Just want to reach out and see who would be interested in meeting up to take timed exams on Saturday mornings in Chicago? I have a car and can drive to most places to meet. I'm sure we could find a quiet place or library and have a timer (or the 7Sage online proctor) on the table while we take the exam together. I know I usually struggle getting up every Saturday morning to take a timed PT, but being able to sit for one in a group would make it much more likely for me to accomplish and make me better prepared for test day. I'm sure I'm not the only one struggling with timing and taking timely PTs. I'm also open to meeting people throughout the week to do in person BR for the PT we completed.

I'm registered for the June 2018 administration and am gunning for that test date. I'm pretty close to my target score, but absolutely need to start working on timing and details.

I'm interested in a handful of Canadian law schools -- primarily UBC, UofT, Osgoode, Queens, Dalhousie, UOttawa, and UofA. Can any current law students, previous applicants, or knowledgeable hopefuls shed light on LSAT/GPA stats for any of the schools?

EDIT: More specifically, I'm interested in hearing about individual stats, either of those who've made it in or of friends you know who've received acceptance.

I took December and February lsat. I started applying with my December score. Golden Gate's aggressive email advertising and fee waiver made me apply there. I wanted to send a first-tester app, to a low rank school, just to give the process a dry run. Well, I got in with my fIrst score, almost full ride, and pre admitted for their honor student program... I took February lsat, but decided not to check my score. Apps are sent, schools know.

Now, the question is: would you consider going to a no-rank school for free? Would finding a job be an issue? Any of you with similar experiences?

How many times have you all taken the real LSAT ?

I was trying to solve NA question by using negation test, but I had a hard time with sentences below:

How do I have to negate this?

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So I was rejected at a school last year that was one of my top choices. My LSAT score was below their 25th, but I took the chance. I owe it to 7Sage for my 11 point increase- which took me right above their 75th! I had submitted my app in November, to study for my retake, and they reviewed my app already and called me this evening to say they accepted me with a scholarship! It is more than half the tuition, and I am so excited you guys. I got into one school before I retook the lsat, an awful school. I was settling, taking the path of least resistance. But I studied and studied and brought my score up and sat for that damn test for the second time..I dodged a bullet, and saved a ton of money. I'm talking a 6 figure difference here. I was going to go to a school at full ticket price, no scholly, and probably be doomed for future jobs. But I prevailed. Never settle guys! I am excited to hear from other schools I have apps into. A couple I am a bit more above their 75th so I'm hopeful for more money!! I am stoked!

June'18 Study Group | Blind Review PT 60 | Tuesday, March 13th | 7:30 pm EST

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Hi 7sage! After the Dec test, I had to take a mental break. Now that Feb scores came out, I'm looking at all the threads and wondering if I could get a higher score.

Context: I'm a second semester junior right now, planning on applying in Fall 2018. I have not looked at the LSAT since Dec. 2 lmao. I also scored a 173, when my highest PT had been 171. With my GPA, I'm looking at T3. I know that retaking the exam doesn't matter, except to Yale. And I'm pretty sure a 173 on the first try looks good to adcoms. My concern is that if I were to score lower than 173, Yale would nope-out. So my question: is it worth the risk?

So, I have been feeling incredibly anxious with my prep. I was able to move quickly through the logical reasoning CC, because each question took less time and it didn't feel like I was learning a completely new approach to answering a question every time I hit the "next" button.

Moving into LG, I expected it to be even quicker - it is my strongest section in the (4) practice tests I've taken. However, I began and it was a slow journey. Learning each game board and how it worked made me exhausted. I just couldn't do as much in a day. My studying pace slowed down and I felt like I had stunted my progress and was falling behind. I continued to do sets of my weakest logical reasoning question types in hopes of helping out with the anxiety that began to build.

