Something seems to not be clicking for me here. The last few skill builders I have been super confident but consistently missing 1 or 2 questions and not understanding why. I get its depending on sufficiency vs necessity conceptually but I'm just not seeing it when I go and do the practices for some reason. Its so obvious when watching the videos but I keep slipping up when I actually try.
finished number 5 and accidentally clicked for the correct answer to number 4. was soooooo confused when my answer about unscheduled cruise ships was wrong based on the grounds of italian plumbers
I noticed that I flip the sentences around. Am I making a mistake recognizing Sufficient and Necessary? Each question I noticed I got the order convoluted.
@Daniel.p3raza I think your problem is that you are confusing necessary and sufficient indicators. I would recommend just memorizing the trigger words since not all of them are intuitive.
Sufficient: if, where, when, every, all, any, the only
Necessary: only, only if, only when, only where, always, must
@Daniel.p3raza i'd recommend slowing down a bit! esp while i'm still learning i'm making sure to think of examples for each option and/or switching it to an if/then statement. so, for example, number 4 would either be "If you are an italian plumber, then you can fly while wearing a raccoon suit" or "if you can fly while wearing a raccoon suit, then you are an italian plumber." In this case, the second would be correct, because some italian plumbers (i.e. mario and luigi) can surely fly while wearing raccoon suits, but not all italian plumbers can fly while wearing raccoon suits. the second option clarifies that "only" portion of the conditional
These can be weir for me at times. I have the same general format wherein the answer I give has the same overall format of the instructors. but I just wrote it a lil different. It had me questioning if I'm wrong. But I suppose not.
Example:
My answer for # 1: hunting is permitted -> deer population has not increased
/size of the deer population has not increased in the last eight years -> /hunting is permitted
Provided answer for #1: hunting is permitted → /(deer population increased in last eight years)
deer population increased in last eight years → /(hunting is permitted)
My answer for #3: VMJ -> formed on the basis of its consequences.
/formed on the basis of its consequences -> /VMJ
Provided answer for #3: valid moral judgment about a particular action → formed on the basis of action's consequences
/(formed on the basis of action's consequences) → /(valid moral judgment about a particular action)
@ChelseaSwaby03 to reveal the equivalent logic inherent in the sentence. It will help us understand the sufficient/necessary components better when answering questions and eliminating wrong answer choices that confuse the sufficient for necessary and necessary for sufficient.
i'm returning to these lessons again and I kept messing up #2. I group [planetary society will be endangered] at sufficient then [impacts from space] as necessary:
PSE --> IFS
/IFS --> /PSE
"If there are no impacts from space, then planetary society is not endangered"
but the CORRECT answer is sufficient clause is JUST [planetary society] and then necessary is the rest of the sentence.
PS --> EbIFS
/EbIFS --> /PS
"If it is not endangered by impacts from space, then it is not a planetary society"
I'm neglecting to "strip" the sentence first, I think?Because at it's base the sentence is "society will be endangered", where it is much easier to see okay WHAT type of society, and WHAT type of endangerment--those are the two concepts with tension.
@Cee🦋 I realized the same thing for msyelf. It's important to go back to your note/ earlier in the less where it says The idea immediately following the logical indicator is the necessary condition or he idea immediately following the logical indicator is the sufficient condition. I was getting confused why i was getting it wrong to until I noticed him breaking it down this way. I think they should provide an addtional video in terms of how to solve it/break it down the way he explains it which is more effective visually. That's why he adds 1 or 2 above those indicators.
While it may not have been relevant for this skill builder, does the english translation of say a premise with a group two indicator require an indicator of the same group? Does it matter? Here's an example:
#5: Cruise ships make unscheduled stops only when the necessities of safety demand that such course of action is prudent.
Unsceduled Stops (US) --> Necessities of Safety Demand (NSD)
/NSD --> /US
Since "only when" was the group two indicator, should I aim to use the same or another group two indicator when writing my translation into English from Lawgic? Does it matter?
@lemonpie the "only" implies the "Italian plumbers" indicates it to be the necessary condition.
