hi guys,

so when you have a SUPER long inference Q, how do you approach such questions?

I know that for argument type questions, we MUST understand the relationship between the support and the conclusion before moving on to the answer choices.

But since inference questions are just statements, not arguments, do you move on to the answer choices even if you don't fully understand the stimuli?

When answering questions on the logical reasoning section, I found myself having a difficult time distinguishing between common answer types. I feel as if my problem is that I don't know the clear cut distinction between these types. They are as follows:

Would someone be willing to help me out with this? Whenever I am doing a PT I often find myself delving into these answer stems for too long.

Thank you!

Hey 7Sagers!

I saw a couple posts that were similar to this topic, but those threads were mainly very old or distinct in their question. As such, I wanted to pose a question that I'm sure many in the community are facing during PTs.

What are some of the potential causes that would result in varied PT scores?

I'm sure everyone is experiencing different results, but in my case, I'm talking about 8 PT scores that create two very distinct averages. For me, half my PTs suggest I'm currently performing at ~163 and the other half consistently have me at a ~157. To clarify, these scores were intermingled, meaning it's not a steady increase from 157 to a 163, but rather spikes and drops going between the two. Furthermore, I've thoroughly reviewed both the question types and sections for each test and there doesn't seem to be any consistency in the points I've missed.

But back to my larger question, if our studying methods haven't changed, what fundamental errors could cause those preparing for the LSAT to have an inconsistent score and how can we address these?

I'd like to really hammer down and improve my RC score. What are the best things to read to improve RC score? My problem is reading speed/comprehension and just a general lack of reading. I have the LSAT Trainer on the way so hoping that'll help as well. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

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Hi Gang, I have tried to message several people on the forum through the inbox - depending on the type of questions I have, yet no one responds! I'm not sure if I have a tainted profile or what ... but I have a few questions, so I might as well ask here!

Is it worth it to buy a perfect score watch? Why does J.Y. recommend to use an analog watch with rotating bezel? I also read some posts about "hacking" a regular analog watch with permanent markers? Is this feasible? Would LSAC allow this?

You guys are all such masters of LSAT! I hope you can offer some advice to me :-)

Thanks!

Hi all,

I've been stuck between 168- 171 on my practice tests. It does not matter if I do them timed or untimed, I've been stuck at this level for 1 year, despite my best efforts of taking the PowerScore advanced LR course, drilling, taking 30 exams or so with blind review, doing explanations of questions myself, etc. I am planning on taking the exam in September and would like to give myself a +/- 3 cushion, so achieving a 173 consistently prior to test day is my goal. Any suggestions on how to improve?

I am missing usually 3-4 on each LR, 2 on RC, and 1 on LG.

Any advice would be appreciated.

I was looking at the wrong column when transferring my answers from my hard copy to the computer and now my test score is artificially low... Is there a way to edit the information I uploaded? Or can I delete the prep test and re-enter the information again? It's throwing off my analytics/trends :(

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If I want to practice validity questions....which questions should I be drilling the most? NA, PSA, SA, and MBT....is there anything I'm missing?

Understanding and applying validity has been suuuuuch an uphill battle for me. And just to make sure it's sunk in, I want to drill as many of those question types as I can.

Thanks!

Hey all,

About 3 weeks I was at the point of exhaustion with my LSAT prep so I took a big, huge 10 day break some basically all things LSAT. I reviewed some LR questions most days or did a few games, but I wasn't REALLY prepping for the test. I started prep in December 2016 very heavy on games, learned the basics of LR during the spring semester and the night my semester ended, I hit the CC.

At the time of my break, I was a bet for -2/-3 on each LR, -1 or -2 on games and an atrocious RC of -9/-10...all in all about a 167 give or take. After the break, my pt's have been about -4 for each LR, -2 for games (although yesterday I bombed games in pt 67 with a -5...and even more atrocious -11/-12 in RC. This leaves me at a 162-164...depending on the test.

Has this happened to anyone else? How did you get back to your earlier form?

I am taking a 10 hr flight tomorrow, I would love to study in the air. There is no wifi, however. Any way I can view the lessons without internet?

Hi I am having some issues with chaining double arrows/double not arrows.

I know that:

A--> B (--|--) C = A (--|--) C

A (--|--) B --> C= A (--|--) C

A--> B (----) C = A (----) C

A (----) B --> C = A (----) C

But I am unsure about:

A (----) B (-----) C

A (----) B (--|--) C

A (--|--) B (--|--) C

Could somebody help clarify this?

Hey guys,

I plan on drilling every RC passage from PTs 1-35. Just wanted to get some input on whether this would be a good strategy? I understand that RC changes in newer tests with the addition of the comparative passages. I'm also unsure whether there's a drastic change in the question types in PTs 60+. Or does it not really matter, and it would still be useful to drill from RC 1-35?

Thanks for the help!

Hey everyone! Quick question about the Academic Summary Report -- LSAC just processed my transcripts and the numbers are what I expected them to be, but I just noticed the statistics they include about your degree granting institution. Specifically, the story they tell about my university is that 65% of students got below average on the LSAT and too few students exist to calculate an average GPA. I was wondering how this is viewed by admission officers and what sort of impact it would have if I'm at the median for my top two law schools.

