Hello everyone,

Kind of in a tight spot. Have taken the LSAT three times thus far. Based on my most recent score I would still qualify as a reverse splitter for T14 schools. I’m trying to weigh my options of applying among the T14 this cycle vs a 4th take in July and how that might look. I underperformed my PT range by about 5 points on the June 2018 exam. Above 75th GPA wise but sitting around 25th for LSAT.

I have read various posts about the upper limit for the number of takes but I am still searching for some advice.

Not sure if most simply would simply base their position off plugging the numbers in LSN and judging off there, but I am somewhat concerned about how a fourth take would look.

Any advice is appreciated,

Thank you all

Tears. That's how this all started and feels like that's how it's just going to keep continuing.

The thought of wanting to be an attorney never occurred to me as a child until I had to sit through the medical malpractice case after my dad passed away from a doctor's stupid case. I was 12 years old, bawling my eyes out and in order to stop making a fool out of myself, I decided to concentrate hard on our attorney's opening statement. I fell in love with the field after that. Ask me about any SCOTUS decision, and I"ll tell you the rules they used, the dissents, and the facts of the case.

Flash forward 9 years later, I'm in my room, bawling my eyes out at my LSAT score.

Kind of funny, isn't it? The irony of it all?

It's so freaking frustrating.

I have a UGPA of a 2.88 (upward trend to a 3.45 by the end of my last year) all because I had a severe case of iron deficiency anemia (that had left me bruised up all over at one point) that went undiagnosed and left my brain constantly feeling foggy/ wasn't able to concentrate. Once I had the ability to see a doctor (thanks, Obama) I was diagnosed and that's where you were able to see that upward trend in my grades.

My first lsat was a 149.

My second lsat was canceled because the testing center was loud.

My third lsat was a 148 (I'm fully convinced this was a bubbling error)

My fourth? a 152.

I've ran local and statewide campaigns, have an impressive resume that ranges from AmeriCorps to non-profit work. I work at a law firm now. Helped organized food drives for our homeless community. Have a clean background.

I freaking LOVE the law. As much as everyone hates it, I wish I was in law school. I envy everyone that is.

Why is this so difficult?

I just .. I don't know what I"m doing posting this, but I guess I'm just looking for advice. Words of wisdom. Anything.

Much love to the 7sage community. You all keep me sane, nonetheless.

Happy Grey Day everyone and best of luck. No matter the result, you're all winners in my eyes.

In the Blind Review topic, J.Y. talks about cutting out certain questions that you get wrong. Is there a summary anywhere of when to do this? He talks about doing this a lot, but I don't think I'd be able to remember when to actually do it.

Hi everyone. This is my first time posting a discussion.. and I'm a little nervous. But anyways, here goes nothing. Does having a graduate degree make you stand out when applying to law school? I can go to a local university, be done in 2 years, and with my mom being a Professor I wouldn't pay. I am already taking this year off to study for the LSAT and I'm looking to take it in November.

Good afternoon,

I received my June LSAT score today. My score was 159 and my current GPA is 3.87. Here is some data about the University of Georgia's applicant pool from last year https://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/SchoolsABAData/SchoolPage/SchoolPage.aspx

I will definitively retake, but this was a positive test take for me and I am not sure how much I can improve at this point. With strong LOR's, PS, and GPA, but a mediocre LSAT, how far behind the blackball will I be of receiving acceptance to UGA if I don't improve my score?

Thank you in advance! I hope the June test treated people well. I'm so thankful for the helpful 7Sage community.

Hey Sagers,

I currently have the starter pack and I am about 1/2 through the games portion of the CC. I am pretty solid on games. The section where I think I stand the most to gain is LR. RC is not that strong however I have made some big improvements. So I am not too concerned with RC. Also, I think RC comes a little easier when you are proficient in LR. The dilemma is whether or not to upgrade. I have two copies of PT 7- 50s. So it really comes down to the drill packs, PTs 60-80s, and the explanations. The extra PTs will cost somewhere around $70. The upgrade is $570. So I'd be paying $500 for the explanations and the drill packs. JY's explantations have been very helpful more so than the Manhattan and Powerscore forums. I am taking the September Test.

