Hi all,

Hope all of your studying is going well. I finished the curriculum portion of the course about two weeks ago, and have taken six practice tests since then. While my first four showed a general progression toward a score I would be very happy with, the last two tests have been a 9-point and 11-point drop from my best score, which I made only days before. This leads me to a few questions.

If so I guess that eliminates the need to answer the rest of these, but two scores an average of 10 points lower seems strange to me.

I have read that this could be caused by burnout, but I am not feeling burned out and I'm eager to learn from my mistakes (I've had college classes that made me feel burned out and it doesn't feel anything like what I'm feeling right now). So is more rest the answer, or should I work it out through more PT's?

Any advice would be appreciated on here or through PM's.

Thank You

Hi all,

I’ve been registered for the September exam, but due to some life changes, studying has fallen by the wayside. Now that I’m resettled, I need some advice. Obviously I want to do well on the exam: I had an ok diagnostic a few months ago (151), and I have about 20-25 hours a week I can now fully dedicate to studying. Schools I am looking at see an average LSAT score of 155-160.

Is this enough time between now and September to get any kind of improvement?

Should I sit both September and November, or just cut my losses and change to November?

I want to apply as early as possible in order to maximize the aid and scholarships I get, which makes me want to take the September exam, but I worry about a low score. I’m very torn on what to do here.

Thanks in advance for your advice!

Hey everyone... how did everyone stay sane waiting for scores to come out ? And what about the aftermath ? Would love to hear your feedback

Wow, my plate is full. I am working 20 hours a week (Leaving full time for school next week) (Mon-Fri), President of my fraternity, getting married in January, taking 15 credits this semester for my Finance degree (I am a senior), oh, and I need to study for the LSAT as well. I took the test with minor prep in June and got a 151. I need a 157 for a full ride at the two schools I am looking at. My employer refuses to let me study at work, therefore all my school prep occupies weeknights. How am I supposed to find the time and dedication to the LSAT!? I am scheduled to take the test in Sep, but think I am going to change to November. My question is, is quitting my job a crazy decision? I have been here three years. I can only work up until May anyways due to me being a student in this student position (pays well, I work for DOJ). I have to make a tough cut, and this seems as the only option. Is it worth it? I will get a full ride if I get to the 156-157 range.

I don't feel so good about my diversity statement though I did make an effort. Everywhere i'm reading I see it's encouraged to write a diversity statement, especially for me since I'm of a different culture. I guess my question is can you still get in with just a personal statement or do most people make the effort to add to their application package even if it's not such a great diversity statement

When do you find the best time to study? Due to the early time of the September test, I am considering beginning to wake up around 5am to study rather than doing it when I get home from work (around 7pm). I find that at night I'm often pretty tired which affects my performance. Has anyone had good experience with this?

I've noticed the past few days it's impossible for me to sleep early. I can shower and throw myself into bed at 9pm but I just can't fall asleep. It's really frustrating to experience the whole "my eyes are shut but I'm still awake and I know I'm still awake because I can hear myself think" situation. I put my phone away and stay away from my computer before going to bed but still nothing! I know it's definitely the anxiety of the exam being a month away and I'm just wondering if anyone has tips on overcoming this?

I don't like melatonin because the times I've used it, I find myself groggy in the mornings and my brain just can't connect anything. It's becoming an issue because I'm trying to get myself into the habit of being up early and studying. I took a PT today and I found it hard to focus and my mind was just really foggy. Idk how to explain it but I just felt weird? Lol, as I'm BRing I'm looking at the questions and I'm telling myself "ok how did you not read that word... how did you not understand this? This is something you wouldn't miss if you were more alert".

Oh also, I was coping with jet lag last week. I was in Thailand and when I came back I was falling asleep at 6pm and waking up at 4am LOL. It was great but then I had one night where I stayed up until 11pm and that threw everything off. I'm not trying to get to this extreme but after I broke the 6pm mark I was sleeping at 9pm and waking up at 6am. This is what I'm trying to aim for but like I said, it's just become difficult to sleep at all.