However, I'm finally feeling like it is okay I took that time. I finished the LG CC and am now fool proofing LG 1-35 (admittedly, I'm doing every other PT to help my morale of feeling like I'm doing PTs that are too old; I'll then go back once I get through the odd numbered PTs). After all of the hard work and mounted anxiety, I've been able to get my first 3 sections done with 5+ minutes to spare and -0. I'm finally feeling like taking the time I needed was worth it, versus feeling like I should've continued at a steady pace throughout the entire CC.

So, this is a both a self-congratulatory post (which I recognize and apologize for the obnoxious nature of) and a post on hopefully reminding one other studier to let the material guide your pace, not your stress or anxiety. In the end, I'm so glad I took the upfront time so that I am not bogged down spending hours early on in the fool-proof portion of my prep.

Also, let's be real, I'm sure this weekend I'll hit road bumps. But every learning is worth putting down. I've also found it helps to write these things out or share them so that you can go back and remind yourself that you felt excited enough on one day to share it with the community. So, you can do it.

Thanks, 7sage! I was recently admitted to a T-14 with a full ride plus stipend after I improved from my diagnostic of 155 to a 174 after a full year of studying. That literally makes 7Sage the best investment I have ever made!!

I have been out of undergrad for five years now working in elementary school. I currently serve as an instructional coach, which basically means I teach teachers to teach. I strongly endorse JY and 7sage's course of study for the LSAT. First, let me say that JY is hilarious--I literally would cry laughing during his video explanations sometimes. Humor is not sufficient or necessary for quality teaching, but quality teaching is always necessarily enhanced with comedy. Second, JY breaks the logic, grammar, and arguments into their essential component parts--allowing students to master the underlying concepts. Each concept is scaffolded on to the next concept so you can easily build an amazing, LSAT-destroying brain machine. Often, JY breaks difficult questions or logic ideas into visual schematics to help students process the information. When you are an LSAT beginner, this is a life-saver. Third, because the videos and work are online you can work through it at your own pace. Don't understand something? Slow down the video and watch it again. Need to review causation? Loop back to that in the core curriculum. Also, the ability to slow down and speed up videos is a life-saver, helping your breeze through question and games review videos to find the information most pertinent to your misunderstandings. Fourth, 7Sage keeps data for you after taking your PrepTests, allowing you to target the most high leverage concepts with a razor sharp scalpel. Further, this data allows you as a learner to become the driver of your own learning. Fifth, the fool-proofing and blind-review methods allow you to improve on your own mistakes through reflection--the hallmark of good learning. Not only that, they allow you to practice a sufficient amount with the concepts that are actually difficult for you so that you improve in skill. Sixth, the sorting of questions, games, and passages with tags allows you to find the relevant practice types you need and to address them easily. Seventh, this program opens up access to all learners who have internal motivation. When doing 7Sage, I sometimes get scared that it is going to make the tests harder over time as more and more people learn how to do destroy this test. Also, let's be honest, 7Sage is hella cheap. Comparable in person services--even the low quality ones--are way more expensive. As a side-note, the fact that the logic game videos are free is the best marketing tactic ever. I always smiled to myself when JY deftly placed an ad for the core curriculum into each one of the logic games videos ("if you don't know this (insert concept X), you really should review it in our core curriculum lessons"). Eighth, 7Sage is flexible. Not only has 7sage worked well with my schedule allowing me to spend heavy hours when I had them available and to skimp when my workload was extra heavy. Ninth, 7sage mimics the social environment of a live classroom with its awesome community. We know that learning is enhanced through social interactions, and the community here--the webinar videos, the discussion forums, the message boards after each lesson--do just that. Honestly, I should have been better at utilizing the community as a resource, but just being able to look up different user's responses to questions and seeing their writing helped me grow myself. Without the webinars and videos of JY/others taking their tests, I would not have learned efficient timing and skipping strategies for pushing myself into the 170s. The whole idea of "rounds" for LR was foreign to me. I used to just try and finish questions 25/26 exactly at the end of 35 minutes (can't believe I ever did this).

All in all, I appreciate everything and will be posting this on the reviews so other people can find this god-send course.

