I scheduled myself for the Feb exam :'( so i'm cramming so much info all at once. I'll probably retake in April or June if its not the score I want. To be fair, I am also a pretty bad test taker when it comes to new environments so I will just be thinking about it as an expensive practice test to familiarize myself with the surroundings and procedure for the next "real" exam, just hoping I get a score I wont have to cancel - as idiotic as that sounds
I think you'll do fine. Having confidence in yourself is half the battle on tests like this. Go in knowing you put in a lot more effort than most people do who take this test. You got this
wondering too, I took it in april and got mid 150s, im signed up to take it again in a month hopeing for higher 150s but after the Sa and Na questions im scared ill fall around the same and Im running outta time to apply so nervous
Was it between B and D, because I can try to explain in my own words.
So for starters, I picked B (in 2 minutes), but still BR'd and was stuck between B and D
But the reason when B is correct goes back to the support structure of the stimulus (remember this is what we want to focus on - role/way),
B says "It is a fact granted by the editorial that lends some support to an alternative to the practice that the editorial defends as perferable."
D says " It is a premise that the editorial's argument relies on in reaching its conclusion."
Now, let's take the stimulus piece by piece, " The town would not need to spend as much as it does on removing trash IF all town residents sorted their household garbage."
So, this is an if -> then statement (conditional),
If TR sorted household garbage -> Town /spend as much removing trash
Cool, so we note this relationship that the editorial gives us, on lets look to the next part.
"However, while telling residents that they must sort their garbage would get some of them to do so, many would resent the order and refuse to comply."
Basically, in short sure if you tell some people to do something, they will do it, but many will not do it and refuse. In this case, some residents will sort their garbage, many won't sort their garbage.
Now, this is certainly a change from what we first read, there's a structure that is forming from what we first were given to now, the second claim.
The first is supporting the second claim, as it details the relationship of if residents are ordered to sort their household garbage, then the town won't need to spend as much in removing garbage, but the second fuels us more in that the editorial inserts something else, oh actually yeah some may sort but the majority will not.
Note, the HOWEVER (that's a signal change into argument).
So, we are reaching a change in this idea of a hypothetical, that telling people to do something means lower idea of spending (hence why we are looking at a cost-benefit analysis in this case).
"The current voluntary system, then, is to be preferred, because it costs about as much as a nonvoluntary system would and it does not engender nearly as much resentment."
So, this claim contains both the conclusion of the argument (The current voluntary system, then is to be preferred) and another premise (it costs about as much as a nonvoluntary system would and it does not engender nearly as much
Note, the BECAUSE (a signal into a premise).
This entire stimulus moves to the conclusion that the current voluntary system is preferable over the nonvoluntary one.
Great, now how does this relate the rest of the stimulus, it's the editorial basically stating that between the current voluntary system and the nonvoluntary system, the first is preferable for all these reasons listed.
Now let's go back to B and D.
Let's analyze D first, recall it's saying that the claim " The town would not need to spend as much as it does on removing trash IF all town residents sorted their household garbage."
Okay, but if we take D as the correct answer, we are basically saying that this conditional relationship supports why the current voluntary system is preferable.
But how can that be when this claim gives support to the following one after it, acknowledging that some will follow while many will not? And if many do not follow, then how can lesser spending even be achieved by this proposed nonvoluntary system? Makes a huge bump in giving support no?
Note, recall that the lesser spending comes from the condtional that if residents sorted their own garbage then the town would not need to spend as much.
This claim isn't a premise made to bring us to the conclusion, but rather fuel the reasoning for the current system, thus... this claim has to be something else than a premise.
Now, Lets look at B, recall it's saying "It is a fact granted by the editorial that lends some support to an alternative to the practice that the editorial defends as preferable."
So, there's referentials in this answer and lets clarify them - IT is a fact (what's a fact? The town would not need... this is the proposed nonvoluntary system).
Okay so lets continue - to the practice that the editorial defends as preferable (what is the editoral defending? this is the current voluntary system).
Now, with this the answer is saying "the proposed nonvoluntary system claim is a fact by the editorial that lends some support to an alternative (remember - some may, many won't) to the practice (the current voluntary system) that the editorial defends as preferable."
