@epayne17 as time progresses you'll answer on time. Focus on accuracy. The more accurate you are at being accurate the quicker you'll become. You got this .
To whoever cares: One thing that is helping me with speed on MC questions is to find the conclusion. That sounds like a given, and it is. More often than not these question types follow the same rules. Look for transition words.
This stimulus states:
"but this process can be awkward for both the patients and the physicians, SINCE" (followed by premises)
Now look at the answer choices.
C is almost a carbon copy of that.
"This process of obtaining a second medical opinion can be awkward for those involved."
All you're adding is what the process is and the other answers (the incorrect ones have "assumptions")
A) - not seek a second opinion? what?
B) - essentially restating a premise given. Not the conclusion.
D) - uncomfortable? It mentions that in a premise. AND always? that language is too strong. You are adding stuff in which makes it incorrect.
E) - It focuses on the patient being concerned about offending physician and completely ignoring the fact that it is awkward for both parties.
I also did. It makes sense that we interpreted D as an assumption because of its use of "always uncomfortable," but that's what the creators WANTED us to fall for. Although you can identify it's the wrong answer, it is still important to recognize WHY it's wrong. As said in the video, it's not wrong because of the assumption it's making, but rather it mistakenly identifies the wrong modifying agent.
As for B, the assumption I fell for was the sufficient and necessary conditions, but actually, this assumption isn't correct because it is made based on entirely separate circumstances (in the case in which second opinions are necessary), which at no point is that assumed in the stimulus.
Hopefully this helps? I think explaining it helps my understanding better since I also made the same mistake you did.
Any tips on timing? I rushed and picked E first time around, and then during blind review, I took my time and then realized C was the correct answer immediately.
Heyy, for this type of question, I tend to use the highlighting tools. I normally highlight context/someone else's opinion, the author's argument, and the premises for the conclusion in different colors, and that helps me differentiate the different elements, then you just go to the answer choices and I feel like it's been helping. Of course, you need to be able to identify those elements, but I feel like colors help, since we can't really write notes around the stimulus
Hey guys, I'm trying to get in the habit of translating stimuli into abstracted argument outlines. I'm trying to get sharper at translating complex arg structures. I'm pretty sure there's not really any reason to include the first sentence in this stimulus within an argument outline; while context is useful for understanding an argument, it's not necessary for an argument's validity, right?
I have a quick question: Do they always need to paraphrase the conclusion, or are there times when they state it word for word? How can I differentiate when to choose the word-for-word option versus paraphrasing?
The stimulus tells you whether the answer needs to be word for word or not. In this question, the stimulus states, "Which one of the following most accurately states the conclusion?" "Most accurately" indicates that the answer does not necessarily have to be word for word. However, a word for word answer would be more accurate than an answer that says the same thing, but paraphrases it.
i used to worry about this too but honestly you never remember what the right answer is when a question re-occurs, that's why many people often retake the same prep tests when they've exhuasted other ones. its more about the logic presented and going through the process again, even if you are familiar with the subject.
The main conclusion is that seeking a second medical opinion can be awkward, but it is sometimes advisable. C. Restates this
What makes the wrong answer wrong?
A. Concludes something entirely different from what the passage is saying.
B. We don't know if the 1st physician often feels this way - restating a premise in more definite terms. This might support the conclusion if A were the correct answer.
D. Always - these are hypothetical feelings of the physicians. Not all physicians are going to feel this insecurity, as far as we know from the passage.
E. This is the second part of the sentence that includes the conclusion, and it is a premise.
I was able to quickly identify the conclusion, but I'm not sure if I should keep reading through the entire stimulus. If I'm confident in my choice should I look at my answer choices or keep reading to be safe?
I would say read the whole thing because your gonna get a question wrong and if you would've read the whole thing you'd have a better chance of getting it correct.
I would highly advise against this due to 2 main reasons.
1. Remember, that this is all a relationship, a conclusion is only a conclusion in relation to the premises and context.
2. The second reason is it ties into the first reason in the sense that; you could easily mistake a sub-conclusion as a conclusion by not reading the rest of the text. A sub conclusion is a statement that can be both a premise and conclusion.
