My stats:

144, 147, waiting on September results, I’m predicting anywhere between 149-151.

It sucks because going into the Sept exam i was averaging 153 and felt confident, but i ran out of time and didn’t bubble 3-4 questions in one section, and guessed on one whole game.

Would it look good to retake in November? Should I maybe cancel this September exam and retake November?

I’m leaning towards not canceling since I’m sure I did better that a 147.

Any help would be appreciated :)

Proctors: Very good about giving the five minute warning and reading instructions. No complaints.

Facilities: SUPER NICE. I've heard that people in the past who have taken it here had a crappy experience with desks, etc. but this test was administered in the business school instead of the law school so it was all brand new. I'm not sure if this is a permanent change or not.

What kind of room: Sort of a small/medium auditorium style classroom.

How many in the room: 20-30

Desks: Long table desks with three people at a desk/table with one empty seat between each tester.

Left-handed accommodation: See above.

Noise levels: One proctor got up to use the restroom during the test, so we heard the door open and shut, but nothing other than that one incident.

Parking: Free parking in a garage adjacent to the testing building.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: Exam started right around 9

Irregularities or mishaps: None

Other comments:

Would you take the test here again? Definitely!

Date[s] of Exam[s]: September 8th 2018

Hey guys, for those who have taken the LSAT at a major/big university, is this generally better or worse than taking it, say at a community college/smaller university?

When I take paper based exams, I like having large desk space to work on. I imagine for tests at a big university, I'm sure there are a lot of people sitting for the exam, so I would presume they make you take the test at a big lecture hall? But lecture halls usually have those tiny, fold-out desks, which would really suck to take the LSAT on.

Also, I just found out the university where I was planning to take the exam at, will have a home football game that Saturday in November (it's a Pac-12 big school). Do you guys think the noise factor will be something I should consider if deciding to choose this site (even though the test is in the morning, I'm sure the campus will be abuzz with students/parents/people, etc)?

Hi! I'm a older aspiring law student - looking to switch careers after 22 years. I don't have a date yet for a LSAT - maybe June 2019. Since I'm just starting to get my feet wet is okay to start with the basic package? Thanks for your assistance.

Does anyone share this opinion? The hosts are far too dogmatic regarding their advice...it's very strange to me for reasonable people to be so dogmatic - about reading the stem first, about whether "principle" questions exist, about whether "most strongly supported questions" are the same as "Must be true" questions, about timing strategies, and more. I can understand having preferences for how to approach the test, but it often seems like they take unreasonably strong stances on issues more as a pedagogic technique to get people to approach the test in the way that they think best, whereas if they were being purely reasonable they would recognize the potential benefits of alternate approaches even if ultimately they advise against them. It's also very strange that they basically write off 7sage PURELY because they recommend stem first on LR - they've gone as far as to say they can't trust any curriculum that gives that advice. That line of reasoning seems so clearly flawed that they must know it's unreasonable.

I read from some posts here ibuprofen/Advil/Tylenol is okay to bring on test day. This may be a dumb question, but are caffeine pills in a small medicine bottle allowed or not?

Hey guys, i have a pretty simple question. How would you read the contrapositive of this chain:

A Some B---> C?

Thanks! :)

I would like to first note that I am not looking to cancel my score nor am I looking to getting anyone in trouble. I simply am looking to get proof for prospective law schools of the conditions I had to go through in taking this particular LSAT.

Before the exam started (so during the "bubble in your name" period) I raised my hand to ask if I could go to the restroom. I was not aware nor told of being unable to leave the room for the restroom during this time, but to be safe I asked a proctor of this. The proctor said that I can, led me out of the room and pointed me to the restroom. And so I went, obviously thinking that it must have been okay to do this.

But from returning to the test room (still during the "bubble in your name" period) a different proctor stopped me, told me that I wasn't allowed to leave the room during this time, and said that he would report me to LSAC. Expectedly I was shocked and confused, since another proctor had told me a minute ago otherwise.

Still in a confused, shocked, and frankly frightened state (as I had no idea what a report would do to my future) I had to take the first three sections of the LSAT. While it is hard to blame or prove that all of my anxiety came from this event, I most certainly couldn't concentrate as much as I wanted with thoughts about possibly not being able to be a lawyer ever lingered and hindered my logical reasoning.

