A couple months back when I started studying for the LSAT and first came across this section, my brain just rejected to comprehend the concept so I essentially just skimmed it.
Obviously, I got ripped apart by LR question types like MBT and Parallel so right now I'm revisiting this lesson to really learn it.
And WOW, I ACTUALLY understand everything. I can't wait to get back to my LR training and see how much better I can do. I literally hear things click in my brain remembering some LR questions I COULD NOT UNDERSTAND to save my life!!!
I saw some comments that were confused about how this actually applied to the LSAT questions. I get the confusion and how it's really easy to lose motivation/interest. So I'm leaving this comment to share my experience. Everyone who's going through this step in their LSAT studying journey, hang in there. I hope everyone gets the results they want in the end :)
@JacquelineMoon Echoing the same experience. I initially skipped over this section because it seemed irrelevant, but I wasn't making any progress in LR. Now I am back at square one. Everyone, please heed our advice!
@Cee🦋 I realized the same thing for msyelf. It's important to go back to your note/ earlier in the less where it says The idea immediately following the logical indicator is the necessary condition or he idea immediately following the logical indicator is the sufficient condition. I was getting confused why i was getting it wrong to until I noticed him breaking it down this way. I think they should provide an addtional video in terms of how to solve it/break it down the way he explains it which is more effective visually. That's why he adds 1 or 2 above those indicators.
Group 1: has the indicators (if, When, where, all, every, any, the only) it means that the sufficient indicator goes to the left side of the arrow.
Group 2: has the sets of indicators (only, Only if, only when, only where, always, must), meaning the necessary condition goes on the right side of the arrow.
am I making any sense? or do I need to re watch everything lol
@HenryLehmann holy thank you I was so confused. I thought Every was group 2 so I had to go back in my notes after seeing this comment and see why I was messing up the placements
I keep getting the order of conditions wrong. For example, in number three. I put "Italian Plumber -> Raccoon suits" and then "/raccoon suits -> /Italian plumber"
@Jakobmisey I would write group 1 and group two on a paper and put the indicator words under them. Go based off the indicators then in your own words explain why the right answer is right
Being an Italian plumber DOES NOT guarantee that you are able to fly while wearing a raccoon suit.
however
If you are flying wearing a raccoon suit you MUST be an Italian plumber
we know this because being an italian plumber is necessary for being able to fly in a racoon suit. Only they are capable in this scenario so if you are unable to fly then clearly you are not an Italian plumber
But being an Italian plumber does not guarantee that you can fly.
Remember to pay attention to your indicators.
Your mapping would have been correct if the sentence started with "if" and not "only" because the sufficient indicator 'if' would guarantee this but "only" signals a necessary.
This was hard for me the first time around and this is a review for me and I of course missed it again but after watching the video along with some more experience it's much more clear now.
Also being able to properly differentiate between modus pones and categorical syllogism will make this easier. Make sure to go back and review these as you move along through the curriculum. After going though about a 1/4 of the LR unit I see how important this is and why it is "the oldest mistake in the book."
@Jakobmisey So i had a lot of trouble with the only questions. One thing that helped me was this. Only men pee standing up is not the same as men only pee standing up. Apply that to italians and raccoon suits. Only italians fly raccoon suits isn't the same as italians only fly raccoon suits. So if you mix up the necessary and sufficient that's what you get. Since it's saying only italians fly racoon suits, then you know that if someone is flying a raccoon suit they have to be italian, but you don't know whether they are flying a raccoon suit just because you know they are italian. hope that helps.
How do you know when the premise ends sometimes? Like for question 4, I got what premise was in group 1 and group 2, but I cut off the premise differently. I put:
Does it help if you identify the subject and predicate of the sentence?
Typically we don't want to split pieces of the predicate and subject apart. So, if you recognize "italian plumbers" is the subject, you don't want to group "fly" as part of "italian plumbers." That's why the diagram is:
fly while wearing raccoon suit --> italian plumber (only introduces a necessary condition, which is why italian plumber goes on the right side of the arrow)
Something seems to not be clicking for me here. The last few skill builders I have been super confident but consistently missing 1 or 2 questions and not understanding why. I get its depending on sufficiency vs necessity conceptually but I'm just not seeing it when I go and do the practices for some reason. Its so obvious when watching the videos but I keep slipping up when I actually try.
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trying to stay motivated today, if anyone else has been extremely unmotivated i feel you and we will persevere lol
@izzy5576 Me today!
A couple months back when I started studying for the LSAT and first came across this section, my brain just rejected to comprehend the concept so I essentially just skimmed it.
Obviously, I got ripped apart by LR question types like MBT and Parallel so right now I'm revisiting this lesson to really learn it.
And WOW, I ACTUALLY understand everything. I can't wait to get back to my LR training and see how much better I can do. I literally hear things click in my brain remembering some LR questions I COULD NOT UNDERSTAND to save my life!!!
I saw some comments that were confused about how this actually applied to the LSAT questions. I get the confusion and how it's really easy to lose motivation/interest. So I'm leaving this comment to share my experience. Everyone who's going through this step in their LSAT studying journey, hang in there. I hope everyone gets the results they want in the end :)
@JacquelineMoon Echoing the same experience. I initially skipped over this section because it seemed irrelevant, but I wasn't making any progress in LR. Now I am back at square one. Everyone, please heed our advice!
I HATE THESE
This lesson is so confusing to me 🥴
I made flash cards to help memorize group 1-4 conditional indicators, thought I’d share in case it would be helpful to anyone else. I’m redoing this course after getting through most of it and taking the lsat and not doing as well as I hoped. Looking back I realize how important it is to know these. https://quizlet.com/1153975729/lsat-7sage-conditional-indicators-to-share-flash-cards/?i=71yhg9&x=1jqY
@Elideebeep so helpful thank you!