This is just what the stimulus is doing for its role.
Sorry if this is long, and I hope this is somewhat helpful.
Please let me know if anything needs more clarifying :)
These have historically been one of my weakest question types. However, the argument analysis that we have done in previous lessons prepared me pretty well for them now. My suggestion for getting unstuck is just going back through a lot of the past questions in the Core Curriculum to reread the passages, don't bother looking at the answer choices. While reading them, just state what each sentence is doing for the argument. The key here I think is quantity. You have to do a lot of this in order for it to start making sense in your head. It's just an intuition thing that is built up over time, but can totally be built up. Best of luck!
tbh I eliminated B after "it is a fact". If something is a hypothetical situation, how is that situation considered a fact? did this throw anyone else off or just me?
It is a fact granted by the editorial - remember this argument is written by the editorial, therefore we should take it to be true since it's HER fact not a GENERAL fact. That's my thinking, hope it makes sense :)
I think it means it is a fact that would be triggered "if" hypothetical condition was met. The editorial argues that the "if" condition may never be met, but the except is still a fact that the editorial grants is true.
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Crushed it. Gonna go out Friday and let the ladies know I conquer 4 star questions on 7Sage.
This comment has me rolling over laughing.
These are like a breath of fresh air after SA and NA questions!
@tia.christinexo I WAS TYPING THE SAME THING THEN SAW UR COMMENT LOL
going from NA to this makes me feel so whimsical
ARE WE BACK???
SO BACK!!
SO SO BACK
We are indeed NOT back.
back like we never left
...are we back..?
okay colin, perioddd
oh were so back colin
just out of curiosity when are you taking the lsat? youre always like 1-2 weeks ahead of me
April I hope. Maybe June if I mess up. And you?
I scheduled myself for the Feb exam :'( so i'm cramming so much info all at once. I'll probably retake in April or June if its not the score I want. To be fair, I am also a pretty bad test taker when it comes to new environments so I will just be thinking about it as an expensive practice test to familiarize myself with the surroundings and procedure for the next "real" exam, just hoping I get a score I wont have to cancel - as idiotic as that sounds
I think you'll do fine. Having confidence in yourself is half the battle on tests like this. Go in knowing you put in a lot more effort than most people do who take this test. You got this
Hey! Fairly new to 7sage + love reading your comments on these videos. How did the April test go?
wondering too, I took it in april and got mid 150s, im signed up to take it again in a month hopeing for higher 150s but after the Sa and Na questions im scared ill fall around the same and Im running outta time to apply so nervous
did you take it??
Even though I got this wrong due to reading the AC's improperly, these are a breath of fresh air.
ikr
bro reading the question first is such a game changer
sometimes I even do it for other types of questions...
always read questions first for any type of question
This question called me illiterate in 6 different ways
I know I will regret jinxing this but I think AP questions are gonna be my u know what - (we're only the second you try in and I'm getting cocky)
WE ARE SO BACK
I read B as concluding the alternative practice (involuntary system) to be preferable. Need to read slowly...
Language in the answer choice for B is a little confusing.
So much easier than NA! WE ARE SO BACK!
Knowing how to label which is the ctx and the argument really helped me with this!!
For some reason I thought B over explained I changed my answer damn...
am i the only one not cooking this concept??? everyone’s like we are so back, baby i’m not back!!! im stuck lol
Where did you get stuck on?
Was it between B and D, because I can try to explain in my own words.
So for starters, I picked B (in 2 minutes), but still BR'd and was stuck between B and D
But the reason when B is correct goes back to the support structure of the stimulus (remember this is what we want to focus on - role/way),
B says "It is a fact granted by the editorial that lends some support to an alternative to the practice that the editorial defends as perferable."
D says " It is a premise that the editorial's argument relies on in reaching its conclusion."
Now, let's take the stimulus piece by piece, " The town would not need to spend as much as it does on removing trash IF all town residents sorted their household garbage."
So, this is an if -> then statement (conditional),
If TR sorted household garbage -> Town /spend as much removing trash
Cool, so we note this relationship that the editorial gives us, on lets look to the next part.
