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Hey everyone!

I'm writing the feb LSAT and I was wondering if anyone has any specific methods that really helped them improve with speed and accuracy for the LSAT? I can usually finish all the questions and only get 1-3 Q's incorrect by the time 35 minutes is up when I'm PT-ing but on test day I have trouble finishing the sections on time due to nerves. I usually will not have time to go back to the couple questions that I had skipped and that substantially lowers my score over the 4 sections. My understanding of the LSAT is pretty good, I just need ways to improve my speed and accuracy. During test day I tend to second guess myself. Are there any methods that worked for you? Drills etc?

Thank you so much :)

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Hi all - this convo came up in another post and @TheMikey kindly posted the link to an article and kindly gave me his thoughts on it. I wanted to share it with the larger group because I am still mystified by what the article said. I am also interested to know if anyone has worked with Mike Spivey and if he is the real deal. I just want to know if the info in his article is credible.

http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/late/

I always thought that if I took the June LSAT that I automatically lost the opportunity to apply for Fall 2018 and that I had to apply in the next cycle. I didn't think that I could get into any schools since most deadlines would have passed and presumably there are no spots left to offer. Welll, here comes Mike Spivey to completely confuse my understanding. According to him, if we have a number that a school wants (I would think 170 or higher) that "you can probably apply a heck of a lot later than you know or you have been lead to believe. In admissions we see it happen exactly this way hundreds of times every year." What??!! Really??

I never even thought it was possible to apply after the June test for the same cycle (so June 2018 for Fall 2018)! So, I work my butt off, take the June LSAT, score a 170+, apply and I may still have a chance?! I feel like this is almost the best news ever but I don't want to hang my hat on it. Would love to hear everyone's thoughts, specially any former Sagers who actually did this and got in.

Thanks!

I am currently studying for the February LSAT and feeling fairly confident about it, but I am planning to retake in June if I don't get a score I am happy with. I want to make sure I'm using the Preptests as wisely as possible. I was planning on using all of PT 52-81 between now and February, but I've realized that will leave me with only much older PTs (that I haven't seen before) to study from if I retake in June.

Should I reserve some of the newer PTs in case I end up retaking the test, or is it best to put everything into February and use all of them? Are the older PTs really that different from the recent ones?

Any and all input appreciated :)

What's your pre-7Sage story?

Hi everyone,

New here so nice meeting you all. I'd like some advice on my next course of action given my situation.

I've written the LSAT twice and scored a 154 both times, once in September 2017 and once in December 2017. I've used a mix of self-studying, various books, and tutors, and my practice tests usually average around 156.

I'm signed up for February 2018 but I realize I have a lot of work to do, and there are just 35 days until the test.

I would love to focus on the June 2018 test instead, or even September 2018, because I find that despite what some others think, this test will take quite a long time and a lot of patience and practice to truly master. However, February is the last administration for this admission cycle of the schools I applied to.

I don't feel comfortable waiting another admission cycle because of the pressure at home and socially overall to be employed and have my career on track already. My family and friends are surprised it's taking so long to do well on a single test, and I sense that they don't think it's for me.

I honestly think I can do it if I have enough time and support, but I'm not sure those will be available after February.

Any tips will be appreciated!

Hello!

I took the December LSAT after trying to self study with The LSAT Trainer while in season playing volleyball for my university. I was only able to take three practice tests and was scoring in the mid 150s. When I got my score back I was extremely disappointed to see that I only made a 146. I'm already registered to take the February test. I know I need to do something different to study which is why I just signed up for 7Sage. My question is that in the 5 weeks I have to prepare again for the LSAT will 7Sage be able to help me make a 4 to 8 point jump?

Greetings from Delaware. Yes, the state. Since nobody decided to review the U of D, I figured I'd tell you. Beyond it being a building with rooms and professional staff, there are some quirks about the environment. This is a laundry list of stuff, and is subject to change. I took the December 2017 test, so now you have a reference point.