I recently finished the flaw questions portion of the 7sage curriculum and found this question type to be my weakness. Once I got to level 3 difficulty questions, I started having problems. I don't know if it's the language of the questions or if I'm just not understanding the concept. Anyone else have this issue and improve drastically?

Dear All,

So I've been studying on and off for the past two years and took the February 2018 and did way below than what I expected. I applied and submitted my applications to some of my local law schools but am certain that with the score received I will not be admitted. To summarize, I am not sure whether my approach to studying this test is effective or if it's just a test that I am not able to master?

I work a very demanding job in a big law firm and it's a struggle trying to manage the tasks given to me in addition to studying for this test. I am still contemplating what to do and should I take another crack at this test, I think I will be either shooting for the July or September 2018 test. Any advice as to how to overcome this defeated mindset and suggestions as to how to improve on this test. My goal is to get into the 160s and I am awful at logic games, which people say is the easiest to learn and can't seem to do them under time conditions. Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

thanks!

Is anyone else feeling this way? I’m working a 9-5 job and am increasingly feeling unsatisfied with it. Just feeling like I’m in limbo and going crazy while I wait for Law School moves for next year. Literally can’t wait till I quit this place! I’m frustrated because I need the money but can’t leave since I’ve only a few more months to go...but man this place drives me crazy

I just took the LSAT in Feb for the 1st time and started studying in Late December. I scored a 153, not what I was looking for from my PTs but still in the 25-75 range of the schools I am looking to attend. I am a non-traditional candidate 39, family of 5, with BS and PhDs in Mechanical and Electrical Engineering from top 25 schools. I am just debating on continuing to study for the June or July LSAT or prepping for the patent bar. If I can get into to schools with my numbers now I would rather focus my time on the patent bar. Anyone have any idea how long it takes to get application responses back? I would do both but with a family and a full time job my time is limited so I’ll need to pick a path. Any advice would be much appreciated.

I am currently in my foolproof stage and I am starting to notice some of the games repeat when it comes to set up and even with rules but I am having lots of trouble finding a way to approach games that require you to use lines as a game broad setup. I normally read the game a few times then when I notice I can’t figure a way out to set it up i end up watching the explanation video: example game PT 18 game 3.

Help please.....What are some of your methods that help with games like these?

Also what are some methods to saving time when doing LG. Because I also notice that when I try to do a game in 5mins if I spend even just a few extra seconds on organizing the game broad I can’t get to all the question. And I rather be accurate than fast. But as we all know that won’t help me get anywhere if I’m not accurate and somewhat fast

Brand new to this awesome community so hi!!

Not sure if this is already explained somewhere... but how should we study the CC?

I gather we should save the PTs until after finishing the curriculum as to not waste them, but should we be using the Question Bank concurrently with (and if so, is this already embedded in the study schedule?) or after finishing the CC?

Hi All,

I got my February score back, and I'm nothing but ecstatic about it. I went from 160 in December to 171 in February. I owe a lot to this community. I didn't post much on here but I creeped, and I used a lot of the (free) 7sage materials. I feel like if I can help even one person get motivated and get the score they want, then this thread was worth writing. I have a description below of my LSAT experience and then some advice for anyone who wants it. Are you tired of egotistical high scorers giving advice? Then skip this thread. I was so tired of reading about ivy league wannabe's scoring 170+ whining about how bad they were doing/did that I totally feel your pain and I don't judge you for not wanting to hear about it. For the TLDR just read the itemized points and take what you want or ignore if you think it's stupid!