Hi all!

I just finished PT 38 and scored a 176, BR 179. These are absolutely wild scores for me, as I average around 165. I am studying for a retake in September, after scoring a 161 in June.

I am reminding myself this it is an outlier score, but noting that I am capable of it (somehow). Typically, I struggle with RC, can foolproof LG (though potentially missing 1-3 stupid questions, or a really hard game stumping me), and am I seeing lots of improvement on LR lately (missing 2-5 per section normally).

Thoughts? How should I approach/adjust my attitude after this score?

P.S. Planning another PT tomorrow, so that will be added to the bag-- taking 2-3 per week until Sept.

Hi 7Sagers, I previously prepared using Manhattan's prep course, then found 7sage, watched all the LG videos which were very helpful and stood out from other prep courses. Now wondering how much 7sage's lessons on LR and RC differ from Manhattan, will I learn anything new or different/helpful in terms of breaking down the arguments and zeroing in on answer choices? Manhattan had a pretty solid system. if anyone has used manhattan and can offer their feedback I'd especially appreciate it. Also might not be able to purchase the ultimate package.. will something basic like the starter pack help me improve on LR and RC or is it only the ultimate package that provides comprehensive training on LR

Hi everyone,

I hope everyone had a great weekend. I wanted to post to get some advice from all of you, especially those who have managed studying and working full-time at the same time.

To give a little background, I currently work at a job that I've been at for a little more than a year. Unfortunately, I work in consulting and my hours are not always necessarily the typical 9-5PM. There are times when I get out at 7-8. On really bad days, I get out even later (although this hasn't happened recently). At this time, I'm not sure quitting my job to study is an option because financially, that may not be feasible. I am planning on taking the September LSAT (my third try) and I'm feeling completely overwhelmed. I'm trying my best to maintain both studying and work, but it's hard to put full effort into either. I've been getting a lot of crap from my bosses about how I haven't been communicative enough or proactive enough. At the same time, my scores don't seem to be improving too much (in fact, they seem to be going down). I was scoring in the 170s before the June test, but now my scores are back down to the 167-169 range.. Ideally, I'd REALLY like to take the September test just because I'm planning on applying this year and because the LSAT has already taken up so much of my time.

For those who have gone through this before (and for anyone else who's been overwhelmed by this test), how do you handle this? Any advice on how I should approach this or anything from your own experiences you think would help?

Thanks all for reading this long message!!

Im having a little trouble understanding why answer choice D is correct. I understood the flaw that an absence of proof for something to be false, does not make it true the minute i read it.

However the wording in Answer choice D is confusing me. Specifically, " Rejects the possibility"

I'd love some inputs!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-26-section-3-question-10/

So, I joined 7sage May 24, 2017. As of today, I have completed all 91 hours of the course. Do I jump into taking a timed test? Or, do I just take a test - no timer- and see where I am on questions?

Any advice would be appreciated! & I would be grateful! :)

So I'm approaching an interesting quandary in my studies. I tested in June and got a 170, which I'm happy, but not content with. Reason being I hit 162 with my blind diagnostic in March and my study mainly consisted of PT, l look over my incorrect answers and compare to the correct choices. Admittedly I was a little lazy and mostly rode my knack for the material.

I'm planning to retake in September and have begun studying the right way. I'm going through CC now, then planning to begin Pts with proper, exhaustive BR.

However, going through the curriculum on grammar, subvocalization, etc, I'm worried that I may drown my natural ability in a sea of technique and strategy. I can visualize an eventuality where I approach a RC passage an analyze it's structure, perspective and grammar flawlessly, break down the prompt and ACs effortlessly, but fail to achieve the only thing that matters, correct answers.

Admittedly this is all hypothetical, and as yet unmanifested, but I thought it would make for an interesting discussion. Curious to hear from others who have experienced this, or testimonials proving my worries premature.

Spin-off: The idea of a course designed for naturally gifted LSATers. Maybe geared toward boosting scores from 165 to 175, leaving out some of the more basic breakdown. Not sure if that would be counterproductive, perhaps you truly need to build a base knowledge before attacking the curve-breaker questions, but an interesting idea nonetheless.

Do questions get harder as you go from #1 to #20's?

YIKES!

If the conclusion does not HAVE to be true, then the argument is invalid?

I have finished the core curriculum work and I have a book of 10 Actual PT's 7-18. I'm taking the September test and I am studying full time (ie not working). As I understand, 7Sage considers these to be too old to be fully relevant as timed PT's so I'm wondering how best to use them. To note: they are all contained in one big book so getting a realistic testing feel will likely take more effort and time than I'm willing to commit.

Would you use these as a mainstay of drilling or start getting through some of the higher numbered PT's and use those for drilling? What about the logic games? Are they more or less likely to be relevant today?

Any thoughts about how and when to use this 10 pack in conjunction with the remaining PT's I'll be taking through 7sage (starter) would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!

Is there a list of the common valid argument forms? (on the lsat)