First off, they do it in Alison Hall. The rooms can contain about 30 test takers at any time. Don't worry, I doubt you'll be in a room with more than 15 people. This is Delaware: the state. There's not a lot of Demand for our only law school.

Second, the desks are small. Your desk space will contain a bit more than the size of your LSAT book when opened. It's best if you store your pencils and erasers under your book. Also, the desks have wheels, and the wheels don't lock. If you're a leg figitter, you're going to have some sweet travels in the room. The good news is that there are desks for left-handed people. The bad news is there's only one or two per room. Pro tip - if you're left handed, try to enter the room last. This is what I did, and they gave me two right handed desks to use. I got a bit more space than the others, which let me spread out like the !@#$ lord I am.

Third, the clocks. Every room has a clock in it, but do not bank on using it. The clocks are normally in the corners, and very hard to see. If you need a clock to reference, bring an analog watch.

Fourth, parking. You'll be using the parking garage about a five minute walk from Alison Hall. It's on the same street (Academy) as Alison Hall, so you're good. The cost is five dollars for all day parking. I suggest you pay the five dollars because UD cops literally have nothing better to do than write tickets and impound cars.

Fifth, the bell. For those of you who have never been to UD, there's this baller bell toll every hour (time marches on... !@#$ I'm old...). It's faint, but noticeable.

Pretty much all I got. Hope this helps.

Hey, so I took the December test and had applied to 2 schools before the test. Since then, I have dramatically changed 1 paragraph in my PS, the rest is the same. 1 school has been reviewing my app, even without the dec. score while the other waited for my score.

Should I bother emailing them the updated version? The old paragraph was good, I just wanted to change it up a bit. The rest of the schools I applied to have this updated one. I know sending in a new LOR or an updated resume to show new employment is fine, but what about a PS?

Thanks!

Hey everyone,

So I applied to some schools already using my September 2017 score, but my December 2017 score was better. I want to send these schools I already applied to my December score.

I e-mailed an admissions office of a school I already applied to, and they replied by saying:

Thank you for your email and continued interest in [Insert School Name] Law. If you would like to submit another LSAT score, please send it to us through LSAC and we can add it on to your file for review. Please let me know if you have any other questions regarding your application.

"

I don't know how to submit a new score through the LSAC website - can anyone help?

Thanks,

Paul

After a few months of studying (blowing 50s and 60s tests last summer just PTing and reading PowerScore books), I scored my PT average in December: 160 (highest PT 164). My weak section was Logic Games - a big disappointment after having made serious LG gains in my last study month before the test. (In my defense, LG came as my very last section. Fatigue may have killed it - I hadn't been doing 5-section PTs and my experimental was LR)

So clearly, as I recommence studying for June, my focus is going to be Logic Games. I have 9 fresh tests left and am going to reorder the book of 62-71tests I did last summer. I'm thinking 5 months might be enough to have forgotten most of those tests. As much as possible, I'm going to photocopy and redo games again and again.

Plan:

Jan, Feb: 7Sage CC, Games, and reading

Mar, Apr, May: PT every two weeks. Daily drill with a favor for LG.

Bottom line, for anyone and especially those of us who are cheap: my advice would be to try to foolproof Logic Games ASAP. One game is a 3-4 point difference in a final score.

Hi! Hope everyone is enjoying the rest of 2017!

So I got my December score back (155). I was aiming for a 160, but since I was PTing around 155-157, I'm not shocked at my score. I've decided to postpone a cycle and retest in June! While my PT scores were kinda low, I was BRing in the mid to upper 160s, which makes me think that come June, I'll be able to hit my new goal of 165. I might adjust this if I see substantial progress over the next few months.

Some background: I started self-studying in June for the September LSAT and bombed it. Looking back, I wasn't dedicating enough time. I was only studying part-time since I had (and still have) a full-time job. Thankfully I found 7Sage shortly after. I got the Starter pack in September and finished the CC. I have the Powerscore bibles for LR and LG and have gone through most of them. I also have the Trainer, but I didn't get a chance to go through it before December. I've done PTs 58-72 (I didn't account for having to extend my prep) and a couple of the older tests.

