Even though conditional logic seemed easy when I went through the CC, it continues to trip me up on harder questions, so I'm reviewing some basics:

To have a valid conditional statement, the SOME or MOST statement must come first followed by the ALL statement. (You can't conclude ANYTHING if the ALL statement comes before a SOME or MOST statement.) So A some B->C, therefore A some C is valid. Also A most B->C, therefore A most C is valid.

In a valid argument, the conclusion must be true. Basic valid argument examples include affirming the sufficient (A->B, A, therefore B ) ; denying the necessary (A->B, /B, therefore /A); transitive property (A->B->C, therefore A->C).

Other valid arguments show us instances where one thing (A) arrows out to two other things and there's therefore overlap between those two other things:

If A->B and A->C, then B some C.

If A->B and A some C, then B some C.

If A->B and A most C, then B some C.

If A most B and A most C, then B some C.

Invalid arguments mean the conclusion doesn't have to be true. Examples include affirming the necessary (A->B, B, therefore A); denying the sufficient (A->B, /A, therefore /B), and putting the ALL statement before the MOST or SOME statement (A->B some C, therefore A some C OR A->B most C, therefore A most C).

Other invalid arguments show us that we can't conclude anything from 2 some SOME statements:

A some B some C, therefore A some C (transitive property does NOT apply to SOME statements)

A most B most C, therefore A most C (transitive property does NOT apply to MOST statements)

A some B, A some C, therefore B some C.

You cannot take a contrapositive of a SOME or MOST statement.

Quantifiers have specific meanings on the LSAT that are often counterintuitive. Some is the trickiest one because it means at least one, but could be limited to one, and could go up to all. Be suspicious 😒 of ACs that use any variation of some, such as sometimes and somewhat. Always ask, “just one??” Many sucks too because is the same as some; it is not MOST. Few means some are, most are not. In most cases, we're talking about 3 or 4, but we can think of the range as up to 50 because more than that is MOST.

Would like to jump on the call and ask several questions. Thanks!

If someone is not admitted to law school because of a low LSAT score, can they use the same exact application for the next cycle with a higher retake score? Assuming they had a solid personal statement and LoRs. Thank you.

Do you take it at home? Im not sure I am understanding when and how it is administered.

143 to 173

Thank you JY, I couldn't have done it without 7Sage. And a big thank you to Jonathan Wang, Mike Kim, Daniel Sieradzki, Josh Aldy, Patrick Tyrell, Graeme, Alex, the people in my study group, and many others.

150 on diagnostic to 167 on September. Thank you so much 7sage!! For those out there who read the comments/threads that say you can’t really improve your score, it is possible. Take your time, study the way you need to, and don’t worry about what others say. Handle your test anxiety, relax, and you will be surprised by what you can accomplish. For me, I finally needed to realize that this test did not define me. When I finally said “screw it,” my score improved significantly. You got this!

I have a pretty embarrassing situation from when I was younger.

Wondering how much detail I need to go into about the actual sequence of events.

I have an optional addendum document written out explaining this entire period of my life.

Thoughts?

Happy to give more details in private messages.

Thanks--

Kat

My stats are 165 LSAT and 3.94 LSAC GPA

I don't want to retake right now because I am leaning towards going to a school that would give me a scholarship; however, I was thinking to apply to NYU for more options.

Not sure whats going on... Usually when I do LG from super recent tests like 80s and 70s i get -2 max. When I do games from older tests I can usually get the games right in under time and all right. Recently just did 63 and 65, the games definitley arent hard. I went -5 and -6 which I dont think i have done since I finished the CC. Is this a horrible sign or emergency? Im freaked out

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Hi guys im pretty sure these kind of questions were asked many many times.

but somehow i had to let it out too.

i started the journey about a year ago but when i started i was just browsing and getting to know what lsat was

since i have a fulltime job i'd just drill here and there (didnt know 7sage back then) and started committing this july

July-Aug mainly finishing CC and drilling, Aug-Sep PTing i took about 5PTs

and i took sept test, score was lower than i expected but nothing really surprising since i bombed LG the one that im good at.

I was just whining about my score to my bf and how i felt 2months of intense studying might have been ,timewise, not enough,

in response, i heard something shocking from him saying that

'its just a standardized test the longer you studying does not mean you will get better (somepart i agree), 2-3 months of studying should get you where your maximum potential would be at (i disagree)'

as i was studying i started to learn and see the patterns, flaws and gaps i could anticipate the answers before i read AC. A clear sign that much room to improve.

well i know his opinion shouldnt matter since it's coming from someone hasnt done LSAT

(he is super smart ;p and i guess most of his lawyer friends didn't take very long to get a good lsat score so he thinks it's easy)

but its somehow very discouraging coming from someone very close to me. Also making me think i might not be meant for this path.

anyhow long story short,

my problem is this emotional rollercoaster is tackling me to focus, i registered for NOV so i have no time to waste

please help me to get out of this deep self pity hole.

and the other tips im asking is my reading is very slow

my TImed pt and BR score gap is huge sometimes by 20 points mostly because i cant finish in time.

i know reading speed boosts with time and practice

RC i can never get to the last psg but the psgs i read id get -0~-2

thanks for reading my lame ranting

i usually deal with it by myself but this time i needed someone or somewhere to talk to

pleas share any thoughts and advice!