Very curious about this too! Especially considering the time constraints, I feel obligated to move on once I am 90% sure I have identified the conclusion.
I highly agree with this. I did this once on a set of practice problems, and got it wrong because I found a conclusion and stopped reading it, but it ended up being a sub conclusion. The very next sentence was the main conclusion, that I would have easily identified had I read on. Additionally, I've also seen some talk of there even being an instance of multiple sub conclusions that build to a main conclusion. Not sure if that situation is very common, but it is always a good idea to read the entire stimulus and stop to anticipate every time before looking at answers. I personally like to identify what each sentence is even on main point questions to have the process down for identifying all aspects to make it easier when doing role and describe questions. I find identifying each part really helps.
When I use the blind review method, I kinda do it like this!
1. First try the question, doing my best to get within the target time. Sometimes this means I don't get to spend a lot of time thinking about answers or dissecting the meaning of the passage. This is what step 2 is for!
2. Blind review step! I go through the question again, this time without a time limit. I go through the passage, often reading it out loud, and I talk myself through each of the possible answers. For each answer (a,b,c.. etc) I make note of what I think makes it right or wrong in the answer box. I also look at which answer I chose, and try to figure out why I chose it the first time, and whether I still think I'm right on further review!
3. Finish the question, and find out the correct answer!
This has been working out really well for me so far (obvs can be customized to fit your best learning methods) and even though it's a bit time consuming I really recommend it! LMK if anyone has any other ideas.
i had C, but then chose D (Dont ask me why) because i didnt like the lack of detail in "Those Involved." My mind asked "whos involved? are we adding more people in this besides the patient and doctor? too risky of an answer."
The question you have to ask is who would be "involved" in giving the opinion. Sure, there could be another person in the room while the doctor is examining the patient and giving their opinion, but really, the opinion is only being asked for and provided by the patient and the doctors.
Same! I’ve tried LR before 7sage without all the foundation building and it was hell trying to not only get questions right, but also understanding them. Definitely feel like all the intense foundation work is paying off! :)
I feel like understanding the difference between "always" and "sometimes" will be significant, especially when it comes to necessary assumption questions. To say that "physicians are always uncomfortable" would not be required, but to say that "sometimes uncomfortable" would be. Then again, would this be the kind of necessary assumption the LSAT would write? I feel like it's required for a premise and not necessarily the support in the argument.
I am not very familiar with the blind review. Can anyone explain how to use it or why? Why can we do a review after knowing our answer choice is write or wrong?
Basically blind review is a way to look at the question again untimed where you can see your thought process on selecting your choice. This is helpful way to see if you understand questions or not and if you got them wrong based off of just being nervous / misreading or just not understanding the actual concepts needed to answer.
Howdy, would someone please explain the best way to blind review questions? I am asked to blind review the q immediately after completing it, and at that point I haven't watched the video explaining the answer. I think I must be misunderstanding, thank you for any help!
Little bit late of a reply but if you still need it, you should take as much time as you need to go through each answer choice until you can be 100% certain the ones you didn't pick are wrong and the one you pick is 100% correct. This process can lead to you changing your answer and if you do make note of the reasonings for why you changed and why you chose your initial option during the timed section.
haha thanks so much! i looked up some videos on it & found there were a few different methods. it seems like the one you mention is most recommended. i appreciate you:-)
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When I get happy I got one right but its level 1 difficulty and 98% of people got it
I got it!!!!
YAYAYA got it right! But I am always above the time frame :/ ive got to work on that :)
got it right, but I have yet to answer a single question on-time
@epayne17 as time progresses you'll answer on time. Focus on accuracy. The more accurate you are at being accurate the quicker you'll become. You got this .
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@MRod LOL me too!!
I am on a rolllllllll. WOOHOO!
To whoever cares: One thing that is helping me with speed on MC questions is to find the conclusion. That sounds like a given, and it is. More often than not these question types follow the same rules. Look for transition words.
This stimulus states:
"but this process can be awkward for both the patients and the physicians, SINCE" (followed by premises)
Now look at the answer choices.
C is almost a carbon copy of that.
"This process of obtaining a second medical opinion can be awkward for those involved."
