These questions make no sense to me. How is the answer B? I feel like in past lessons we were told not to pick answers like these because we don’t know if the cities financial predicament would have been resolved or not if the city didn’t invest in the computer modeling technology. I feel like we learned that other factors may have caused the financial predicament being resolved even if the city didn’t invest. Am I just being dumb? I feel like the passage didn’t say anything about that.
@DrewBetts I used the formula A → B → C and then subsequently A → C to solve this question because the stimulus says that without the investment in the computer modeling technology there would not be a change in the rush-hour traffic flow, then says the financial predicament would not have been solved without the change in rush-hour traffic flow, so a logical conclusion to be made is that the computer modeling technology fixed the financial predicament.
computer modeling technology → increased traffic flow → money for city
Same here. I took much longer on this one, but considering time saved on other problems (idealy), better to get answer completely right than chance a wrong answer for speed.
im 3/3 so far on this chapter and under time on all which is hype.
but i am not writing anything nor using all the steps shown in the lessons, im kind of just going based off intuiton and mapping everything in my head.
@JamesCochran so far this has been working for me, i had some trouble with questions that have EXCEPT because it's harder to hunt for the correct answer, have you experienced this
Normally I have not been writing down work. With problems like these, I have to. Is that a bad habit to start? Stupid question... but can you write anywhere on the test?
With this question, I got caught up in translating the claims using Group 4 indicators (like "not") which threw me off. How did you know to instead interpret the claim using "if"?
hmm that's a good question but i think it just comes down to understanding the basics of conditional reasoning questions. this question is just saying "if this happens then this happens", it wants you to look at the bigger picture. IF does a great job in letting you know that you should pay attention to the concepts of the conditional.
For example:
If i did not win the lottery, then i did not buy a lottery ticket
/W --> /BT
If i bought a lottery ticket, then i won the lottery
BT --> W
This of it like this: If (i did not win the lottery), then (i did not buy a lottery ticket).
Notice that these are two concepts
If you did use the group 4 indicators it would look wonky! Check it out:
W --> /BT OR BT --> /W
Think of what these things are saying...
W --> /BT: If i won the lottery then i did NOT buy a lottery ticket? what the heck lol
BT --> /W: If i bought a lottery ticket, then i did NOT win the lottery? i mean-- no? buying a lottery ticket might make you a bit delusional given that we know our chances of winning are low but it doesn't mean it is 0 and this basically makes it 0...
NONE of these are logically equivalent to my first example.
When in doubt, take your time and translate your LAWGIC to english. I hope this helps! I know your comment is old but I thought I would post a reply for my own understanding and for others!
YESSIR 0:56 seconds. Man I would be so stuck on this type of question if I didn't go through the Lawgic modules. That has really helped, even just mentally, the difference between sufficient and necessary items.
The way I have been answering these questions and getting them right is not by using lawgic or writing things down. Is that ok for the LSAT? Or am I setting myself up for failure?
@DavesHotChkn in my opinion as long as you are getting them right you have found a good method. writing things down is actually not preferred because you obviously can't on the actual lsat.
@DavesHotChkn I had this exact same concern a few questions back. I think it means you're intuitively getting the answers correct but it is a good skill to practice because you can use it as an anchor on harder questions.
@DavesHotChkn Yeah I have been doing the same thing too! I was worried about it and honestly, if we start doing intuitive earlier it will help us when it comes to the test!
Man somehow I thought the word "resultant" was referring to WHY the rush hour traffic flow increased, not the result of increasing the capacity of the bridge. Smh!
:( i had all the logic written down correctly, but i didn't choose B because i thought that answer choice was saying the terms in the wrong order. saying like if necessary then sufficient.
for me as an old folk student that joined the work force instead of going right into law school from gradschool, this question made me so annoyed to read through. In the work place i wouldve just wrtitten a big question mark on it and handed it back to whatever schlemiel wrote it and told them to rewrite it.
I got it right, but it took me a good min. Tbf I skipped over the LSAT Fundamentals and went straight to LR. Imma go over the fundamentals tomorrow and next week and then revisit LR. I think it will help me a lot with timing, lmk what you guys think because there is a good chance you are smarter than I.
man! I got it right in BR again, idk why I am always confused between two answer choice and always pick the wrng one! ughhh C, D and E - easily eliminated
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Easy, i almost choose D but the word “proponent” made me doubt it.
This one killed me but with time I got it right! So hard to parse out all the negatives
You know you're in for it bad when there's tons of comments
I'm starting to enjoy these! But only when i get it right :D
took over a min but got it right despite the loud honking outside my apartment LOLOL
I'm getting it!!!
24 seconds left to spare woo hoo!!
2 min over but I got it
got this one wrong:/ I got so confused
These questions make no sense to me. How is the answer B? I feel like in past lessons we were told not to pick answers like these because we don’t know if the cities financial predicament would have been resolved or not if the city didn’t invest in the computer modeling technology. I feel like we learned that other factors may have caused the financial predicament being resolved even if the city didn’t invest. Am I just being dumb? I feel like the passage didn’t say anything about that.