I applied to the Air Force 2.5 years ago, and it has been a slow process. After passing all the selection criteria, but going months of waiting and not getting called, I needed a backup in my life (I'm still waiting as of writing this post). The LSAT seemed like a good thing to put in my back pocket, and admission to some law schools wouldn't hurt if the time came. I had an older version of the Powerscore books sitting around, and I pulled them out (I didn't know what 7sage was). Starting on October 1st, I spent about 3 weeks deep in all 3 books reading them and taking notes and studying them carefully. Although I did some travelling during this time (Las Vegas and Tofino B.C.), I was spending at least 4-5 hours a day studying, with a day or two off a week. The only exam I had written prior to this was about 2 years earlier and I got about 50% of the questions right, putting me somewhere around the 30th percentile, although that's just a guess. After my power-score studying, I wrote my first exam and got a 161. I then focused on practicing from November until December just doing older practice exams. My highest PT was 167, the night before my December exam, and my lowest was a 161 (minus a weird outlier 156 where I got so frustrated in a logic game that I gave up). I wrote the December exam and it ended in tragedy. I scored a 160, below my average PT of 163, and it was the lowest practice test of ANY practice test I had done.

I became kind of bummed so I re-registered for February, and didn't start studying until January 3rd, giving me about a month to prepare. My mind was back in the cockpit of a fighter jet not in a Dean's office. What had butchered my December score was a weak logic games, so while I kept telling myself I would do full PT's and stuff, I never really did I kinda just practiced logic games over and over again until even in a super hard one I could keep my cool and minimize lost points. I sort of used the 7sage foolproof method for logic games, but less rigorously. The truth is that while I put in some good time, I wasn't a crazy aspiring lawyer, and I didn't put in insane time. I put in the work, and combined with a decent aptitude for the exam, did okay. Especially prior to my February exam, I was doing almost exclusively logic games, and spent most of my time working and in the gym. Maybe 1-3 hours a day, 3-4 days a week or something like that.

Before the February exam, I intentionally didn't look at an exam for 5 days prior to the test. I sat down and wrote on February 12th, and it went fine. I assumed I did a 165, since my highest PT hadn't got much higher (169), and I didn't really put in much extra work other than reducing variability on Logic Games. I got my score back yesterday, and I just about collapsed when I saw a 171. Now, this is a good score, but it's not like a 176 or 177 or something. I'm not an LSAT genius. I moved 11 LSAT points and 18 percentile points from my previous real sit down. Now I'll probably get into the law schools I applied to, and maybe next year just for Sh*ts and giggles I'll apply to some ivy schools and see what happens, but I'm not some crazy SJW or involved in every single issue in the world like I was in high school, so I'm not sure I'm Ivy material. So that's my story, and if you relate at all, or care about what I learned, I have some scattered advice below. Take what makes sense and leave what doesn't. This is a great community of people, and even though people who score high always sound a little bit egotistical when they talk, it really comes from a place of knowing that in the past we were sitting with lower scores, reading about other people who were doing better than us, and it's difficult to qualify why your help might be valuable to someone without first saying that you actually do well on the test.

In no particular order:

Be a killer. This exam is NOT about how many questions you get right. It's about how many questions you get right COMPARED TO THE PERSON SITTING NEXT TO YOU. This is an exam about percentiles not raw scores. If the question you're reading is easy, it's easy for the next person too. Answer the question faster and better, take every edge you possibly can at all times. Powerscore says it well, ATTACK the questions, no matter how confident you are, and move on.

Start early. This exam is in the truest sense a marathon and not a sprint. Learning the exam takes time. I'd rather do 10 practice test over 3 months than to do 20 practice tests in one. This stuff is more like taking edibles than ripping the bong, it takes a while to hit you.

Your brain gets tired. I saw CONSISTENTLY that when I took a week off from a long period of hard studying, I would come back that day and score 5 or more points higher than my previous test. The LSAT is an intelligence (intelligence about a particular way of thinking) test not a knowledge test (the MCAT is the opposite in this respect, every extra bit of stuff you can memorize helps). Every single exam has different questions, and your brain needs to be stretchy to adapt and understand the material. So, take the time to load KNOWLEDGE into your brain (LG games strategies, LR and RC question types, test strategies, etc. etc.), and then take time to give your brain a chance to soak it in so that when you hit that full length practice test, it has every ounce of INTELLIGENCE in it. You'll feel it; after a few days off all the questions seem easier. For those mechanically inclined, studying and PT'ing back to back is like filling your high performance engine with 87 octane. The engine knocks, gets less power and might blow up. But give it a few days rest and you're giving it 94 octane and the perfect tune.