All you're adding is what the process is and the other answers (the incorrect ones have "assumptions")
A) - not seek a second opinion? what?
B) - essentially restating a premise given. Not the conclusion.
D) - uncomfortable? It mentions that in a premise. AND always? that language is too strong. You are adding stuff in which makes it incorrect.
E) - It focuses on the patient being concerned about offending physician and completely ignoring the fact that it is awkward for both parties.
@goodluckonthelsatguys yesss. I think once you can pinpoint what the conclusion is, it becomes simple to understand what the premise is.
Did anyone else interpret (B) and (D) as assumptions? Was I incorrect in my analysis?
I also did. It makes sense that we interpreted D as an assumption because of its use of "always uncomfortable," but that's what the creators WANTED us to fall for. Although you can identify it's the wrong answer, it is still important to recognize WHY it's wrong. As said in the video, it's not wrong because of the assumption it's making, but rather it mistakenly identifies the wrong modifying agent.
As for B, the assumption I fell for was the sufficient and necessary conditions, but actually, this assumption isn't correct because it is made based on entirely separate circumstances (in the case in which second opinions are necessary), which at no point is that assumed in the stimulus.
Hopefully this helps? I think explaining it helps my understanding better since I also made the same mistake you did.
Any tips on timing? I rushed and picked E first time around, and then during blind review, I took my time and then realized C was the correct answer immediately.
Heyy, for this type of question, I tend to use the highlighting tools. I normally highlight context/someone else's opinion, the author's argument, and the premises for the conclusion in different colors, and that helps me differentiate the different elements, then you just go to the answer choices and I feel like it's been helping. Of course, you need to be able to identify those elements, but I feel like colors help, since we can't really write notes around the stimulus
JY be like "How do you like me now?" to everybody who commented "HOW IS THIS APPLICABLE??" "need more LSAT examples!" "Where are the videos??
Hey guys, I'm trying to get in the habit of translating stimuli into abstracted argument outlines. I'm trying to get sharper at translating complex arg structures. I'm pretty sure there's not really any reason to include the first sentence in this stimulus within an argument outline; while context is useful for understanding an argument, it's not necessary for an argument's validity, right?
I believe that's correct, particularly in formal logic
I have a quick question: Do they always need to paraphrase the conclusion, or are there times when they state it word for word? How can I differentiate when to choose the word-for-word option versus paraphrasing?
The stimulus tells you whether the answer needs to be word for word or not. In this question, the stimulus states, "Which one of the following most accurately states the conclusion?" "Most accurately" indicates that the answer does not necessarily have to be word for word. However, a word for word answer would be more accurate than an answer that says the same thing, but paraphrases it.
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Do the LR "You Try" questions all come from a limited number of PrepTests? I ask because I want to avoid 'spoiling' too many of these PrepTests.
i used to worry about this too but honestly you never remember what the right answer is when a question re-occurs, that's why many people often retake the same prep tests when they've exhuasted other ones. its more about the logic presented and going through the process again, even if you are familiar with the subject.
second this
What makes the correct answer correct?
The main conclusion is that seeking a second medical opinion can be awkward, but it is sometimes advisable. C. Restates this
What makes the wrong answer wrong?
A. Concludes something entirely different from what the passage is saying.
B. We don't know if the 1st physician often feels this way - restating a premise in more definite terms. This might support the conclusion if A were the correct answer.
D. Always - these are hypothetical feelings of the physicians. Not all physicians are going to feel this insecurity, as far as we know from the passage.
E. This is the second part of the sentence that includes the conclusion, and it is a premise.
Feeling a little better that I got this one right.
Wouldn't answer choice D be considered too strong? That's what I initially thought once I saw the word "always"
Nevermind, my question was just answered lol.
getting these correct first try is curing my depression
second this
I was able to quickly identify the conclusion, but I'm not sure if I should keep reading through the entire stimulus. If I'm confident in my choice should I look at my answer choices or keep reading to be safe?
I would say read the whole thing because your gonna get a question wrong and if you would've read the whole thing you'd have a better chance of getting it correct.
I would highly advise against this due to 2 main reasons.