@DrewBetts I used the formula A → B → C and then subsequently A → C to solve this question because the stimulus says that without the investment in the computer modeling technology there would not be a change in the rush-hour traffic flow, then says the financial predicament would not have been solved without the change in rush-hour traffic flow, so a logical conclusion to be made is that the computer modeling technology fixed the financial predicament.
computer modeling technology → increased traffic flow → money for city
technology → money
i need to stick with my first answers lol
So happy that I diagrammed this just like him after entering this question telling myself I needed to refresh my knowledge on conditionals!
@LawyeRell
Same here. I took much longer on this one, but considering time saved on other problems (idealy), better to get answer completely right than chance a wrong answer for speed.
im 3/3 so far on this chapter and under time on all which is hype.
but i am not writing anything nor using all the steps shown in the lessons, im kind of just going based off intuiton and mapping everything in my head.
hope it wont ruin me in the future.
@Arshavin im the same way, but you are two weeks ahead of me, has this come to bite you at all in the further stages of studying.
@JamesCochran so far this has been working for me, i had some trouble with questions that have EXCEPT because it's harder to hunt for the correct answer, have you experienced this
Normally I have not been writing down work. With problems like these, I have to. Is that a bad habit to start? Stupid question... but can you write anywhere on the test?
@AshlynMiller you get scratch paper with the LSAT
With this question, I got caught up in translating the claims using Group 4 indicators (like "not") which threw me off. How did you know to instead interpret the claim using "if"?
@AkshayaAnnampedu
hmm that's a good question but i think it just comes down to understanding the basics of conditional reasoning questions. this question is just saying "if this happens then this happens", it wants you to look at the bigger picture. IF does a great job in letting you know that you should pay attention to the concepts of the conditional.
For example:
If i did not win the lottery, then i did not buy a lottery ticket
/W --> /BT
If i bought a lottery ticket, then i won the lottery
BT --> W
This of it like this: If (i did not win the lottery), then (i did not buy a lottery ticket).
Notice that these are two concepts
If you did use the group 4 indicators it would look wonky! Check it out:
W --> /BT OR BT --> /W
Think of what these things are saying...
W --> /BT: If i won the lottery then i did NOT buy a lottery ticket? what the heck lol
BT --> /W: If i bought a lottery ticket, then i did NOT win the lottery? i mean-- no? buying a lottery ticket might make you a bit delusional given that we know our chances of winning are low but it doesn't mean it is 0 and this basically makes it 0...
NONE of these are logically equivalent to my first example.
When in doubt, take your time and translate your LAWGIC to english. I hope this helps! I know your comment is old but I thought I would post a reply for my own understanding and for others!
YESSIR 0:56 seconds. Man I would be so stuck on this type of question if I didn't go through the Lawgic modules. That has really helped, even just mentally, the difference between sufficient and necessary items.
I got it right, but it takes me so long, because I do not trust myself enough to not do POE
@CherishWilliams It took me a min too.
@CherishWilliams Same.
The way I have been answering these questions and getting them right is not by using lawgic or writing things down. Is that ok for the LSAT? Or am I setting myself up for failure?
@DavesHotChkn in my opinion as long as you are getting them right you have found a good method. writing things down is actually not preferred because you obviously can't on the actual lsat.
@DavesHotChkn I had this exact same concern a few questions back. I think it means you're intuitively getting the answers correct but it is a good skill to practice because you can use it as an anchor on harder questions.
@kiarahemani Oh, really? I thought that on the actual LSAT, they give you a piece of paper as well...
@Shannell_E'llan oh you can, i just meant it's a waste of time to write out a lot for each question most people are unable to
@DavesHotChkn Yeah I have been doing the same thing too! I was worried about it and honestly, if we start doing intuitive earlier it will help us when it comes to the test!
Man somehow I thought the word "resultant" was referring to WHY the rush hour traffic flow increased, not the result of increasing the capacity of the bridge. Smh!
I missed the NOT before CMT :( but then got it right in BR once I realized lol
:( i had all the logic written down correctly, but i didn't choose B because i thought that answer choice was saying the terms in the wrong order. saying like if necessary then sufficient.
I'M GETTING THE HANG OF IT!!!! Turns out the fundamental curriculum really does help!!
for me as an old folk student that joined the work force instead of going right into law school from gradschool, this question made me so annoyed to read through. In the work place i wouldve just wrtitten a big question mark on it and handed it back to whatever schlemiel wrote it and told them to rewrite it.
@Sunday_Blues13 as an old folk myself, this made me LOL
@ChelseaStack old folks represent!
I got it right, but it took me a good min. Tbf I skipped over the LSAT Fundamentals and went straight to LR. Imma go over the fundamentals tomorrow and next week and then revisit LR. I think it will help me a lot with timing, lmk what you guys think because there is a good chance you are smarter than I.
@JackFoley Tbf I also think it took me a minute because I was trying to contrapose the negations.
man! I got it right in BR again, idk why I am always confused between two answer choice and always pick the wrng one! ughhh C, D and E - easily eliminated