Has anyone been in a similar situation and upgraded? Was it worth it?

Also are the RC explanations of the same quality as the LR?

Thanks!

I took the June 2018 LSAT and scored right at the low end of where I want to be. I plan on retaking in September. Any advice on how best to prep in the next couple of months? I feel like I set myself up really well for the test in June and I am out of fresh PTs to use. Thoughts?

Do you guys ever feel that by studying really hard for the LSAT you are "sneaking" into a school where you don't belong or don't deserve to attend? I was thinking about this last night on my drive home...

I could delay my apps, take another year to study, and achieve an elite score in order to get into a T14... But when I get there, would I be surrounded by a bunch of naturally brilliant people who achieved a 170+ with little effort? I started worrying, "how could I possibly contribute to a community of people who can achieve with minimal effort, a task that took me maximum effort?!"

This isn't something that I worry about deeply... I just thought it would make an interesting discussion since I'm sure I am not the only one who has encountered feelings of self-doubt from time to time.

Seeking insight from people who have experienced this for themselves.. If you spent a very long time mastering the LSAT and gaining admissions to a top notch school, how did you fare as a 1L? Did you find anything that surprised you about your classmates? Did you suffer from Imposter Syndrome? If so, how did you overcome?

So guys, what were your verdicts? I'm curious to hear the stories/vents... has anyone taken a step back, and has perhaps consider the GRE as an alternative? Or are you guys more motivated than ever to show the next test that you're going to destroy it? Regardless. I'd love to hear from anyone who is willing to express their experience from today!

Anybody else?

Hey all,

So i know like 90% of LR weaken and other questions attack relationship btw premise and conclusion.

But some actually attack the premise. I just did PT 48.4.23 -- it's a weaken EXCEPT question, and one of the weaken answer choices just wrecked the premise. the question is correlation causation, but one one weaken answer choice just said that the correlation actually doesn't exist (effectively wrecking one of the premises).

I've done a couple other weaken questions where they go after the premise.

What are some of the traits of questions/arguments/stimuluses where the premise is attacked?

is it just for correlation/causation questions -- where you can wreck the correlation? or is it also for survey/data questions, where you can just wreck the survey/data?

Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated.

thank you!

Just got the email says there is a hold on my score. The only thing i can guess is i printed too big when copying that paragraph

Anyone who recently took the lsat (or is just studying for it) been having stress dreams? They’re driving me crazy and leave me more tired than the night before. Anyone care to share theirs?

Hey guys. If you're using Pacifico's LG strategy are you supposed to watch JY's video explanation of the answer choices OR just the way he set it up etc. after your 1st attempt, before taking out your 2nd copy to attempt?

For those of you who are planning to take the LSAT this September and want to apply early this cycle (I'm thinking early/mid October), how are you balancing prepping your materials (particularly your PS/addendums/diversity statements/Why school x? etc. and your study time? I'm planning on dedicating the majority of my time to the LSAT but also don't want to end up freaking out when Sept. 9th comes around if I don't have any solid drafts prepped.

When is it appropriate to send a "Why School X" essay? Are there any T14 schools where one should send such an essay along with the personal statement even if it's not asked for or are they for if you get waitlisted?

I started studying for the LSAT in early March and just recently took the international June LSAT. In the weeks leading up to the test, I consistently PTed around 168-171 (worst at 167, best at 176). During the real test, however, I panicked on the reading section and ended up completely guessing about 8 questions. Reading is already my worst section, so, if I take into consideration my usual scores in each section, I think I would get around 162-165 for this exam.

If I am considering only the T14 schools, would it be better for me to cancel this score and attempt 170+ on the next exam or just accept a low/mid-160s score and then attempt a 170+?

It's an undisclosed test, so I really wouldn't learn anything new about my performance by keeping the score. Canceling, on the other hand, already seems like an admission of failure. I'm not sure what the law schools would think. What do you guys think?