I'd appreciate any suggestions! I'm trying to refrain from taking anything to force myself to sleep such as Advil Pm etc.. I really want to keep it natural. I've heard suggestions of drinking chamomile tea, has that worked for any of you? Thanks in advance :)

Hello all,

I have been struggling the longest with discipling myself enough to have a stable schedule and now I am starting to find some consistency in my study schedule. Unfortunately, I do not know how often I should take prep test or if I should wait to take them until I have reach the end of all the lessons on the syllabus. I have completed my first prep test and I am currently finishing my blind review method. However, I do not want to do another prep test until I know which approach would be more effective in improving my score.

If you have a few minutes left at the end of the section, what do you like to do?

Hello All,

I'm fairly new at this but I've noticed I'm taking 2x as long to complete the the course sections than what is listed. For example, I just finished for the night before getting to the Main Point Problem Sets and I spent about 3 hours just to get there when the whole thing is listed as 3 hours. I'm worried this is going to take me longer than expected each week broken down which is difficult for the weeks averaging over 12 hours a week on my study schedule.

Hi 7Sagers,

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Should I be aiming to go to the highest law school in hopes of making more money in my career? Will my chances be better for big law because the law school ranking is higher? Are there even lawyers making 6 figures anymore if they just go to lower ranked schools such as IU Bloomington or Hastings? If so, how? Can you realistically make 6 figures by going into lower schools?

Hi guys,

I am registered for both the September and November LSAT and it looks like I will have just finished the lesson curriculum (not PTs) by the September test. This is with an average of 30 hrs of studying per week. At this point I am considering the September LSAT further practice and hope to be able to set realistic goals after it to shape the following two months of study. As I have continued through the curriculum, I have found some of the practice sets and lessons easier than expected. Does anyone recommend skipping through those lessons a bit rather than completing them in whole for the sake of time? I will have 5 PTs done by September if I stick to my schedule. I just don't know if I am spending my time wisely by answering all of the practice sets and watching every strengthening question video. I am wondering if I should just get the gist of question types, do more practice tests, and move on. Thanks for the help!

Good Morning Everyone,

I plan on studying for the LSAT again from September 4th through either January or March. ( I don't know which exam I will be taking) Anyways, I wanted to know what 7sage course should I take? Should I take the LSAT Starter, LSAT Premium, LSAT Ultimate or the LSAT Ultimate+ ?

My highest LSAT score is a 141 and my target score is a 150. I would prefer to score higher. I will be working part-time (20-30) hours every week but the LSAT is not new to me.

Thank you.

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Hello everyone,

I would like to take the LSAT next year March so I wanted to know if 6.5 months will be enough time for me to study with the Ultimate+ ?

I want to start studying from September 4th to March 30th. I do work however, I can work part-time.

I have years of LSAT learning (2013) but for some reason, I can’t score above 141.

Please help me!!!!!

Thank you all.

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Hi everyone!

I know this is not a new topic, but please indulge me nonetheless. I've had back to back Prep Tests with a misbubbled answer choice...not the way you want to lose points. I've tried to sub-vocalize as I write down answers, but I guess it isn't working. Any thoughts as how to minimize bubbling errors? To clarify, I currently bubble two pages at a time (each page is marked on the answer sheet in separate glances at the test book).

Thanks in advance!

Hi 7sagers, my name is Eliza and I am struggling with my morale and confidence with the LSATS. I need your advice/encouragement from all you long term studiers/full time jobers/low gpa-ers/need scholarship-ers who might have been/currently in the same boat as me.

I've been studying since the beginning of Feb 2018 while working a full time job and signed up for the September 2018 test. I used Kaplan for the material (only because I got a $1200 need based scholarship from my university). The best I've ever gotten was a 158, BR: 170. It's been 7 months and though my score has improved from a diagnostic of 144, it is still no where near the score I need. I am starting to lose fire and confidence in my ability to even reach upper 160s.

Please share practical tips on:

Please read the "lil background about me" section for the context of these questions:

Lil background about me:

I graduated with my Electrical Engineering bachelors in May 2017. I decided I wanted to go into IP law with my stem background after learning about this field my junior year (+other personal reasons). However, after 4 difficult years of intense courseloads at a top engineering school while working two part time jobs including every summer (my family is broke and can't pay for my education), my UGPA is awful. It's a 3.2 (we use the plus and minus system with an A+ and a regular A that counts as 4.0 with an A- that counts as a 3.8). Even if I had known I wanted to go to law school and knew before going into college how important my GPA is, I don't even think I would've been able to do anything differently regarding my grades (ie. withdraw from classes/retake low grade classes using freshman forgiveness) due to the fact that I didn't have the financial means for that type of freedom.

