So, in sports if you rush while learning something or when you aren't confident in it yet, it usually leads to injury or learning a bad habit that is really hard to undo.
Same thing applies here. Don't worry about timing. Just worry about accuracy. Speed comes with practicing something that you learned slowly first.
The way this guy can breakdown questions and how to spot certain things is crazy. I honestly can't wait till im done with CC and get to drilling to see my improvement.
I think people worry about timing way too much, especially early on.
You’re not going to meaningfully improve your speed before you improve your accuracy and understanding. It makes way more sense to take your time and get a question right than to get it wrong because you’re trying to hit some arbitrary pace.
I also think 7Sage’s target timing is kind of misleading if people take it too seriously. It may be fine as a rough benchmark, but it doesn’t reflect how people actually perform. Most people are not equally fast across every question type. It’s completely normal to be slower on something like Flaw questions and much faster on Main Conclusion questions, or the other way around. People have different strengths, and their timing is going to reflect that. Even the subject matter can affect timing too since some people will naturally move faster through something like history and slower through science, art, or anything else they are less comfortable with.
@Mina.G It means the time on the timer when you started looking at the question. It's more useful for drills, sections, or preptests where you are doing more than one question. For One question exercises like this, the timer always starts at 00:00
#feedback It would be helpful to show which test the question comes from before you take the drill so that one knows if doing it will potentially burn a question on a practice test or timed section one planned on taking. Thanks!
@peterfoulke1 agreed — i need to know the test it’s coming from Before i start the question! I’m trying to preserve tests and sections so I can keep them 100% fresh
I'm really quite enjoying the hands-on approach of answering questions. Although, I can already see an issue I might have in the future: I read the stem, I find the main conclusion, and my eyes just glaze over for the rest of the stimulus. That's probably not good, but something I'll be sure to work on.
Is this bad though? I'm doing the same. I find the main conclusion and skim the rest to make sure it is supporting what I think it should be supporting.
Actually, I think that is the ultimate goal of doing these exercises! This question had a target time of 0:36. I think this target would be impossible--or at the very least, difficult-- to achieve if you were to read through the entirety of the stimulus AND eliminate answer choices. The idea is to develop an "intuition" sharp enough to QUICKLY (and correctly) identify the main conclusion and anticipate what the answer might be BEFORE even looking at the answer choices, which it seems you have done!
It really does feel extremely formulaic deriving the conclusion from these questions.
Context-->conclusion-->Premises
I'm sure things get a bit trickier as this lesson progresses, but I feel pretty encouraged at my ability to quickly and confidently pick the right answers in all three of these questions.
I've found that this is one of the things the LSAT definitely will try and trick you with. I was encourage by others/tutors to never engage in the test taking meta-strategies that we learn in traditional academia.
things like,
"that seems too simple to be the answer"
"well the last two were C they can't all be C"
etc.,
is usually the test makers messing with you and trying to get you to waste seconds doubting your own knowledge.
Just pointing out something that I assume may come up on or apply to a future LR lesson?
I made a note about the use of "HOME" instead of "NURSING HOME" in sentence 3/ premise 2...
Keeping the ideal experiment practice in mind could we say that premise 2 stating that pets "make one's time at HOME more rewarding" does not strengthen the argument that time with a pet at a NURSING HOME is rewarding. In the context it states that MANY nursing homes have prohibitions against having pets so the argument would be better suited with data directly from NURSING HOMES from the subset of many that do allow pets?
Or maybe I am doing too much detective work and reading a bit much into details and just finished my second coffee and need to chill. lol
So when we identify the conclusion, do we not find an answer that includes context in it along with the conclusion? or can we ignore the rest and just find an answer that closely aligns with just the conclusion sentence?
i had the same question/confusion in basically all my practice tests up until now -- demonstrated by the fact that I answered D. on the previous dinosaur question, which included context AND (what i thought to be) the conclusion. i think it's safe to say that the correct answer on these questions will contain only a restating/paraphrasing of the conclusion, and nothing else. that certainly seems to be true from these 7sage lessons on this type of question, but also seems to be true from my own review of ~5 practice tests where i got this question type wrong. i think maybe we have a tendency to want to include the conclusion AND some support in our answer choice (because that's probably what we would do in real life maybe?) but really the correct answer choice JUST wants the conclusion. hopefully i'm right on this, and hopefully that helps! best of luck on your journey :)<3
I noticed that there are some videos, this one included, where the UI doesn't give me the option to increase the video's playback speed. is this intentional? Or perhaps an issue on my end?
