore, LSAT trainer, etc. In my humble opinion, and everyone is different, I think my score increase mainly came from perfecting the games section, and that I have to attribute that to 7Sage and Blueprint. I preferred using the Blueprint method when drawing diagrams for games and using 7Sage when it came down to reviewing the games. My diagramming technique ended up being a blend of 7Sage and BP, which I found super helpful.

The Blind Review method was very good for the LR sections, but didn’t really do much for me in RC. There were just always a few questions in reading comprehension that I got wrong regardless of how long I looked at them. I honestly don’t think I ever mastered RC, which is my my final score wasn’t as high as it could have been.

In summary, this is what I think worked for me:

NOTE: I would recommend trying to memorize the formal logic component like the back of your hand, but also understand that it is only a small portion of the points, and that grasping the skill of finding the conclusion/supporting claims and being able to figure out the logic gap is the most important part of LR.

It took me about three to four months of full time study after graduation to get to 177-178ish blind review scores. I averaged 170 during the last few PTs (PT80-84) and I barely made it over the mark on the actual test. Although I did hear multiple people say the test I sat was super super hard, I don’t really think it would have affected my score too much, maybe 1 0r 2 point upward fluctuation?

I don’t think my method was actually the best or the most comprehensive, and I honestly don’t know if I can say that I succeeded on the LSAT, but I did end up somehow getting accepted to Harvard (after much struggle and the most awkward interview of my life), so I think that it might be safe to say the LSAT is just one (albeit very important) component of your entire application.

Honestly, this is such a supportive place. Special shoutout to @"Leah M B" for answering so many of our questions. Hope everyone can get into their dream school!

So my average section performance according to 7 sage, is about -5.5 in LR -9.3 in LG and -7.3 RC. I've taken four practice tests this time around. I found 7SAGE and spent significant time on the fundamentals this time. Really boosted my LR score, although the harder questions at the end always get me. I first tried to study for the LSAT a couple of years ago and score a 153, despite scoring around 160 before. Could be nerves. Do you have any advice on what I should do the next two weeks? I know they say logic games is learnable but would I suffer from only focusing on that going forward?

I just started the Ultimate+ course yesterday and I'm wondering if I should be using some other study content along with 7sage or should I do that once I'm done with the 7sage core curriculum. The weekly hours for ultimate+ based on my schedule is already 45-50 hours/ Week so I'm just a little confused if I should be adding some other content with this. Thanks in advance!

The T-14.

It seems like no one talks about anything else. But where did this term come from and what does it actually measure?

https://classic.7sage.com/about-those-rankings/

I just started the core curriculum, at what point should I start using blind review?

If I should I be using it for the problem sets at the beginning, then how long should my timer be?

I have two weeks and I feel so under prepared and anxious about this test. Good news is I’m taking it early so if need be I can retake it. Anyone else had limited study time? Any tips?

Hi everyone, i'm new to 7Sage and wanted to ask if there is a limit on how many copies we can print of the same PT?

Hello friends,

I was stuck on this question for a long time, trying to figure out what is going on. In the end, I think I got my head around it. Can someone check my work please?

The conclusion : To protect public from erroneous info ---------> Medical Research Findings are public.

It seems like:

Conclusion : C ---> A

The answer choice (A) seems to say B ---> A, which is the missing link. Then everything chains up nicely.

C----->B (-----) A.

Am I stretching what the actual words are saying to fit them into the clean logical chain?

Please help me :(

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Hi,

From January to March 2019 I studied using 7sage and ended up with a 169 on the March 2019 LSAT (which was a huge improvement over my Sept 2018 score of 157). I am extremely happy with my score, but decided to retake in July.

I have not studied in a month and a half, so these next two months I want to be as effective as possible. As of now I am planning to do roughly a practice test a week, followed by blind review, as well as fool proofing for logic games.

Any advice on how I can achieve this last bit of progress?

Also, how helpful is filming your prep test?

Thank you

Hi everyone! I have consistently read that the recommenders should be academic but can be work related if you have been out of school for some time. I graduated undergrad in the year of 2015. Now that I have been out of school for 4 years, I have been working, starting as a barista and am now the General Manager to one of the top stores in the company. I am planning to have two of my previous professors write letters of recommendations, however some people have mentioned that I should have the CEO of my company write a letter, considering he hand picked me to run the store that I am currently working at. I am unsure if asking him is the right thing to do. I am not one to name drop (not that his name is huge) but that is how I feel it would be if I asked him for a LOR. I am convinced the two professors I have chosen will be able to write about my strong academia and talent that I presented through the classes I took. Any thoughts? Am I too far out from college to be focusing more on finding a work reference?

I think I am FINALY done with my essay! Its taken me so long to finish it. I've reworked it so many times and had so many things to write about but I think I'm finally done. So far I have a good friend and a lawyer friend reading it. I will also probably have someone from David Busis' team read it. Is that enough? Should I ask more people for more comments and critiques? What have you guys done? I just need it to be perfect. Thanks.

Can anyone help me out with some good study techniques for tackling the Logic Games section???? Should I start by practicing the initial setup and then tackle the types of questions after???? This is by far my worst section for the test.

Thanks!!

Hi,

Is there a way to open up all the Blind Review fields with only 1 button press? Currently, I am individually clicking on the 100 question numbers before I can enter the Blind Review score.