I am glad I am a bit more tuned to these questions. The last couple sections discouraged me because of my sore spot of LR stuff, but Its nice to be shown that I have an area I'm decent in
Bruh, I read it as "The best jazz singers use their voices AS MUCH AS horn players use their instruments" instead of "much as" which led me to pick D... reminder to PAY ATTENTION when you read
what makes something different from a sub-conclusion versus a statement? i got this correct, but only poe, in my head this is actually a sub-conclusion because there is evidence to support it?
@LiviaLSAT I think a sub conclusion can interchangably be referred to a statement as well but a statement that is purely a statement cannot be referred to as a sub conclusion
@AliGoldberg if I'm not mistaken, I believe if you take the test virtually you will have the highlighting and underlining options. If they offer it on pen and paper you're allowed to mark it up
A tip that has help me maintain accuracy in this section is to make sure you know the relationship between/role of every statement in the argument as you read the stimulus. This will allow you to be confident in the role that the stimulus plays. The excerpt is not an isolated issue, you must know how it works with the other statements/what the others do, because how else would you determine that it is a premise, context or sub conclusion. Slow down and analyze the argument as whole.
@Mari_on_nette i second this method. i've actually been using the hunting method moreso than POE because my instinct is usually more correct than when reading the ACs and becoming underconfident.
I feel like these questions should be so easy, but I'm not doing as well on them as I thought I would be. I am reading the stimulus and identifying what each sentence's role would be, but the answer choices are so friggin awful
@meepmeep your comment was posted a while ago, so i'm not sure if this will be much help as of now, but what works for me is identifying the conclusion before looking at the answer choices. if the excerpt in the stimulus is NOT the conclusion, i can immediately eliminate the choices that say it is the conclusion.
I thought the first sentence related to the AMOUNT that jazz singers use their voices (duration) and the second sentence related to HOW they used their voices.
@RFlanc It typically does, but sometimes LSAT writers use that to trick you. What I typically do is see if I can place the word "therefore" before possible conclusion claims to see if it is the main conclusion or just a sub/supporting statement.
It took me a two minutes just to decide what I thought the conclusion was. I had to really think through the support structure. Ultimately this is what helped me:
So jazz consists largely of voicelike horns and hornlike voices. → The best jazz singers use their voices much as horn players use their instruments.
This doesn't make sense. Jazz consisting largely of those kinds of voices tells us nothing about what the BEST jazz singers do. The best jazz singers could be in the group that DOESNT do that, we just don't know.
The best jazz singers use their voices much as horn players use their instruments. → So jazz consists largely of voicelike horns and hornlike voices.
I still really don't like this, but it does make more sense than the previous option. While we don't get an example of a jazz horn player (I tried to fill in my own, shoutout Louis Armstrong and Chet Baker), the argument DOES give us an example of one of the great jazz vocalists. Based on that we get an argument structure where the middle of the stimulus presents the minor premises supporting the first sentence, which in turn supports the final sentence.
I was still not 100% confident on this one, but I did get it right
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I honestly hate AP questions so much wow
How it feels to go into the blind review only to find that there's nothing circled 😌
I am glad I am a bit more tuned to these questions. The last couple sections discouraged me because of my sore spot of LR stuff, but Its nice to be shown that I have an area I'm decent in
voicy horns and horn....like voices
nice
Ok these are so easy. More of these APs and less of the previous NAs on my LSAT please, LSAT gods!!
@SofiyaBerman NA did irreparable damage to my confidence on LSAT
Bruh, I read it as "The best jazz singers use their voices AS MUCH AS horn players use their instruments" instead of "much as" which led me to pick D... reminder to PAY ATTENTION when you read
@rksawan I had to reread that sentence 3 times to understand it lol
what makes something different from a sub-conclusion versus a statement? i got this correct, but only poe, in my head this is actually a sub-conclusion because there is evidence to support it?
@LiviaLSAT I think a sub conclusion can interchangably be referred to a statement as well but a statement that is purely a statement cannot be referred to as a sub conclusion
so how can I tell the difference between a main conclusion and a sub conclusion
@TheodoraUzozie Main conclusion only receives support, while the sub conclusion both receives and gives support.
GENERAL LSAT QUESTION --- On the test do we have the opp to write on it? I feel like i'd' do better if I had that option VS just highlighting
@AliGoldberg if I'm not mistaken, I believe if you take the test virtually you will have the highlighting and underlining options. If they offer it on pen and paper you're allowed to mark it up
calling billie holiday a "horny jazz singer" is crazy
A tip that has help me maintain accuracy in this section is to make sure you know the relationship between/role of every statement in the argument as you read the stimulus. This will allow you to be confident in the role that the stimulus plays. The excerpt is not an isolated issue, you must know how it works with the other statements/what the others do, because how else would you determine that it is a premise, context or sub conclusion. Slow down and analyze the argument as whole.
@Mari_on_nette i second this method. i've actually been using the hunting method moreso than POE because my instinct is usually more correct than when reading the ACs and becoming underconfident.
I think I am loosing my mind
okay these are taking me out I can not get them right.
This is the first section I have actually felt confident on. Needed this confidence boost as I cram for the Jan LSAT lol
I feel like these questions should be so easy, but I'm not doing as well on them as I thought I would be. I am reading the stimulus and identifying what each sentence's role would be, but the answer choices are so friggin awful
@meepmeep your comment was posted a while ago, so i'm not sure if this will be much help as of now, but what works for me is identifying the conclusion before looking at the answer choices. if the excerpt in the stimulus is NOT the conclusion, i can immediately eliminate the choices that say it is the conclusion.
skimming really is my worst enemy... "much as" doesn't mean "as much as" T_T
I mistakenly took 'much as' to mean as much. like many people in these comments...
I thought the first sentence related to the AMOUNT that jazz singers use their voices (duration) and the second sentence related to HOW they used their voices.
If a statement begins with so, is it always the conclusion
@RFlanc It typically does, but sometimes LSAT writers use that to trick you. What I typically do is see if I can place the word "therefore" before possible conclusion claims to see if it is the main conclusion or just a sub/supporting statement.
Finally got one thank you jesus
so jazz consists largely of horny voices?
I went straight to the comments and was not disappointed
@zachmaretz111 I loved JY's slight hesitation after he clearly realized the implication of saying "voicy horns" lol
finally a win
Getting LSAT questions wrong makes it feel like a Gloomy Sunday.
It took me a two minutes just to decide what I thought the conclusion was. I had to really think through the support structure. Ultimately this is what helped me:
So jazz consists largely of voicelike horns and hornlike voices. → The best jazz singers use their voices much as horn players use their instruments.
This doesn't make sense. Jazz consisting largely of those kinds of voices tells us nothing about what the BEST jazz singers do. The best jazz singers could be in the group that DOESNT do that, we just don't know.
The best jazz singers use their voices much as horn players use their instruments. → So jazz consists largely of voicelike horns and hornlike voices.
I still really don't like this, but it does make more sense than the previous option. While we don't get an example of a jazz horn player (I tried to fill in my own, shoutout Louis Armstrong and Chet Baker), the argument DOES give us an example of one of the great jazz vocalists. Based on that we get an argument structure where the middle of the stimulus presents the minor premises supporting the first sentence, which in turn supports the final sentence.
I was still not 100% confident on this one, but I did get it right
I miss identified the conclusion. Yay!
same