During the break I went up to the proctor who said that he would report me. He told me that, as another proctor had told me that I could leave the room, that he would NOT report me. While this was good news, I'm sure you can understand my frustration from not doing as well on the first three sections as I hoped to do over what ultimately ended up to be nothing.

Once again, I am not looking to blame anyone or to have my LSAT score cancelled (or held for that matter). I would, however, like to have my struggle and condition in taking this LSAT realized and would like some sort of proof (a letter?) of this so that law schools can realize that this LSAT score may not be reflective of my abilities.

...is what I'm thinking of sending. Thoughts? (I'm sort of worried that maybe the LSAC would consider me leaving the room, despite a proctor clearly letting me do this, a reason to have my score cancelled)

Saturday still feels like a nightmare to me. It was like one of those dreams where you’re being chased but you have 200 pound legs and can’t runaway.

My first attempt at the LSAT, in February didn’t fare well... but that was due to lack of proper preparation. This time, I was very well prepared... having scored in the lower 160’s my last 5 PT’s (quite the improvement from my embarrassing 149 in Feb). I was fully expecting a 160, or at worst a 158-159.

I’m afraid of what my score will be for this one. I’ve gone through the math in my head and feel like best case scenario I got 65 questions right, worst case could be well below 60.

My question is how bad will a cancellation look next to my bad score on record in comparison to a score that’s not that much better? I’m leaning pretty hard towards cancelling just because I know there’s no way I came anywhere near what I’ve been doing on PT’s the last two months.

So I saw a post about how another 7sage student got raked over the coals, for having two watches, by the proctors, when there are no rules not allowing it, and even after calling LSAC to confirm that it was allowed. I expressed my sympathies and thought about my own experience, and thought that my experience is probably something I should tell everyone.

I almost had a similar experience with my juicebox, but luckily for me, and unluckily for the other guy, the guy sitting in front of my had the exact same juicebox and took the blow for me and was called out in section 3 by a proctor. We all knew it was perfectly within the rules to have a juicebox, and I've had the same juicebox twice in previous LSATs already. The rule for having a transparent bottle only applies to water bottles. The proctor then came back a few minutes later to give it back to him, without any remorse. Another thing was that I got a warning for looking around while copying the pledge at the very start of the test.

I realized this September LSAT, a lot of proctors were quite on edge. I talked to them afterwards, and found out a lot of proctors secretly got audited this past summer (they didn't tell me how or give me any details), and received a lot of punishments for being too lenient on test takers, so they're essentially overcompensating, and conservatively punishing anything that may even have a semblance of breaking the rules.

Thought this might be helpful for future test takers to expect the worst. I wish you all the best.

Hi everyone! I was scheduled to take the September LSAT but decided I truly wasn’t ready for it and decided to do something I have been contemplating for a while taking a gap year, it wasn’t in the plans and I hate to deviate but realized to get the best out of law school career as well as being a lawyer this isn’t something I can rush. In any case does anyone who has taken a gap year or pushed back their LSAT date have any advice on how to manage my time and study and since I’m still in school, my last year, how I should handle my load as well as applying? Also, should I start over to be sure I fully grasp the concepts if I feel I missed out or continue where I left off and see after some practice exams where I need to focus? Upgrading plan, was that something anyone did? I currently have the premium and I am thinking of upgrading to Ultimate. Any help would be greatly appreciated, because while I realize a year will help it will most likely go quickly and I need to gain as much as I can out of this time or it will be a waste. Sorry for the many questions but I want to start off on the right track.

Hey all,

So, during Saturday's sitting of the LSAT, I had one of those nightmare moments: with 90 seconds remaining in RC, I realized that I had misbubbled an entire passage. I had skipped the last question of the first passage and forgotten to note it. Then, when I began answering questions for passage 2, all of my answers were one off. Luckily, I opted to skip passage 3 and move straight to passage 4, so that managed to minimize the damage. When I came back to passage 3, I noticed something was off. I am fairly sure that my passage 3 answers are in the correct spot.

On the one hand, I feel quite fortunate to have noticed. I don't know how I did it, but I managed to change my answers, moving them all down one, riiiiiiight before time was called. On the other hand, because of how rushed I was, I'm not 100% sure I actually fixed everything. I'd say there's a 75% chance that I fixed it and a 25% chance it's still incorrect somehow, as due to the adrenaline, my memory of my thought process is a bit hazy.

