It took me a two minutes just to decide what I thought the conclusion was. I had to really think through the support structure. Ultimately this is what helped me:
So jazz consists largely of voicelike horns and hornlike voices. → The best jazz singers use their voices much as horn players use their instruments.
This doesn't make sense. Jazz consisting largely of those kinds of voices tells us nothing about what the BEST jazz singers do. The best jazz singers could be in the group that DOESNT do that, we just don't know.
The best jazz singers use their voices much as horn players use their instruments. → So jazz consists largely of voicelike horns and hornlike voices.
I still really don't like this, but it does make more sense than the previous option. While we don't get an example of a jazz horn player (I tried to fill in my own, shoutout Louis Armstrong and Chet Baker), the argument DOES give us an example of one of the great jazz vocalists. Based on that we get an argument structure where the middle of the stimulus presents the minor premises supporting the first sentence, which in turn supports the final sentence.
I was still not 100% confident on this one, but I did get it right
Bruh, I read it as "The best jazz singers use their voices AS MUCH AS horn players use their instruments" instead of "much as" which led me to pick D... reminder to PAY ATTENTION when you read
Accidentally typed my notes in the reply box instead of the notes section so enjoy my notes everyone!
I missed this question because I didn't notice/understand the difference between "Much as" and "As much as" as used in the passage. If the latter was the case, D, which I chose would be correct because the frequency of usage isn't supported, but seeing as it's the former, C is in fact supported...
Whoops, perhaps fuck, as some might say. All good though. Happens to the best of us!
I've been finding that taking the few seconds to underline the excerpt in the stim and highlighting the conclusion helpful. It just helps me visual the parts of the argument a little bit better.
Making sure to deliberately label the conclusion is a must for me now with any question. Even with questions like SA and NA, if you misidentify the conclusion you are more than likely going to get the question wrong because you don't understand the argument.
This section is nice, because IMO understanding argument structure is probably the most important skill to learn when preparing for this test. That and being able to identify the type of reasoning being used and what the assumptions are.
same! marking the excerpt in the stim before i read it helps me a lot. even saves a few seconds when i'm referring back to the stim while looking at answer choices.
I feel like these questions should be so easy, but I'm not doing as well on them as I thought I would be. I am reading the stimulus and identifying what each sentence's role would be, but the answer choices are so friggin awful
@meepmeep your comment was posted a while ago, so i'm not sure if this will be much help as of now, but what works for me is identifying the conclusion before looking at the answer choices. if the excerpt in the stimulus is NOT the conclusion, i can immediately eliminate the choices that say it is the conclusion.
Can someone explain how they determined that the last sentence is a conclusion and the first is only a major premise? J.Y. kinda just said they were what they were without explaining why and I can't create the link in my mind.
Hi! I think I can help. The first step is to identify that all but the first and last lines are examples since they involve observations about specific people doing a specific thing as generally described by the first and last sentences.
Once this has been identified, you can use the [conclusion] because [premise] template to see which of the first and last sentence fits where.
"Jazz consists largely of voicelike horns and hornlike voices because/as shown by the fact that the best jazz singers use their voices much as horn players use their instruments" makes a lot more sense than "The best jazz singers use their voices much as horn players use their instruments because/as shown by the fact that jazz consists largely of voicelike horns and hornlike voices."
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so jazz consists largely of horny voices?
I went straight to the comments and was not disappointed
@zachmaretz111 I loved JY's slight hesitation after he clearly realized the implication of saying "voicy horns" lol
Getting LSAT questions wrong makes it feel like a Gloomy Sunday.
voicy horns and horn...like voices
came here for this
Stimulus -> Horny
Got it.
I miss identified the conclusion. Yay!
same
It took me a two minutes just to decide what I thought the conclusion was. I had to really think through the support structure. Ultimately this is what helped me:
So jazz consists largely of voicelike horns and hornlike voices. → The best jazz singers use their voices much as horn players use their instruments.
This doesn't make sense. Jazz consisting largely of those kinds of voices tells us nothing about what the BEST jazz singers do. The best jazz singers could be in the group that DOESNT do that, we just don't know.