Nail the logic games. The LG section is probably the only one where you can have 0 aptitude for it, but still do amazingly well. The 7sage method works well. Do a a LG games section, and then give it a day and do it again the next day, and the next, and the next until you really understand it. Once it's perfect put it on the back burner, then come back to it some time later and nail it to remember the tricks and to boost your confidence. Nailing the logic games and then guessing on the rest of the exam will give you a 140. Nailing the LG and then getting only 50% right on the other questions puts you in the 63ish percentile. The video explanations on this site are THE BOMB so use them.

Analyze your mistakes. Analyze. Your. Mistakes. Or as millennials do, Analyze (clap emoji) Your (clap emoji) Mistakes (clap emoji). I didn't use the blind review method. I'm pretty lazy, and going back and analyzing questions I'm not even sure I got wrong was tedious and annoying. I would do this: Write a Practice test and grade it. Cry about my score (I'm a 6' 250 lb dude) and have a snack so I can't remember what the right answers to the wrong questions were. For LR I would re-do all of my wrong questions. I would write down the question type/category (which helps me on harder questions so I can use systemic approaches when necessary), then I would write down why I chose the wrong answer, then select what I thought was the right answer and explain why I thought it was right. I would do this for all of them and check the answers again, and hopefully they were all right. If not, same thing again. The key is to really take time to think about WHY you got it wrong, and understand PERFECTLY why you were such an idiot for not getting it right the first time. You want to feel stupid after this process. For the RC I would start reading the passages again, then stop because RC sucks A** and I'll never get better at it. I would review the wrong questions and the right answers just to get a feel for it, which probably helped my score a little, but I spent very little time on this. For logic games, I would do them over and over again until I got it right, then use the approach above^(4.) to do it well. Honestly, the best thing I did was spend more time understanding why I got questions wrong, and less time actually writing practice exams. If you have a good work ethic unlike yours truly, using this method religiously on all the PT's is going to net you an objectively awesome score.

Put your phone in a different room when you study.

Get a job that lets you focus. I drove Uber. I like shooting the sh*t with people and driving my car (I have a 4.97 driver rating heck ya I ball hard NBD). I'd work enough to pay the bills whenever I wanted, went to the gym as much as I wanted and then pretended to study more than I actually studied for the rest of the day.

If you don't have the luxury of living at home and working part time like I did, try and change that. If you cant, spend less time doing stupid stuff that's not making your score better, but leave enough time to have fun.

Do not, under any circumstances, study for this exam if you are easily discouraged or if you're not really sure you want it.

Do NOT, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, listen to the stupid people here who whine about ridiculously high scores and claim that they achieved this with minimal work (i've been half guilty of both sides of this in the past and even now). These people, I've determined, are liars or extreme outliers, and much more likely to be the former than the later. Don't believe anyone who says they scored more than 165 on their first exam with no studying.

So to end, this is my unsolicited contribution to you folks at 7sage. Take it or leave it. Hopefully instead of law i'm flying mach two somewhere, but if not i'll see you guys in class. Good luck to all of you, and feel free to comment what you think of my strategy.

I just discovered a school I want to apply to but I’m a bit pst their priority deadline. It was March 1 and today is March 9. What should I do? Their regular/ full stop deadline is a few months away but of course I plan on submitting this ASAP. What does applying past priority mean?

A question on an app has simply asked: "Did you take an LSAT preparatory class?" Do I answer yes? Seeing as I purchased the starter package and studied for the test using the CC, prep tests, etc.