My question is how should I move forward with my prep? I'm willing to spend some of that Christmas $$$ on Ultimate+ because I definitely need that LG Bundle. When I buy Ultimate+, should I go through the entire CC again? Or just focus on my weak spots? I plan on supplementing with the Trainer this time. Also, would dedicating January to fool-proofing the LG Bundle be a good idea? I've never focused an entire month on one section before. Overall, I want to spend my time wisely since my account would expire at the end of April.

Thanks in advance! I swear this community has kept me relativity sane through all this stress!

Completely unrelated: I received a fee waiver from WUSTL earlier this week via email...which is super weird because 155 is wayyy below their 25% and my GPA is a few tenths short of their median GPA. lol I have good softs but not that good. Are they looking to up their application numbers or something?

Hey! So it has been a while since I've posted a motivation post for everyone. I've been caught up in getting my applications ready to submit (I think this part might be harder than the LSAT!)

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f2/c9/2b/f2c92bb28de145de3f4157fbb1a44cb3--skinny-quotes-infinity-quotes.jpg

Don't settle! You know what you are capable of and where you want to be, so don't stop until you get there. The LSAT has this strange ability to make it feel like you are just spinning your wheels in the mud. It feels like you are stuck at a plateau and that no matter how much work you put in you just can't improve. In fact, I would say the LSAT excels at making people feel like this.

Guess what, you are improving. Even if that score doesn't budge for a month, you are still honing your skills and improving on the test. Understanding is only half the battle on the LSAT, speed and accuracy is the rest. I learned the hard way that using your score as a metric to judge your progress will only lead to unbridled frustration. Don't do that! Instead of focusing on the macro of your score, focus on the micro of beating a difficult problem. Get yourself excited when you spot one of the LSAT's tricks, laugh at the test when you see it trying to beat you. Slowly over time these mini successes will accumulate, and that is when you will notice you are beginning to improve on speed and accuracy. You'll notice yourself finishing sections on time or even early. You'll have the new tool of having an extra couple of minutes to review the harder questions. You'll start seeing your score climb. It will be consistent.

You'll look back at all those moments you felt like you were not improving and realize that those were the moments you were improving the most. Those were the moments you were gaining an understanding of the test you did not have before. Those were the moments where you could of given up, but you didn't. You'll look back with a score you are proud of.

So don't settle. You are fully capable of beating the LSAT. I'd like to think that the LSATcantwin! :)

-Glen

Hi all - Kind of embarrassing to post this but I need advice on how to reply to a rejected request for LOR...

So I've asked on of my professors to write me LOR. I was in two classes with this professor and honestly felt like I had a personal connection to her, so I was really shocked by her rejection. Her response was "I am going to decline your request. I remember you well from the Seminar, and enjoyed having you in class. I could write a generally positive letter, but not a really strong one. I think it’s probably best to ask a different professor. I do wish you well."

Ok first of all, ouch.

Anyways, do you think it's worth it to try to persuade her otherwise or take her offer for a "generally positive letter"? Or is it worth it to ask specifically why she felt like she couldn't write me a strong one? Should I just politely thank her and move on? I have no idea how to deal with this, any advice?

The other thing is that she was my top choice professor (I REALLY didn't think she'd say no). I could follow her advice to ask others but I was not personally invested in their classes... and I'm worried that if she said no then they will too. My other options are strong personal LOR from a lawyer that I volunteer with/practice public speaking with or a professional one from my project manager.

Hi friends,

I just wanted to say a huge thank you to everyone behind the scenes at 7Sage, and everyone who is part of this incredibly supportive community. I started out at 150, and ended up with a 166, a 16 point increase. While not my dream score, it's been enough to be getting me into my dream schools: so far Michigan, Berkeley, and Georgetown.

I know I couldn't have had the motivation to keep studying through the difficult moments without you all. And 7Sage taught me to begin thinking like a lawyer--I honestly feel like what I've learned here is not only applicable to the LSAT, but will help me throughout my time at law school.