It means that if someone is flying while wearing a raccoon suit, they must be an Italian plumber. So logically, it translates to: Flying in a raccoon suit → Italian plumbers. That makes flying in a raccoon suit the sufficient condition because it gives you enough evidence to conclude they’re Italian plumbers (like Mario or Luigi).
However, being an Italian plumber does not mean they have to be flying in a raccoon suit, they could just be regular plumbers.
Group 1: has the indicators (if, When, where, all, every, any, the only) it means that the sufficient indicator goes to the left side of the arrow.
Group 2: has the sets of indicators (only, Only if, only when, only where, always, must), meaning the necessary condition goes on the right side of the arrow.
am I making any sense? or do I need to re watch everything lol
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#4 and #5 ahhhhh
Something seems to not be clicking for me here. The last few skill builders I have been super confident but consistently missing 1 or 2 questions and not understanding why. I get its depending on sufficiency vs necessity conceptually but I'm just not seeing it when I go and do the practices for some reason. Its so obvious when watching the videos but I keep slipping up when I actually try.
@BenjaminMcDaniel Im with you. I think my mix up is coming from realizing order of sufficient/necessary
Would it be best to try and memorize the group 2 indicator words to make questions like #5 easier?
For #2, what would be the English translation of the contrapositive: /(endangered by impacts from space) → /(planetary society)
I got tripped up on #5 because I read when and figured that only was irrelevant since when is a indicator for sufficiency so I flipped them
finished number 5 and accidentally clicked for the correct answer to number 4. was soooooo confused when my answer about unscheduled cruise ships was wrong based on the grounds of italian plumbers
I noticed that I flip the sentences around. Am I making a mistake recognizing Sufficient and Necessary? Each question I noticed I got the order convoluted.
@Daniel.p3raza I think your problem is that you are confusing necessary and sufficient indicators. I would recommend just memorizing the trigger words since not all of them are intuitive.
Sufficient: if, where, when, every, all, any, the only
Necessary: only, only if, only when, only where, always, must
@Daniel.p3raza i'd recommend slowing down a bit! esp while i'm still learning i'm making sure to think of examples for each option and/or switching it to an if/then statement. so, for example, number 4 would either be "If you are an italian plumber, then you can fly while wearing a raccoon suit" or "if you can fly while wearing a raccoon suit, then you are an italian plumber." In this case, the second would be correct, because some italian plumbers (i.e. mario and luigi) can surely fly while wearing raccoon suits, but not all italian plumbers can fly while wearing raccoon suits. the second option clarifies that "only" portion of the conditional
These can be weir for me at times. I have the same general format wherein the answer I give has the same overall format of the instructors. but I just wrote it a lil different. It had me questioning if I'm wrong. But I suppose not.
Example:
My answer for # 1: hunting is permitted -> deer population has not increased
/size of the deer population has not increased in the last eight years -> /hunting is permitted
Provided answer for #1: hunting is permitted → /(deer population increased in last eight years)
deer population increased in last eight years → /(hunting is permitted)
My answer for #3: VMJ -> formed on the basis of its consequences.
/formed on the basis of its consequences -> /VMJ
Provided answer for #3: valid moral judgment about a particular action → formed on the basis of action's consequences
/(formed on the basis of action's consequences) → /(valid moral judgment about a particular action)
I'm understanding how to do them but i'm not understanding why. Why do they switch around when it comes to putting the negation?
@ChelseaSwaby03 to reveal the equivalent logic inherent in the sentence. It will help us understand the sufficient/necessary components better when answering questions and eliminating wrong answer choices that confuse the sufficient for necessary and necessary for sufficient.
@NinaA Thank you!
Why does the title say " Skill Builder - Group 2 Translations 3" while the questions have a mix of both Group 1 & 2 indicators?
i'm returning to these lessons again and I kept messing up #2. I group [planetary society will be endangered] at sufficient then [impacts from space] as necessary:
PSE --> IFS
/IFS --> /PSE
"If there are no impacts from space, then planetary society is not endangered"
but the CORRECT answer is sufficient clause is JUST [planetary society] and then necessary is the rest of the sentence.