When this happens to me I just open a new tab and the option will normally be on the second tab. I think the typical speed you watch at sticks when you've been viewing multiple lessons.
It seems to me like Answer A on "Second Medical Opinion" and Answer B on this page are similar wrong answer types, like if someone read the question stem and thought it was asking "What can YOU conclude from the paragraph as a whole?" or "What can be concluded FROM the argument?" Not realizing that it's asking "What is the AUTHOR (not you) concluding IN (not from) the argument?" Is that a common Wrong Answer Type?
Context: Many nursing homes have prohibitions against having pets
Conclusion: And these should be lifted
presence of animal can yield.. + pet makes one time rewarding + important to more people as life span increases = premises
Answer: C - because it demonstrates that the policy should be changed, indicated by "many nursing homes have prohibitions against having pets" due to it being true, C seems to be correct.
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So, in sports if you rush while learning something or when you aren't confident in it yet, it usually leads to injury or learning a bad habit that is really hard to undo.
Same thing applies here. Don't worry about timing. Just worry about accuracy. Speed comes with practicing something that you learned slowly first.
The way this guy can breakdown questions and how to spot certain things is crazy. I honestly can't wait till im done with CC and get to drilling to see my improvement.
got it right with ONE SECOND over are u fr
I got the exact target time lol
I think people worry about timing way too much, especially early on.
You’re not going to meaningfully improve your speed before you improve your accuracy and understanding. It makes way more sense to take your time and get a question right than to get it wrong because you’re trying to hit some arbitrary pace.
I also think 7Sage’s target timing is kind of misleading if people take it too seriously. It may be fine as a rough benchmark, but it doesn’t reflect how people actually perform. Most people are not equally fast across every question type. It’s completely normal to be slower on something like Flaw questions and much faster on Main Conclusion questions, or the other way around. People have different strengths, and their timing is going to reflect that. Even the subject matter can affect timing too since some people will naturally move faster through something like history and slower through science, art, or anything else they are less comfortable with.
What does
"First visited at: "
Mean in the 'Timing' section
@Mina.G It means the time on the timer when you started looking at the question. It's more useful for drills, sections, or preptests where you are doing more than one question. For One question exercises like this, the timer always starts at 00:00
3 IN A ROW YAYAYAYA but I am always going above the time
FINALLY got an easy question right lol... still over time though
i got this in 22 seconds i feel like a greek god
I have gotten the past 3 questions correct but I continue to overtime. I know I am in the crawling phase of learning but man is it frustrating.
ANOTHER 5 BIG BOOMS
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i liked the interpretation of E. that was interesting. argument is about action and E is about recognition
May be a slow moment for me but the mention of identifying incorrect answer choices are premises really helped me in these lessons.
The interpretation into policy felt so painfully obvious during the explanation, kinda frustrating on my end lol
Is the explanation in words under the video saying the same thing as the video? Should we look at both or one?
#feedback It would be helpful to show which test the question comes from before you take the drill so that one knows if doing it will potentially burn a question on a practice test or timed section one planned on taking. Thanks!
@peterfoulke1 it actually does tell you that. When you finish it on the correct / incorrect screen it says PT143 Section 4 Question 16
@peterfoulke1 agreed — i need to know the test it’s coming from Before i start the question! I’m trying to preserve tests and sections so I can keep them 100% fresh
I'm really quite enjoying the hands-on approach of answering questions. Although, I can already see an issue I might have in the future: I read the stem, I find the main conclusion, and my eyes just glaze over for the rest of the stimulus. That's probably not good, but something I'll be sure to work on.