A huge thank you. And to all those still studying, keep on keepin' on. You CAN do it.

With gratitude,

Elisa

I am currently in my sophomore year of college, and I'm wanting to go to law school right after completing my undergrad. My score on the diagnostic was in the 160s, and my ideal score is in the 170s. Which academic year should I take my first LSAT test in so that I would still have time to take a second test if necessary?

Thanks!

Amy

Guys, I've taken the lsat 3x and my highest was 167. I'm applying early decision as a URM to UPenn or Cornell and Georgetown as the I'll receive decision before the ED deadline. I'm in a tough spot because my gpa is 3.0 calculated by the LSAC. I was a double major i and worked full time as well to pay tuition all four years. There is an upward trend in my gpa with multiple dean's list awards. I am almost 3 years out of college and worked full time for Goldman Sachs with assets under management in excess of 300MM. Personally, I've worked on promissory note drafts, operating agreements, and creditor's rights with judgments over 6 MM.

You think I honestly have a shot at t-20 w/ my experience or the holistic approach is bs and it comes down to numbers?

I completed the Starter course and took the Dec. exam, but scored below my goal score. I got a 160 (was PT-ing between 162-164) and my target score is 168-170. I'm registered for the Feb. exam and don't know if I should extend the Starter course and do a lot of PTs these next few weeks/ review lessons for February OR if I should hold off for June and upgrade to the premium or ultimate and study for longer. I'm afraid I'll lose momentum from the Dec. exam. Appreciate any advice, thank you!!

Hi all -

Need to get some thoughts on whether I should apply this cycle. Scored a 162, although I was PTing higher. I had to rush the study to make it this cycle since I had extended my Fulbright year to finish up some research. I have a 3.82 GPA and would prefer schools in the T-14 although I know my score is low for that. I'm thinking I might still have a chance because of some of my softs & I am working a consulting firm at the moment.

Should I retake & sit out this cycle or at least try applying? Might just pick a select group of schools. Was even thinking going ED for UPenn.

Any thoughts would be appreciated!

Hey guys,

For those of you who video tape your PTs, can you describe your method? I want to record myself PTing – like the videos of JY's live commentary. Do you all use your phone or a tripod or headstrap...?? lol Cant seem to find a good way to do it..

Thanks!

Hey everyone,

I'm very confused about what the length of a diversity statement should be. I hear everyone touting "no more than 1-page," but then when I read examples of "Great Diversity Statements," including ones provided by 7Sage, they're 1.5 or 2 pages.

Mine has come out to be 1.5 pages, and I feel like further cuts could harm the impactfulness of the essay.

Advice?

I have no official vaca days and I am too scared to risk it with a last minute sick day. I can’t do a drs note either since the test will last till about late afternoon and if its anything like my last one I will be an exhausted crying mess. What is a good excuse? I simply won’t get paid time which is fine, I just don’t want to get canned!

Doing so will help crowd source really important data that will help future law school applicants realistically find the schools that best fit their needs and abilities. :)

http://lawschoolnumbers.com

It doesn't take a whole lot of time.

You can check out my profile here! http://lawschoolnumbers.com/PublicInterested

Hi guys. I just have a quick question regarding formulating a new study schedule. My last two takes (September and December 2017) didn't go so well due to circumstantial issues as I cancelled both times, and I'm planning to take this cycle off. That said, I'm looking for any suggestions regarding an updated study schedule.

Quick facts about my history:

By Section:

LG: I have already fool-proofed LG 1-35. (I'm thinking of fool-proofing "new" games from 36-50.) Average about -1/-2.

RC: Needs a lot of work -- not sure how to build in regimented schedule for working on RC. Would timed sections work? Should I work by passage type? I think I have easier passages down, so should I focus on 4 star/5 star passages?

LR: Pretty solid, but still needs work on getting the last few curve-breakers. I average about -8 total (-3/-4 per section).

Lastly, I still struggle with timing in LR and RC -- I don't run out per se, but just really stretch to finish. Any tips?

I would appreciate any insight, thank you!