Unfortunately today I was informed that LSAC lost my in the mail (they blame UPS). I now have to retake it on March 17. All the schools I applied to know the situation, will receive an official letter from LSAC explaining what happened I am writing an addendum explaining what happened and the psychological/mental ramifications of having to prepare for the test for months, only to have it lost, and then have to reprepare myself in one week.

My question for the 7Sage community and @JY if you are there, is how do you think I should go about studying going forward? I studied for a little over three months, went through the entire 7sage curriculum, and have taken all of the PTs in the 80s and 70s as well as some random full tests/passages/games/questions from pre-70. What do you guys think I should go going forward? It's been a few weeks of course since I have looked at any material. Should I find a brand new old test that I have not done anything from? Should I review core concepts? Should I re-do a test I already took in the 70s/80s since they are "newer" and more similar to the current tests? I do not want to burn myself out in the small time frame I have but also want to make sure I can remember as much as I can. Any advice would be appreciated.

I'm planning to write the June exam, with September / December exam dates available to me should I need to improve. So far, I've used the core curriculum study schedule planner to guide me through the core curriculum until one week from my June test date - is this enough? From reading through others' posts, it looks as though I should be PTing quite a bit after the core curriculum has wrapped up - I've been fool-proofing the logic games as I go. Thanks!

Hey guys,

I'm curious to see how other 7sagers have broken out of the low 160s. To give you an idea of where I'm at, I'm averaging about -6 per section on LR, -5 on LGs, and -5 on RC for an avg of 161 the ten most recent. With more drilling, I think I can get the LGs down close to -0. However, I'm really struggling to get my LR score to the point where a 170 is possible. I'm making 2-3 dumb mistakes per 50 questions, and then missing most of the harder questions (doesn't really matter what type they are). Timing is still an issue for me, although I'm getting through the first 10 in ten minutes or so. Any specific drills/techniques on escaping the 160s would be much appreciated, thanks!

excuse typos. my phone is annoying.

I’m a URM. AA Female.

3.5

“170”

I really want HLS. Maybe Stanford but I don’t wanna go to Cali & Yale is a funny joke with my numbers - but that would be nice too.

I’m confused because when I ask or search forums for people chancing URMs with my combo of numbers & sometimes lower #s closer to 3.2/165, 90% of respondents are like - “ENJOY HARVARD YOU’RE IN THERE FOR SURE!!!!!”

But then the lsn & other online calculator predictors will show the chance of URM with those same #s being in the 20% acceptance range. I get that the generators have smaller samples, usually like 5 applicants & so they get to their 20% with like 3 rejected, 1 waitlist 1 admit. but still.....

The confidence of respondents vs what these #s show makes me complete unsure of what to expect....

I guess I’m asking you guys some questions. So:

Why do people seem to think my #s and AA URM stat is a gimme at Harvard despite LSN & other # generators seeming to show otherwise.

Besides the obvious short answer of “softs” - when we have two applicants, both AA female / URM, both 170, both 3.5 - but one is rejected and the other accepted : what kind of softs are compelling enough? If my numbers ARE fine and it comes down to my softs - what kinds of things will push my borderline #s into being a lock at HLS???

Hi all,

So I just finished with the core curriculum, and took my first post-curriculum simulated exam. I scored much higher than my diagnostic (thanks 7sage!) but I'm still around ~8-9 points away from my target score. My current schedule is to take 2-3 timed exams per week each week until the June exam, where I plan to sit for my first LSAT.

When I take simulated exams, I usually spend the whole day taking & blind reviewing the exam. I understand that part of the blind review process, but what I don't understand is what I am supposed to be doing on my days off when I am not taking PTs.

My weakest section is logic games (-6+), and I'm currently working on fool-proofing the games from PTs 1-35, which seems to be the recommended course of action from this forum.

But, other than blind reviewing my PT and reviewing the core curriculum, what should I be doing to improve LR and RC? Just drill timed sections? Or should I be focusing on question type? I've done all of the problem sets on the CC.

Those of you who are done with the CC, what do you guys do on days where you want to study but don't have time for a full PT?