When I started the next section, I was quite shaken but, thanks to lots of preparation, I was able to calm down and I feel like I did pretty well on the rest of the test.

I'm leaning towards keeping my score but I wanted to get some feedback from those more knowledgable than me in the 7sage community.

So, should I roll the dice and keep my score? I'm guessing I scored in high 160s/low 170s if things went my way and, if they didn't probably, I'm probably somewhere in the mid-to-low 160s still.

Hi, guys so I need a little advice on what I should do after this September LSAT. Here's a bit of background, I took my first LSAT Sep 2017 I scored a 161, I had been doing better on my PT's so I tried again in December and scored a 160. After December I decided to try again and take a gap year on my applications, this was when I decided to try 7-sage for my prep as I had previously stuck to powerscore methods. I tested again in July and ended up canceling. My issue with July was that I did not even attempt the last game, my game section was the first, and I think nerves got the better of me; all the other sections were great, but I knew that there was a substantial chance I completely bombed games. By this point in July, my PT average was between 167-172, when I took the June 2018 practice test I scored a 167. I figured that canceling in July was my best option as this was my first cancel, and I was using this cancel on what was an unusual LSAT. I decided to try again in September 2018. My impression of the Sep 2018 test was that it was quite similar to June 2018. The LR felt very easy; I had 5 min after each LR which is above the pace I usually keep. The LG felt normal except that I was running out of time at the end and I had to take an educated guess on one question and blindly guess on the last 3. The RC was terrible, I think I did great on the legal passage, but the other 3 were very confusing, RC is usually a -4/-5 for me, but this felt the hardest RC I a have ever encountered. Long story short I feel like worst case scenario I scored a 163, middle range a 166 and best case a 169. I don't want to cancel because I feel like two cancels back to back is a bit too much, but I also don't want to risk getting another low 160's score on my record. Any advice? Should I prepare for another retake if I get that another low 160? I was told that my best score is the score that will have the most significant impact on admissions and that contrary to popular belief schools do not average, but I know that multiple LSAT's are not necessarily favorably looked upon either.

I should also note that though I was not very nervous on test 85 (unlike previous times) the proctors gave me a hard time right before the start of the test because I had a watch on my wrist and one on the table. I usually use two watches as in the Sep and Dec 2017 administrations I forgot to start my only watch for some of the sections, which caused a lot of anxiety for me during the test. Having a watch on my wrist serves as a physical reminder as well as a continuous timepiece as I can see how much time has passed since the last section. I called LSAC in early August and they said it was fine as long as they were both analog watches. The proctors told me to take one off and berated me in front of the group for a while after the first section (right before I took RC) they came back and said that I could use the second watch, they didn't even offer a semblance of an apology. This incident just really ticked me off and I think may have led to a lack of full focus on RC.

Any advice is appreciated! Sorry for the long post, I spent the entire weekend thinking about this, and I guess I had a lot more to vent then I thought.

So I took a course with Blueprint and I improved my score by 29 points between the practice tests. I just took the September LSAT and will most probably be taking the November one as well. On my last practice test I got 15/23 on the Logic Games section. What is the best way to improve this part of my score? I've seen a few books by Powerscore on Amazon. Any recommendations?

Hi everyone,

I am registered to take my first official LSAT in January of 2019 (assuming I am PTing in my target range). Is there any advice regarding why a person should not take a non-disclosed LSAT? I understand that non-disclosed means I will only receive my score and percentile. Is it worth it to take the LSAT for the first time without having access to what problems you missed? I feel like I will have a decent understanding of my weak areas before I test (Analytics), but if I do not hit my target score I will not have a clear way forward to see what I need to review. I plan on applying in September of 2019 so I am motivated to take the test as many times as I need to before then. Any thoughts?

Hello Hope you are all well -a friend of mine is thinking about doing paralegal then going to law school. Anyone that took this pathway ? pros /cons ... ect

I feel like it's important to have the right mindset and mentality when you start 7Sage. I believe JY talks about this in the early lessons as well, but here's another perspective:

Many people study for at least a year before they reach their target score. I've personally done the CC twice and also every single PT (wasted most of them before I joined 7Sage) before I consistently reached my target score. So don't be too eager to take the test or retake the test. Wait until your PT scores are consistently at your target score, or at least close to it, before you even think about the real test. Here's a headsup, your score will not miraculously jump up on the real test and hoping for such is crazy.