I gave myself two years after graduation to get into law school because I don't want to prolong it and potentially have life get in the way. I figured a year of studying for LSATs should be sufficient. I didn't realize that schools give better scholarship opportunities/highly suggest applying early in Sept-Nov so that is one reason why I am trying to take the September test rather than a later test... but at the same time... I also need a high LSAT score to even be considered for a scholarship. I also want to take it sooner rather than later because I feel that I am starting to get tunnel vision in the way I am studying and losing steam. I know most people will say that I shouldn't even sign up for a test until I have an average score of my target. But I'm wondering if it would even make a difference if I did take it later. Would I really do that much better? I also barely have a social life or time for much anything else-- as all my time is filled with work then study. My mental wellness is at a major low point and is affecting my anxiety and ability to think clearly.

Thank you so much if you have read this novel of a post. (3(/p)

Goal school: George Washington University for their IP program, Dream: Georgetown University

#advice #anxiety #engineer #lowGPA #morale #help #sadness #GWU #fulltimejob #successstory

So I'm currently having a bit of an issue with my timing when it comes to logic reasoning and reading comp. I understand the concepts and question types in LR but I catch myself spending too much time on questions 11-20 and killing away the majority of my time. Reading Comp is just me rereading sentences/paragraphs because I don't really comprehend the information, so I know thats whats killing me time-wise.

Any recommendations I can supplement into my practices. I am taking the September exam so literally anything would be extremely helpful!!!

Senior in college, 4.0 GPA in a finance major, and just burnt out. Was PT'ing 156-157 before June LSAT and received a 150. Taking the test again in September, but am really not sure this material is working. Makes sense, but does not translate to PT, as I feel I have gotten worse. Honestly just need a 153, but would like a 157 (What I need for full-ride at school I desire). Advice? Stuck and frustrated.

I am looking for a study partner to discuss some areas that we need help on. For me, I am struggling with assumptions SA, NA, PSA. I would love if anyone is able to help me on this area!

First off, I appreciate any advise and help that you guys are able to provide. I am very stressed at this point because my main goal was to get into the Top 14 law schools. I just graduated with Bachelors this May at the age of 19 with a 3.66 GPA in Criminal Justice and Psychology. I am worried that my GPA isn't good enough for law school, but hopefully with a great LSAT score and a unique personal statement sharing my experiences and graduating so early, I might be able to still get in. Only problem is, I am still scoring around 152-155. I am especially struggling with SA and NA for logical reasoning. I did do some games, but I never got time to foolproof every single game, so I am worried. I have just done the games in the CC and the games on PT as well. I feel like there are people who have foolproofed over 100 games for so long! I am no where close to that. My first test score before the CC was 144. Then, on the other two tests I took after that, I got 150-155. I feel like I should be aiming for the 170, but can I even get that by September? Is that too unrealistic? I am worried about taking the test in November and applying later on because of my GPA. I really want to go to the Top 14 though, so I don't know if I should just sit this cycle out, practice until June 2019, then go to Law School 2020. I just don't want it that I wait out another year and end up looking bad on applications that "hey what did you even do for two years after graduation?" Plus, I don't know if I should just go to a lower ranking school, but I don't want to. I was really set on the Top 14 and I am looking for any advice. I know that some schools including Columbia, Washington-St Louis, GeorgeTown, and others are accepting the GRE. Should I just take the GRE instead of LSAT and see what happens? I am just so overwhelmed right now.

I was wondering how others have taken this course or the best way to go about it. Does it make sense to just do the entire syllabus in order and then PT's?

Hello all,

Just curious about something. When you record yourself, do you keep the video footage after? I record everything in excel spreadsheets for all sections so I'm wondering if it's worth keeping the files since footage of one PT is around 20 gigs. I'm aware I could move it to external harddrive but do people actually rewatch old footage?

Thanks in advance!

I saw that the new trainer has a study guide that is catered to the most recent preptests. I have the 2015 version of the book and would like to know if there are any updates or changes to the current edition.