"However, while telling residents that they must sort their garbage would get some of them to do so, many would resent the order and refuse to comply."
Basically, in short sure if you tell some people to do something, they will do it, but many will not do it and refuse. In this case, some residents will sort their garbage, many won't sort their garbage.
Now, this is certainly a change from what we first read, there's a structure that is forming from what we first were given to now, the second claim.
The first is supporting the second claim, as it details the relationship of if residents are ordered to sort their household garbage, then the town won't need to spend as much in removing garbage, but the second fuels us more in that the editorial inserts something else, oh actually yeah some may sort but the majority will not.
Note, the HOWEVER (that's a signal change into argument).
So, we are reaching a change in this idea of a hypothetical, that telling people to do something means lower idea of spending (hence why we are looking at a cost-benefit analysis in this case).
"The current voluntary system, then, is to be preferred, because it costs about as much as a nonvoluntary system would and it does not engender nearly as much resentment."
So, this claim contains both the conclusion of the argument (The current voluntary system, then is to be preferred) and another premise (it costs about as much as a nonvoluntary system would and it does not engender nearly as much
Note, the BECAUSE (a signal into a premise).
This entire stimulus moves to the conclusion that the current voluntary system is preferable over the nonvoluntary one.
Great, now how does this relate the rest of the stimulus, it's the editorial basically stating that between the current voluntary system and the nonvoluntary system, the first is preferable for all these reasons listed.
Now let's go back to B and D.
Let's analyze D first, recall it's saying that the claim " The town would not need to spend as much as it does on removing trash IF all town residents sorted their household garbage."
Okay, but if we take D as the correct answer, we are basically saying that this conditional relationship supports why the current voluntary system is preferable.
But how can that be when this claim gives support to the following one after it, acknowledging that some will follow while many will not? And if many do not follow, then how can lesser spending even be achieved by this proposed nonvoluntary system? Makes a huge bump in giving support no?
Note, recall that the lesser spending comes from the condtional that if residents sorted their own garbage then the town would not need to spend as much.
This claim isn't a premise made to bring us to the conclusion, but rather fuel the reasoning for the current system, thus... this claim has to be something else than a premise.
Now, Lets look at B, recall it's saying "It is a fact granted by the editorial that lends some support to an alternative to the practice that the editorial defends as preferable."
So, there's referentials in this answer and lets clarify them - IT is a fact (what's a fact? The town would not need... this is the proposed nonvoluntary system).
Okay so lets continue - to the practice that the editorial defends as preferable (what is the editoral defending? this is the current voluntary system).
Now, with this the answer is saying "the proposed nonvoluntary system claim is a fact by the editorial that lends some support to an alternative (remember - some may, many won't) to the practice (the current voluntary system) that the editorial defends as preferable."
This is just what the stimulus is doing for its role.
Sorry if this is long, and I hope this is somewhat helpful.
Please let me know if anything needs more clarifying :)
These have historically been one of my weakest question types. However, the argument analysis that we have done in previous lessons prepared me pretty well for them now. My suggestion for getting unstuck is just going back through a lot of the past questions in the Core Curriculum to reread the passages, don't bother looking at the answer choices. While reading them, just state what each sentence is doing for the argument. The key here I think is quantity. You have to do a lot of this in order for it to start making sense in your head. It's just an intuition thing that is built up over time, but can totally be built up. Best of luck!
I love these questions <3
LASSO IT BACK!
These AP questions, really Grind my Gears, ruffle my feathers, bakes my nerves, and changes my light-bulbs.......
@rickyrivas94 clogs my gutters and burns my mf toast one could say
OH YEAHHHH
POE is honestly very helpful here too
tbh I eliminated B after "it is a fact". If something is a hypothetical situation, how is that situation considered a fact? did this throw anyone else off or just me?
It is a fact granted by the editorial - remember this argument is written by the editorial, therefore we should take it to be true since it's HER fact not a GENERAL fact. That's my thinking, hope it makes sense :)
I think it means it is a fact that would be triggered "if" hypothetical condition was met. The editorial argues that the "if" condition may never be met, but the except is still a fact that the editorial grants is true.
this was tricky I had B and switched to A
same here. Chose B but switched to A in BR