@ChelseaSwaby03 to reveal the equivalent logic inherent in the sentence. It will help us understand the sufficient/necessary components better when answering questions and eliminating wrong answer choices that confuse the sufficient for necessary and necessary for sufficient.
i'm returning to these lessons again and I kept messing up #2. I group [planetary society will be endangered] at sufficient then [impacts from space] as necessary:
PSE --> IFS
/IFS --> /PSE
"If there are no impacts from space, then planetary society is not endangered"
but the CORRECT answer is sufficient clause is JUST [planetary society] and then necessary is the rest of the sentence.
PS --> EbIFS
/EbIFS --> /PS
"If it is not endangered by impacts from space, then it is not a planetary society"
I'm neglecting to "strip" the sentence first, I think?Because at it's base the sentence is "society will be endangered", where it is much easier to see okay WHAT type of society, and WHAT type of endangerment--those are the two concepts with tension.
@Cee🦋 I realized the same thing for msyelf. It's important to go back to your note/ earlier in the less where it says The idea immediately following the logical indicator is the necessary condition or he idea immediately following the logical indicator is the sufficient condition. I was getting confused why i was getting it wrong to until I noticed him breaking it down this way. I think they should provide an addtional video in terms of how to solve it/break it down the way he explains it which is more effective visually. That's why he adds 1 or 2 above those indicators.
While it may not have been relevant for this skill builder, does the english translation of say a premise with a group two indicator require an indicator of the same group? Does it matter? Here's an example:
#5: Cruise ships make unscheduled stops only when the necessities of safety demand that such course of action is prudent.
Unsceduled Stops (US) --> Necessities of Safety Demand (NSD)
/NSD --> /US
Since "only when" was the group two indicator, should I aim to use the same or another group two indicator when writing my translation into English from Lawgic? Does it matter?
@lemonpie the "only" implies the "Italian plumbers" indicates it to be the necessary condition.
It means that if someone is flying while wearing a raccoon suit, they must be an Italian plumber. So logically, it translates to: Flying in a raccoon suit → Italian plumbers. That makes flying in a raccoon suit the sufficient condition because it gives you enough evidence to conclude they’re Italian plumbers (like Mario or Luigi).
However, being an Italian plumber does not mean they have to be flying in a raccoon suit, they could just be regular plumbers.
Group 1: has the indicators (if, When, where, all, every, any, the only) it means that the sufficient indicator goes to the left side of the arrow.
Group 2: has the sets of indicators (only, Only if, only when, only where, always, must), meaning the necessary condition goes on the right side of the arrow.
am I making any sense? or do I need to re watch everything lol
@HenryLehmann holy thank you I was so confused. I thought Every was group 2 so I had to go back in my notes after seeing this comment and see why I was messing up the placements
how do you decide which goes "first" in the lawgic sequence? for question three for example, i presumed it would be (formed on basis of consequences) -> valid moral judgment... i'm just confused on how to understand the order of the logical sequence
@ch1oekan9 The order of the lawgic sequence is always SC->NC, so the sufficient condition will always be on the left of the arrow.
For question 3, the indicator "any" (group 1) shows the condition immediately following ("valid moral judgement") is the sufficient condition, which would make "formed on the basis of consequences" the necessary condition.
If you put this into the lawgic format, it would read:
valid moral judgement -> formed on the basis of action's consequences (SC->NC)
Memorizing/recognizing the conditional indicators helped me the most with these!
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I'm understanding how to do them but i'm not understanding why. Why do they switch around when it comes to putting the negation?
@ChelseaSwaby03 to reveal the equivalent logic inherent in the sentence. It will help us understand the sufficient/necessary components better when answering questions and eliminating wrong answer choices that confuse the sufficient for necessary and necessary for sufficient.
@NinaA Thank you!
Why does the title say " Skill Builder - Group 2 Translations 3" while the questions have a mix of both Group 1 & 2 indicators?
i'm returning to these lessons again and I kept messing up #2. I group [planetary society will be endangered] at sufficient then [impacts from space] as necessary:
PSE --> IFS
/IFS --> /PSE
"If there are no impacts from space, then planetary society is not endangered"
but the CORRECT answer is sufficient clause is JUST [planetary society] and then necessary is the rest of the sentence.
PS --> EbIFS
/EbIFS --> /PS
"If it is not endangered by impacts from space, then it is not a planetary society"
I'm neglecting to "strip" the sentence first, I think?Because at it's base the sentence is "society will be endangered", where it is much easier to see okay WHAT type of society, and WHAT type of endangerment--those are the two concepts with tension.
#Help
Been getting them all correct so far until I got to #4 in this skill builder. I put:
IP WRS --> IP can fly
/(IP can fly) --> /(IP WRS)
IP = Italian Plumber
WRS = Wearing Raccoon Suit
Is this completely incorrect? How can I avoid making this mistake in the future when I come across similarly structured conditional statements?