Additionally, 7Sage has a lot of depth to offer, so when you're studying, don't just do the questions and move on. Every time you make a mistake, spend at least 10 minutes writing out why you made the mistake and how to prevent yourself from doing so in the future. Then, watch JY's explanation and compare it to your own analysis. This is how a proper review should be done, on top of the Blind Review system (You HAVE to Blind Review for all your practice questions, if you want to improve. Break down every part of the stimulus, each answer choice, and write out why each wrong answer choice is wrong; refer to the Blind Review lesson for more details). If you're not doing this, then you're sincerely wasting questions. Sometimes, it takes me hours, even after hearing JY's explanation, of staring at a question before I understand it, and other times, I straight up disagree with JY and come up with my own explanations, but that's how I learn and insure I don't make the same mistakes again.

This is just tough love. I wish you all the best!

Ready to take a look at LSAT discussions now. Got poutine and movies lined up tomorrow.

What did you guys do to distress?

Today at the test center, I met a few old friends, and to my surprise, half of them were doing the Khan Academy prep. They told me they were PTing 170+ after 2 months with KA, which was another surprise even though they were smart guys. I read a bunch of old posts about Khan Academy, but that was the Beta, and not too many people got far into the program. Does anyone have any updated info on the course?

Best choice I made today. Now I'm just hoping they turn my writing prompt into a RC passage for the november test.

Hey again everyone!

I want to start off by saying thank you in advance.. This community is awesome.

I've taken the LSAT 3 times: 144 (shouldn't have taken this one), 147, and just took this Sept exam.

My goal score is 153-155 and above, and in my last 5 PT's before September exam I was averaging 153.

My prediction for this exam is I probably scored a 150-151.. I screwed up in the actual LG section after misreading a rule (in the first game!!! ugh) and I ran out of time and forgot to bubble about 3-4 questions on the last section LR :(

All this said, I'm still confident I scored higher than my last exam of 147. Before this exam I would have honestly said f*** it and kept my score, but I feel like I've dominated LG so much more and I feel like i'm really close man.. Felt really in control this time. Also, they only take high scores, should I maybe call my target schools and ask how they feel about this?

If I keep this score and get below a 152, I feel like I may want to retake. Thoughts? I'd have 4 takes total on record.

Hello,

The first time I signed up for the LSAT I choked and didn't show up. The second time I made it halfway through the LSAT (Today) and choked and also left. I feel like a pretty big embarrassment right now and the LSAT depression has hit hard. It just stinks because I will have to choose a new career and I don't know where to even start as I thought being an attorney was what I was meant to do, but alas it was not. Anyways just needed to vent as no one in my personal life understands the toll that is has taken. Good luck to all of you! If anyone has any words of encouragement (i.e. you'll find what your meant to do!) that would be great.

Does anyone else have experience with test center complaints?

There was some orientation event for first year engineers in the lobby of where I was writing. The level of noise was absurd. We could hear people chanting, screaming and playing music for the almost the entirety of section 3 and part of section 4. After the break the proctor told us that we could file a complaint, but would it even be worth it? (apparently your score gets delayed)

I will definitely be rewriting in November at a different location, and am extremely disappointed because this disrupted my ability to concentrate for nearly two sections.

I took the LSAT earlier today and I don't think that I did well. I had two logic games sections (which is the section that I struggle with the most) and I ran out of time on the reading comprehension section. I was unable to answer five questions from the RC section. I did okay on the logical reasoning sections but I don't think my score will be good. Should I cancel? I don't want my score to lower my chances of getting into a good law school. I don't know what to do because I've studied for more than six months and I did horribly. Advice?

For those of you taking the test tomorrow, I'm thinking of you!

If you are studying right now... STOP! Seriously haha. You've done all you can do. You've put in the time and effort. Now is the time to rest, relax, reflect on all you've done, be proud of yourself for how far you've come. Go watch a movie, take a walk, read a dumb magazine. Let your mind rest. Eat good meals, go to bed at a reasonable hour. You got this!

And remember, tomorrow's test is important, sure. But it is also just an LSAT like all the others you've practiced before. In a few weeks, tomorrow's test will be published as PT 85. That's it. Nothing special about it. It has normal LR and LG and RC just like you've practiced for hours and hours. It's just one more PT along the way.

Now, go get some rest, and good luck tomorrow!

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