One year out of undergrad, 4 different legal internships, strong LR

Hoping I'll be able to use it as a PT before I take in October!

Walked away from the September LSAT with a 166. My GPA for my best three years is a 3.86 and a 3.92 for my best two years. Planning on going to school in Ontario. Should I write again in October?

My last 15 PTs have all been over 170.

Hi there,

Is there a suggested list of games to foolproof by game type?

I know JY did it for in/out games here: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-33-section-4-game-2/

Does something similar exist for the other game types?

#help

I may have missed this somewhere in one of these lessons, but correct me if I'm wrong -- "unless" introduces the sufficient conditions?

Hi! Does anyone know how to customize the study schedule to NOT include areas we have studied already?

No. Didn't break a 170.

Just wanna leave a short message and shout out for J.Y., 7 sage crew and all 7sagers who have helped me grow in this journey.

Diagnostic 133, after over 3 years of studying finally scored a 169.

It's been nothing but blood and tears but the result is worth it.

Now seriously debating on retake..really just wanna be done with it after all those years of grinding this thing but you know the dilemma...

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

So I know this is a tough flaw question.

With tough questions like this - I almost always double check line 1 with the conclusion at the end, because there is always this jump that somehow (or a lot of time is the fall)... routinely with never in this case.

However, knowing this - I just don't understand/struggling to translate AC D.

I know B C E were just pure garbage to me in the beginning. I was left with A and D. A is wrong b/c of domain jump of "avoid chaos" - we do not know what accomplishes this.

Any help would be awesome... thanks

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University of Michigan 2L AMA

About me:

To make a long story short...

7 Sage and specifically the Pacifico Attack Strategy helped me make a good LSAT score great which enabled me to get a $50,000 a year scholarship to the Top 14 school in my home state of Michigan as a KJD.

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/2737/logic-games-attack-strategy/p1

1L year, I received some fairly ordinary grades which were slightly below median while enjoying learning from some excellent professors and with my extraordinary peers some of whom I consider among my closest friends.

I was not sure if I wanted to pursue a public interest path or seek a firm job. So I applied to some firm positions in a kind of half-hearted way and didn't even get an interview. The first unpaid public interest job that I applied to, a job at the local Public Defender's office, immediately gave me a spot with no request whatsoever for grades or an interview. In part, because you can represent clients on the record in court in Michigan with the Public Defender's Office, I took the job. I financed my summer with a $4000 loan available to all 1Ls that I would only have to repay if I made a certain amount of money combined in my two summers.

At the end of summer, I went through Early Interview Week and despite bidding the least grade selective firms that I could and focussing heavilly on Michigan firms where my ties should have been appealing and interviewing with 25 firms(the max for our EIW), I received 0 call backs.

Since then, I have continued to apply to firms and cold-emailed many with minimal success.

I had only received any further interviews through OCI which has continued to have smaller firms and employers visit our campus.

However, I recently applied to a clerkship position during the academic year with a small firm in the area on Symplicity where employers can post job openings. After sending a follow up email, they immediately offered me an interview later in the week. After the interview which I thought went well, they offered me a position(paid, relatively sparsely compared to Big Law) during the academic year and the upcoming summer. I immediately accepted.

If that eventually turns into a real job, I'll count law school as a success because I have kept my debt pretty low(both through the scholarship and by commuting from my family home now) and will be able to pay it off with even a moderate salary. Within a year or so, I'll have paid off my debt as long as I'm making some money. So, I won't be trapped by debt and will hopefully be a happy lawyer.

That basically brings us to the present.

Ask Me Anything: I'll answer if it doesn't reveal my identity too much more than I already have.

I always look forward to the thank you posts from everyone who scored 170+ after each test cycle. This isn't that post. lol. I actually did better on this September test than I expected but I still didn't hit the coveted 170. I was disappointed for a brief moment but then I remembered where I started. I remembered what I thought was possible and I've already exceeded all of those expectations. I'm not a particularly good standardized test taker. I've had to overcome serious testing anxiety and commit to studying for this test while working full time. So for anyone disappointed that they fell short of their dream score, just remember the score really isn't everything. In my opinion, the journey is much more important. This September test was brutal, but there's a lesson to learn. Even if you think you bombed a section (shit, even if you KNOW you bombed a section) you owe it to yourself to finish strong and take the rest of the test one question at a time.

THANK YOU JY and the whole 7sage team!! I'm over the moon, literally didn't believe my score when I got the email.

While it may not be feasible in the immediacy, in the future would 7Sage be able include in its School App Checklist whether or not the GRE is required to submit if you’ve taken it in the last 5 years even if you’ve taken the LSAT?

Harvard has required this since they started, and I’ve now been told Penn does as well. Someone else heard NYU too. I take it this is a hugely important detail for graduate student applicants like myself because it takes 10–15 business days for the ETS to send it to the school. That’s a fairly big difference in terms of submission timing! :)