@lelastical sure thing! 😊
#Help
Been getting them all correct so far until I got to #4 in this skill builder. I put:
IP WRS --> IP can fly
/(IP can fly) --> /(IP WRS)
IP = Italian Plumber
WRS = Wearing Raccoon Suit
Is this completely incorrect? How can I avoid making this mistake in the future when I come across similarly structured conditional statements?
@Cee🦋 I realized the same thing for msyelf. It's important to go back to your note/ earlier in the less where it says The idea immediately following the logical indicator is the necessary condition or he idea immediately following the logical indicator is the sufficient condition. I was getting confused why i was getting it wrong to until I noticed him breaking it down this way. I think they should provide an addtional video in terms of how to solve it/break it down the way he explains it which is more effective visually. That's why he adds 1 or 2 above those indicators.
Finally was able to get 5/5 on all the questions!
so just to clarify, neccessary conditions are always on the right side of the arrow?
@BriellWhite yes!
just to confirm
Group 1: has the indicators (if, When, where, all, every, any, the only) it means that the sufficient indicator goes to the left side of the arrow.
Group 2: has the sets of indicators (only, Only if, only when, only where, always, must), meaning the necessary condition goes on the right side of the arrow.
am I making any sense? or do I need to re watch everything lol
Okay officially going back to write down which words are group 1 and which are group 2
@HenryLehmann holy thank you I was so confused. I thought Every was group 2 so I had to go back in my notes after seeing this comment and see why I was messing up the placements
@JKang omg thank you! ...same here! lol
I keep getting the order of conditions wrong. For example, in number three. I put "Italian Plumber -> Raccoon suits" and then "/raccoon suits -> /Italian plumber"
I need help.
@Jakobmisey I would write group 1 and group two on a paper and put the indicator words under them. Go based off the indicators then in your own words explain why the right answer is right
@Jakobmisey I am doing the exact thing wrong
@Jakobmisey @MeredithGilles watch the video.
Being an Italian plumber DOES NOT guarantee that you are able to fly while wearing a raccoon suit.
however
If you are flying wearing a raccoon suit you MUST be an Italian plumber
we know this because being an italian plumber is necessary for being able to fly in a racoon suit. Only they are capable in this scenario so if you are unable to fly then clearly you are not an Italian plumber
But being an Italian plumber does not guarantee that you can fly.
Remember to pay attention to your indicators.
Your mapping would have been correct if the sentence started with "if" and not "only" because the sufficient indicator 'if' would guarantee this but "only" signals a necessary.
This was hard for me the first time around and this is a review for me and I of course missed it again but after watching the video along with some more experience it's much more clear now.
Also being able to properly differentiate between modus pones and categorical syllogism will make this easier. Make sure to go back and review these as you move along through the curriculum. After going though about a 1/4 of the LR unit I see how important this is and why it is "the oldest mistake in the book."
@Jakobmisey with the only's it helps me to thing of it in the negative. Only A can do Y? well then i guess if NOT A, then it can't do Y.
If not an Italian Plumber, then it cant fly....
if it can fly... then it MUST be an Italian Plumber
@Jakobmisey So i had a lot of trouble with the only questions. One thing that helped me was this. Only men pee standing up is not the same as men only pee standing up. Apply that to italians and raccoon suits. Only italians fly raccoon suits isn't the same as italians only fly raccoon suits. So if you mix up the necessary and sufficient that's what you get. Since it's saying only italians fly racoon suits, then you know that if someone is flying a raccoon suit they have to be italian, but you don't know whether they are flying a raccoon suit just because you know they are italian. hope that helps.
How do you know when the premise ends sometimes? Like for question 4, I got what premise was in group 1 and group 2, but I cut off the premise differently. I put:
Italian plumbers fly -> wearing raccoon suits
CP: /wearing raccoon suit -> /Italian plumbers fly
Can someone explain how I should know where the premises end and begin and if that even matters too much?
Does it help if you identify the subject and predicate of the sentence?
Typically we don't want to split pieces of the predicate and subject apart. So, if you recognize "italian plumbers" is the subject, you don't want to group "fly" as part of "italian plumbers." That's why the diagram is:
fly while wearing raccoon suit --> italian plumber (only introduces a necessary condition, which is why italian plumber goes on the right side of the arrow)
Something seems to not be clicking for me here. The last few skill builders I have been super confident but consistently missing 1 or 2 questions and not understanding why. I get its depending on sufficiency vs necessity conceptually but I'm just not seeing it when I go and do the practices for some reason. Its so obvious when watching the videos but I keep slipping up when I actually try.
@BenjaminMcDaniel Im with you. I think my mix up is coming from realizing order of sufficient/necessary
3/5 numbers 4 and 5 tripped me up but keeping it pushing!
4/5, #2 tripped me up
i was trying to say something like:
planetary society will be endangered -> impacts from space
but i kinda missed that the question was trying to make a distinction between planetary society and other forms of society.
Pay attention to the indicators. Even when you are confused it'll be your life line in determining which part is sufficient and necessary.
are the 2 Italian plumbers mario and luigi ?
5/5! After weeks of crashing out, sufficient and necessary are finally clicking!!!!!!
4/5 ! Getting better! #4 got me. Guess I'm not a Italian plumber
@MJimenez7094 same, i got 4 wrong...
Felt good about stuff leading to this lesson. now, not so much. I keep reversing the order.
5/5 AYEEEEEE
#4 and #5 ahhhhh
4/5 I got all the rest right but number 1. The two beginning commas triped me up
5/5 but number four really tripped me out.
Finally a proper 5/5