The best jazz singers use their voices much as horn players use their instruments. → So jazz consists largely of voicelike horns and hornlike voices.
I still really don't like this, but it does make more sense than the previous option. While we don't get an example of a jazz horn player (I tried to fill in my own, shoutout Louis Armstrong and Chet Baker), the argument DOES give us an example of one of the great jazz vocalists. Based on that we get an argument structure where the middle of the stimulus presents the minor premises supporting the first sentence, which in turn supports the final sentence.
I was still not 100% confident on this one, but I did get it right
Bruh, I read it as "The best jazz singers use their voices AS MUCH AS horn players use their instruments" instead of "much as" which led me to pick D... reminder to PAY ATTENTION when you read
@rksawan I had to reread that sentence 3 times to understand it lol
@rksawan wait... it doesn't say that?
calling billie holiday a "horny jazz singer" is crazy
lsac trying this hard not to write "horny voices" smh
I thought the same thing!
Accidentally typed my notes in the reply box instead of the notes section so enjoy my notes everyone!
I missed this question because I didn't notice/understand the difference between "Much as" and "As much as" as used in the passage. If the latter was the case, D, which I chose would be correct because the frequency of usage isn't supported, but seeing as it's the former, C is in fact supported...
Whoops, perhaps fuck, as some might say. All good though. Happens to the best of us!
"as some might say" lmao
I got it wrong for the exact same reason lol, so your note actually helped me realize that
Lol glad it could help!
agreed!!
Gotta have fun with it man haha
@wilson.mcneary that's exactly what I did as well! Thank you!
I've been finding that taking the few seconds to underline the excerpt in the stim and highlighting the conclusion helpful. It just helps me visual the parts of the argument a little bit better.
Making sure to deliberately label the conclusion is a must for me now with any question. Even with questions like SA and NA, if you misidentify the conclusion you are more than likely going to get the question wrong because you don't understand the argument.
This section is nice, because IMO understanding argument structure is probably the most important skill to learn when preparing for this test. That and being able to identify the type of reasoning being used and what the assumptions are.
same! marking the excerpt in the stim before i read it helps me a lot. even saves a few seconds when i'm referring back to the stim while looking at answer choices.
How it feels to go into the blind review only to find that there's nothing circled 😌
that was much harder than a 144 question IMO.
@oneseventeenear For real!!!
Lol I read "much as" as "as much." what an L
This is the first section I have actually felt confident on. Needed this confidence boost as I cram for the Jan LSAT lol
THE LEGENDARY HORNY JAZZ SINGER I AM DECEASED
voicy horns and horn....like voices
nice
I think I am loosing my mind
I'm feeling unmotivated by how I keep overthinking :/
okay these are taking me out I can not get them right.
I feel like these questions should be so easy, but I'm not doing as well on them as I thought I would be. I am reading the stimulus and identifying what each sentence's role would be, but the answer choices are so friggin awful
@meepmeep your comment was posted a while ago, so i'm not sure if this will be much help as of now, but what works for me is identifying the conclusion before looking at the answer choices. if the excerpt in the stimulus is NOT the conclusion, i can immediately eliminate the choices that say it is the conclusion.
skimming really is my worst enemy... "much as" doesn't mean "as much as" T_T
i messed up the conclusion. unfortunate :(
Can someone explain how they determined that the last sentence is a conclusion and the first is only a major premise? J.Y. kinda just said they were what they were without explaining why and I can't create the link in my mind.
I am wondering the same thing!!
Hi! I think I can help. The first step is to identify that all but the first and last lines are examples since they involve observations about specific people doing a specific thing as generally described by the first and last sentences.
Once this has been identified, you can use the [conclusion] because [premise] template to see which of the first and last sentence fits where.
"Jazz consists largely of voicelike horns and hornlike voices because/as shown by the fact that the best jazz singers use their voices much as horn players use their instruments" makes a lot more sense than "The best jazz singers use their voices much as horn players use their instruments because/as shown by the fact that jazz consists largely of voicelike horns and hornlike voices."
Hope this helps!
@2:00 whoa there bud!