So I'm leaving active duty next year, but my husband is staying in the military until retirement. He has limited location options for his assignments, which unfortunately really limits my law school options as well. My question is, should I make some mention in my "Why School X" essay about how family circumstances are part of the reason why I want to attend that school? Or is just a really bad idea to even mention that?

I'm trying to decide whether or not I want to write my LRS on timed sections or if I want to do them in my head. What do you do? I'm trying both out but just curious to know what everyone else has done.

I love working in a combination of both independent study sessions and group study sessions. That comprehensive experience really helps me understand the material in all perspectives. So please join me in a Skype study group if you would like. Comment below with your score and your weak section type and strong section type. Also comment your availability.

My average score is 160, my highest score being 164. My weak section is LR and my strong section is LG. I'm kinda so-so on RC. My availability includes week days from 6 pm - 10:30 pm. Saturday and Sundays from 10 am - 3:00 pm (sometimes later) and again on weekends from 6 pm - 11 pm. I work so any other time is really not feasible, but don't be afraid to meet up together without me. You don't have to show your face or even expose your voice in Skype if you don't want to. Just really live feedback and discussion would be great.

Once you comment, I will message you individually and we can all study together. If we have enough members, hopefully there will be someone online whenever any of us would like to study.

Hope to hear from you guys :D

Hey guys! I hope you're all doing well! I just wanted to ask if any of you guys take anti depressants and if so, if it affects your studying at all? Or if anyone has suffered from depression and anxiety and how that fared with preparing for this test. I'm asking because although I have been taking an antidepressant (wellbutrin/dopamine reuptake inhibitor) now for over a year, my doctor has recently prescribed to me an SSRI, serotonin medication. This actually isn't for my depression as I've been pretty content and not depressed for a while now, thankfully. But this new medicine is to help me treat my OCD. I ask because SSRIs are typically used to treat depression.

I've had my prescription filled for my new medicine and haven't taken it yet. I wanted to hear if any of ya'll have prepared for a big test like this while taking antidepressants and battling mental health issues since they affect concentration, sleep quality, appetite, etc. Also, I know this is a sensitive topic so I am sorry if anything said in this thread is offensive! xx

Proctors: There was a main proctor who spoke, and multiple volunteers to make signing in, handing out and handing in materials go very smooth.

Facilities: The college is nice. It's huge and modern. We had some issues with people getting in without a key card, however, so those of us who found a way in early had to keep opening the doors for everyone else coming to test, until security showed up and fixed the door. Bathrooms were just down from the testing room, and there was some seating while we waited (although not enough once everyone arrived).

What kind of room: It's a very large classroom or presentation room with tables set end to end in rows. Sound didn't echo, so that was nice. It was extremely quiet.

How many in the room: 100+

Desks: They were tables set up end to end in long rows. The seats were like padded folding chairs and fairly comfortable. There were number placeholders, and you went to your randomly assigned seat based on what number you received.

Left-handed accommodation: Yes. They moved left handed testers to accommodate them.

Noise levels: Super quiet.

Parking: There was free parking available on site.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: I got there very early, so I'll just say what the actual testing experience seemed to take. About 5 ½ hours.

Irregularities or mishaps: They let some people in with hoodies, which I thought was not allowed? A student had to leave (emergency?), but then tried to come back after we had started filling out the paperwork portion. They handled it appropriately and did not let him come back in, as once you leave like that, you aren't allowed back. I think some of the volunteers walked the aisles at some point, so that was a little weird.

Other comments: Overall, it was great conditions for testing. Very quiet, comfortable enough, and there was enough room. Once we were all seated and settled, we were allowed to space out or move if there were empty spaces in our rows. That helped significantly.

Would you take the test here again? Yes

Date[s] of Exam[s]: June 2018

On average, how long does a strong LR student spend reading the stimulus and question stem before looking at the answer choices? In general I spend more than a minute on a question before I get to the AC's... (i'm new to timed LR)

I ran out of time for a few questions which is making is suspect so.