@Cee🦋 I realized the same thing for msyelf. It's important to go back to your note/ earlier in the less where it says The idea immediately following the logical indicator is the necessary condition or he idea immediately following the logical indicator is the sufficient condition. I was getting confused why i was getting it wrong to until I noticed him breaking it down this way. I think they should provide an addtional video in terms of how to solve it/break it down the way he explains it which is more effective visually. That's why he adds 1 or 2 above those indicators.
This lesson is so confusing to me 🥴
It clicked for me from the Mario reference that the arrow cannot go the opposite way if the argument is to be vaild
Here is what the answer gives
can fly while wearing raccoon suit → Italian plumber
/(Italian plumbers) → /(fly while wearing raccoon suit)
HOWEVER IT IS INVAILD to conclude that
Italian plumber → can fly while wearing raccoon suit
If Italian plumber, then can fly while wearing raccoon suit
Which is not true, because only Luigi and Mario can fly while wearing raccoon suits
I made flash cards to help memorize group 1-4 conditional indicators, thought I’d share in case it would be helpful to anyone else. I’m redoing this course after getting through most of it and taking the lsat and not doing as well as I hoped. Looking back I realize how important it is to know these. https://quizlet.com/1153975729/lsat-7sage-conditional-indicators-to-share-flash-cards/?i=71yhg9&x=1jqY
Question 4's Mario reference completely went over my head
While it may not have been relevant for this skill builder, does the english translation of say a premise with a group two indicator require an indicator of the same group? Does it matter? Here's an example:
#5: Cruise ships make unscheduled stops only when the necessities of safety demand that such course of action is prudent.
Unsceduled Stops (US) --> Necessities of Safety Demand (NSD)
/NSD --> /US
Since "only when" was the group two indicator, should I aim to use the same or another group two indicator when writing my translation into English from Lawgic? Does it matter?
#2 is confusing me, because of the word impacts. My thinking was in order for the society to be endangered, impacts from space must happen.
@ShanR I should just focus on the word "every" more.
4/5 I got all the rest right but number 1. The two beginning commas triped me up
#4
I got confused because I misunderstood the placement of “only.” It’s “ONLY plumbers can fly while…” not “Plumbers can ONLY fly while…” OMGGGG
can someone explain to me why in group 4 italian plumbers goes after the arrow ?
@lemonpie the "only" implies the "Italian plumbers" indicates it to be the necessary condition.
It means that if someone is flying while wearing a raccoon suit, they must be an Italian plumber. So logically, it translates to: Flying in a raccoon suit → Italian plumbers. That makes flying in a raccoon suit the sufficient condition because it gives you enough evidence to conclude they’re Italian plumbers (like Mario or Luigi).
However, being an Italian plumber does not mean they have to be flying in a raccoon suit, they could just be regular plumbers.
@LamontNarcisse thank you
3/5 numbers 4 and 5 tripped me up but keeping it pushing!
Wow, 5 tripped me up. So annoying
I keep writing the conditions backwards on questions like #4 & #5. Everything else made sense to me. Any advice?
just to confirm
Group 1: has the indicators (if, When, where, all, every, any, the only) it means that the sufficient indicator goes to the left side of the arrow.
Group 2: has the sets of indicators (only, Only if, only when, only where, always, must), meaning the necessary condition goes on the right side of the arrow.
am I making any sense? or do I need to re watch everything lol
#1 and #4 got me
4/5, #2 tripped me up
i was trying to say something like:
planetary society will be endangered -> impacts from space
but i kinda missed that the question was trying to make a distinction between planetary society and other forms of society.
now i recognize what contrapositive really means.....
@JodiChan what does it mean ?asking for a friend... The friend is me 🥲
5/5 but number four really tripped me out.
3/5
Okay officially going back to write down which words are group 1 and which are group 2
@HenryLehmann holy thank you I was so confused. I thought Every was group 2 so I had to go back in my notes after seeing this comment and see why I was messing up the placements
@JKang omg thank you! ...same here! lol
Finally a proper 5/5
how do you decide which goes "first" in the lawgic sequence? for question three for example, i presumed it would be (formed on basis of consequences) -> valid moral judgment... i'm just confused on how to understand the order of the logical sequence
@ch1oekan9 The order of the lawgic sequence is always SC->NC, so the sufficient condition will always be on the left of the arrow.
For question 3, the indicator "any" (group 1) shows the condition immediately following ("valid moral judgement") is the sufficient condition, which would make "formed on the basis of consequences" the necessary condition.
If you put this into the lawgic format, it would read:
valid moral judgement -> formed on the basis of action's consequences (SC->NC)
Memorizing/recognizing the conditional indicators helped me the most with these!
@JessM here is an explanation
@elenanikolovski Great explanation.