PS --> EbIFS
/EbIFS --> /PS
"If it is not endangered by impacts from space, then it is not a planetary society"
I'm neglecting to "strip" the sentence first, I think?Because at it's base the sentence is "society will be endangered", where it is much easier to see okay WHAT type of society, and WHAT type of endangerment--those are the two concepts with tension.
#Help
Been getting them all correct so far until I got to #4 in this skill builder. I put:
IP WRS --> IP can fly
/(IP can fly) --> /(IP WRS)
IP = Italian Plumber
WRS = Wearing Raccoon Suit
Is this completely incorrect? How can I avoid making this mistake in the future when I come across similarly structured conditional statements?
@Cee🦋 I realized the same thing for msyelf. It's important to go back to your note/ earlier in the less where it says The idea immediately following the logical indicator is the necessary condition or he idea immediately following the logical indicator is the sufficient condition. I was getting confused why i was getting it wrong to until I noticed him breaking it down this way. I think they should provide an addtional video in terms of how to solve it/break it down the way he explains it which is more effective visually. That's why he adds 1 or 2 above those indicators.
This lesson is so confusing to me 🥴
It clicked for me from the Mario reference that the arrow cannot go the opposite way if the argument is to be vaild
Here is what the answer gives
can fly while wearing raccoon suit → Italian plumber
/(Italian plumbers) → /(fly while wearing raccoon suit)
HOWEVER IT IS INVAILD to conclude that
Italian plumber → can fly while wearing raccoon suit
If Italian plumber, then can fly while wearing raccoon suit
Which is not true, because only Luigi and Mario can fly while wearing raccoon suits
I made flash cards to help memorize group 1-4 conditional indicators, thought I’d share in case it would be helpful to anyone else. I’m redoing this course after getting through most of it and taking the lsat and not doing as well as I hoped. Looking back I realize how important it is to know these. https://quizlet.com/1153975729/lsat-7sage-conditional-indicators-to-share-flash-cards/?i=71yhg9&x=1jqY
Question 4's Mario reference completely went over my head
While it may not have been relevant for this skill builder, does the english translation of say a premise with a group two indicator require an indicator of the same group? Does it matter? Here's an example:
#5: Cruise ships make unscheduled stops only when the necessities of safety demand that such course of action is prudent.
Unsceduled Stops (US) --> Necessities of Safety Demand (NSD)
/NSD --> /US
Since "only when" was the group two indicator, should I aim to use the same or another group two indicator when writing my translation into English from Lawgic? Does it matter?
#2 is confusing me, because of the word impacts. My thinking was in order for the society to be endangered, impacts from space must happen.
@ShanR I should just focus on the word "every" more.
4/5 I got all the rest right but number 1. The two beginning commas triped me up
#4
I got confused because I misunderstood the placement of “only.” It’s “ONLY plumbers can fly while…” not “Plumbers can ONLY fly while…” OMGGGG
can someone explain to me why in group 4 italian plumbers goes after the arrow ?
@lemonpie the "only" implies the "Italian plumbers" indicates it to be the necessary condition.
It means that if someone is flying while wearing a raccoon suit, they must be an Italian plumber. So logically, it translates to: Flying in a raccoon suit → Italian plumbers. That makes flying in a raccoon suit the sufficient condition because it gives you enough evidence to conclude they’re Italian plumbers (like Mario or Luigi).
However, being an Italian plumber does not mean they have to be flying in a raccoon suit, they could just be regular plumbers.
@LamontNarcisse thank you
@LamontNarcisse Omg thank you, idk why your explanation finally made it click for me!!
3/5 numbers 4 and 5 tripped me up but keeping it pushing!
Wow, 5 tripped me up. So annoying
I keep writing the conditions backwards on questions like #4 & #5. Everything else made sense to me. Any advice?
just to confirm
Group 1: has the indicators (if, When, where, all, every, any, the only) it means that the sufficient indicator goes to the left side of the arrow.
Group 2: has the sets of indicators (only, Only if, only when, only where, always, must), meaning the necessary condition goes on the right side of the arrow.
am I making any sense? or do I need to re watch everything lol