Is this bad though? I'm doing the same. I find the main conclusion and skim the rest to make sure it is supporting what I think it should be supporting.
Actually, I think that is the ultimate goal of doing these exercises! This question had a target time of 0:36. I think this target would be impossible--or at the very least, difficult-- to achieve if you were to read through the entirety of the stimulus AND eliminate answer choices. The idea is to develop an "intuition" sharp enough to QUICKLY (and correctly) identify the main conclusion and anticipate what the answer might be BEFORE even looking at the answer choices, which it seems you have done!
@ava.perez41 I just pray this method works with all the other question types!
@Shannell_E'llan well, it shouldn't, right? on other question types, the goal isn't to zero in on the conclusion
that's why you read the question stem first
It really does feel extremely formulaic deriving the conclusion from these questions.
Context-->conclusion-->Premises
I'm sure things get a bit trickier as this lesson progresses, but I feel pretty encouraged at my ability to quickly and confidently pick the right answers in all three of these questions.
The answer being "c" in the last three MC questions really has me stressed while working through them on my own lol.
Same here lol
I've found that this is one of the things the LSAT definitely will try and trick you with. I was encourage by others/tutors to never engage in the test taking meta-strategies that we learn in traditional academia.
things like,
"that seems too simple to be the answer"
"well the last two were C they can't all be C"
etc.,
is usually the test makers messing with you and trying to get you to waste seconds doubting your own knowledge.
After learning how to recognize conclusions, all the other answers became "that's obviously wrong"
Its nice to actually feel progress
totally agree
I also agree. It's becoming easier to identify wrong answers!
Just pointing out something that I assume may come up on or apply to a future LR lesson?
I made a note about the use of "HOME" instead of "NURSING HOME" in sentence 3/ premise 2...
Keeping the ideal experiment practice in mind could we say that premise 2 stating that pets "make one's time at HOME more rewarding" does not strengthen the argument that time with a pet at a NURSING HOME is rewarding. In the context it states that MANY nursing homes have prohibitions against having pets so the argument would be better suited with data directly from NURSING HOMES from the subset of many that do allow pets?
Or maybe I am doing too much detective work and reading a bit much into details and just finished my second coffee and need to chill. lol
we're not being asked to think about what strengthens an argument in this question, just what the main conclusion of it is.
So when we identify the conclusion, do we not find an answer that includes context in it along with the conclusion? or can we ignore the rest and just find an answer that closely aligns with just the conclusion sentence?
i had the same question/confusion in basically all my practice tests up until now -- demonstrated by the fact that I answered D. on the previous dinosaur question, which included context AND (what i thought to be) the conclusion. i think it's safe to say that the correct answer on these questions will contain only a restating/paraphrasing of the conclusion, and nothing else. that certainly seems to be true from these 7sage lessons on this type of question, but also seems to be true from my own review of ~5 practice tests where i got this question type wrong. i think maybe we have a tendency to want to include the conclusion AND some support in our answer choice (because that's probably what we would do in real life maybe?) but really the correct answer choice JUST wants the conclusion. hopefully i'm right on this, and hopefully that helps! best of luck on your journey :)<3
I noticed that there are some videos, this one included, where the UI doesn't give me the option to increase the video's playback speed. is this intentional? Or perhaps an issue on my end?
When this happens to me I just open a new tab and the option will normally be on the second tab. I think the typical speed you watch at sticks when you've been viewing multiple lessons.
It seems to me like Answer A on "Second Medical Opinion" and Answer B on this page are similar wrong answer types, like if someone read the question stem and thought it was asking "What can YOU conclude from the paragraph as a whole?" or "What can be concluded FROM the argument?" Not realizing that it's asking "What is the AUTHOR (not you) concluding IN (not from) the argument?" Is that a common Wrong Answer Type?
How I recognize it:
Context: Many nursing homes have prohibitions against having pets
Conclusion: And these should be lifted
presence of animal can yield.. + pet makes one time rewarding + important to more people as life span increases = premises
Answer: C - because it demonstrates that the policy should be changed, indicated by "many nursing homes have prohibitions against having pets" due to it being true, C seems to be correct.