1. Remember, that this is all a relationship, a conclusion is only a conclusion in relation to the premises and context.
2. The second reason is it ties into the first reason in the sense that; you could easily mistake a sub-conclusion as a conclusion by not reading the rest of the text. A sub conclusion is a statement that can be both a premise and conclusion.
Very curious about this too! Especially considering the time constraints, I feel obligated to move on once I am 90% sure I have identified the conclusion.
I highly agree with this. I did this once on a set of practice problems, and got it wrong because I found a conclusion and stopped reading it, but it ended up being a sub conclusion. The very next sentence was the main conclusion, that I would have easily identified had I read on. Additionally, I've also seen some talk of there even being an instance of multiple sub conclusions that build to a main conclusion. Not sure if that situation is very common, but it is always a good idea to read the entire stimulus and stop to anticipate every time before looking at answers. I personally like to identify what each sentence is even on main point questions to have the process down for identifying all aspects to make it easier when doing role and describe questions. I find identifying each part really helps.
can someone pls explain how to use the blind review method in these lessons.
I think it’s just the video explanation…? I think.
When I use the blind review method, I kinda do it like this!
1. First try the question, doing my best to get within the target time. Sometimes this means I don't get to spend a lot of time thinking about answers or dissecting the meaning of the passage. This is what step 2 is for!
2. Blind review step! I go through the question again, this time without a time limit. I go through the passage, often reading it out loud, and I talk myself through each of the possible answers. For each answer (a,b,c.. etc) I make note of what I think makes it right or wrong in the answer box. I also look at which answer I chose, and try to figure out why I chose it the first time, and whether I still think I'm right on further review!
3. Finish the question, and find out the correct answer!
This has been working out really well for me so far (obvs can be customized to fit your best learning methods) and even though it's a bit time consuming I really recommend it! LMK if anyone has any other ideas.
i had C, but then chose D (Dont ask me why) because i didnt like the lack of detail in "Those Involved." My mind asked "whos involved? are we adding more people in this besides the patient and doctor? too risky of an answer."
i interpreted it as "those involved" being the patient, first doctor, and second doctor since those were the only people mentioned in the paragraph
The question you have to ask is who would be "involved" in giving the opinion. Sure, there could be another person in the room while the doctor is examining the patient and giving their opinion, but really, the opinion is only being asked for and provided by the patient and the doctors.
@rosadoj2193 Think of it this way: In MC questions, the 'wrong' answer like likely take the conclusion too far.
i feel like i am seeing color for the first time O.o i feel my brain getting bigger after each section of this lesson
Same! I’ve tried LR before 7sage without all the foundation building and it was hell trying to not only get questions right, but also understanding them. Definitely feel like all the intense foundation work is paying off! :)
I feel like understanding the difference between "always" and "sometimes" will be significant, especially when it comes to necessary assumption questions. To say that "physicians are always uncomfortable" would not be required, but to say that "sometimes uncomfortable" would be. Then again, would this be the kind of necessary assumption the LSAT would write? I feel like it's required for a premise and not necessarily the support in the argument.
I am not very familiar with the blind review. Can anyone explain how to use it or why? Why can we do a review after knowing our answer choice is write or wrong?
Basically blind review is a way to look at the question again untimed where you can see your thought process on selecting your choice. This is helpful way to see if you understand questions or not and if you got them wrong based off of just being nervous / misreading or just not understanding the actual concepts needed to answer.
thank you
how is the maker of 7sage so smart that he knows all these tricks and tips
Seriously I feel like my eyes have been opened. I'm glad he chose to make a business out of teaching the LSAT.
Howdy, would someone please explain the best way to blind review questions? I am asked to blind review the q immediately after completing it, and at that point I haven't watched the video explaining the answer. I think I must be misunderstanding, thank you for any help!
Little bit late of a reply but if you still need it, you should take as much time as you need to go through each answer choice until you can be 100% certain the ones you didn't pick are wrong and the one you pick is 100% correct. This process can lead to you changing your answer and if you do make note of the reasonings for why you changed and why you chose your initial option during the timed section.
haha thanks so much! i looked up some videos on it & found there were a few different methods. it seems like the one you mention is most recommended. i appreciate you:-)